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Posted: 1/1/2020 2:17:47 AM EST
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Crazy how fast this thread went from rumor to confirmed. Well done Ruger! It takes a lot for me to get excited about a handgun. And this does it. Always wanted a 5.7 but could never justify dropping $1000+ on the FN. Can’t wait to see more in the wild. Plus, the Gold Dot offering has me interested and wondering what other new ammo we might see come available. I’m actually kind of curious how the 39gr DRT round would perform. Seen videos of them taking white tail with it. They’re barrier blind, while having a velocity threshold on performance that’s crazy low (like 1400-ish FPS IIRC). 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 2:21:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why, I haven't seen this kind of buzz since...the R51 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 3:08:20 AM EST
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Hey Ruger can you make a version without the "un-safety" lever? Manual safeties are just silly on pistols. Drop safeties, trigger safeties and even grip safeties are ok. 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 3:36:48 AM EST
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I have an FN 5.7. I have an AR57. I think I might need one of these when they drop under $500.
I'm glad to see 5.7 ammo trending down though. I enjoy shooting my "5.7's." |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 4:51:48 AM EST
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Hey Ruger can you make a version without the "un-safety" lever? Manual safeties are just silly on pistols. Drop safeties, trigger safeties and even grip safeties are ok. The “I-hate-manual-safeties” boogaloo was back on page 2 or 3. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:21:30 AM EST
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Hey Ruger can you make a version without the "un-safety" lever? Manual safeties are just silly on pistols. Drop safeties, trigger safeties and even grip safeties are ok. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:22:15 AM EST
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Why, I haven't seen this kind of buzz since...the R51 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Crazy how fast this thread went from rumor to confirmed. Well done Ruger! It takes a lot for me to get excited about a handgun. And this does it. Always wanted a 5.7 but could never justify dropping $1000+ on the FN. Can’t wait to see more in the wild. Plus, the Gold Dot offering has me interested and wondering what other new ammo we might see come available. I’m actually kind of curious how the 39gr DRT round would perform. Seen videos of them taking white tail with it. They’re barrier blind, while having a velocity threshold on performance that’s crazy low (like 1400-ish FPS IIRC). |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:31:50 AM EST
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:17:52 AM EST
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MSRP of $799. Which means street price is going to be far lower. My SBT PS90 needs a companion piece.
Damn you Ruger. Now I want that and a PC-40 Carbine! |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:22:09 AM EST
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MSRP of $799. Which means street price is going to be far lower. My SBT PS90 needs a companion piece. Damn you Ruger. Now I want that and a PC-40 Carbine! |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:38:08 AM EST
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Couple pages back showed a retailer listing them $560, out of stock though Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MSRP of $799. Which means street price is going to be far lower. My SBT PS90 needs a companion piece. Damn you Ruger. Now I want that and a PC-40 Carbine! |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:40:52 AM EST
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I hope more ammo manufacturers get in the game cause if ruger is throwing around a $500 57 pistol we going to see an ammo drought
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:50:11 AM EST
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Just realized this frame and magazine are long enough to handle .30 Carbine, even if the action isn't strong enough. Probably not a big market for that, however. 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:03:25 AM EST
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This is going to kill the kel Tec pmr 30........ now if ruger would make an mp7ish carbine or pistol to go with it
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:09:20 AM EST
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I hope more ammo manufacturers get in the game cause if ruger is throwing around a $500 57 pistol we going to see an ammo drought |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:12:31 AM EST
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This is going to kill the kel Tec pmr 30........ now if ruger would make an mp7ish carbine or pistol to go with it |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:48:28 AM EST
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If this is true,
1- I want one 2- 5.7 ammo will be hard to find 3-the price of the five seven will drop |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:04:19 AM EST
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Most of my local shops have pretty sizable stacks of 5.7, plus a surprising number of P90 mags. Either way, if there is cool stuff to learn about the round, we'll be learning more of it with more people shooting it. I'm sorta interested in 1" diameter 5.7 rated .22 cans on stuff like this, since they don't obscure regular sights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yep I think this gun is going to help save the 5.7 x 28 ammo. It's going to make it more normal and not so hard to get a hold of. Either way, if there is cool stuff to learn about the round, we'll be learning more of it with more people shooting it. I'm sorta interested in 1" diameter 5.7 rated .22 cans on stuff like this, since they don't obscure regular sights. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:06:57 AM EST
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Hey Ruger can you make a version without the "un-safety" lever? Manual safeties are just silly on pistols. Drop safeties, trigger safeties and even grip safeties are ok. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:08:47 AM EST
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That's OK, it will probably handle 7.65x20mm French Longue with spitzer bullets. Probably not a big market for that, however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just realized this frame and magazine are long enough to handle .30 Carbine, even if the action isn't strong enough. Probably not a big market for that, however. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:09:42 AM EST
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Ammo drought starts now. Gonna get worse before it gets better. Mark it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope more ammo manufacturers get in the game cause if ruger is throwing around a $500 57 pistol we going to see an ammo drought Depending on how the election goes, a long while |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:12:10 AM EST
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Someone hurry up and make an SBR/brace kit that attaches to the pic rail and uses MPX stocks/braces.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:14:19 AM EST
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I doubt I will have one of these if the street price is much over $500.
That's more than I want to pay for another range toy. I thought it might be something I would grab when this thread first started due to the price, but I don't have a real use for it. If that is the case I'll just save my ammo for the PS90. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:17:43 AM EST
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Hey Ruger can you make a version without the "un-safety" lever? Manual safeties are just silly on pistols. Drop safeties, trigger safeties and even grip safeties are ok. Are you going to CCW this huge pistol........... Get over it! Complaining about safeties is getting so damn OLD. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:19:09 AM EST
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This seems to be one of the most well received new firearm discussions in existence on AR15.com. Normall they usually just cover the same words “but muh glock...”
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Posted: 1/1/2020 10:29:04 AM EST
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This seems to be one of the most well received new firearm discussions in existence on AR15.com. Normall they usually just cover the same words “but muh glock...” 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 10:38:14 AM EST
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Ruger is winning. They’ve now sold me 2 firearms in the past week, guns I didn’t even know I wanted The 57 is another deal. Yes it seems to be well received by the masses. Will this turn into actual sales? Just like the micro 45s that some companies make. People say they're cool and interesting but nobody really buys them. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:14:05 AM EST
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I hope more ammo manufacturers get in the game cause if ruger is throwing around a $500 57 pistol we going to see an ammo drought I still have about 3500 left. Glad I bought cheap but I wish I had stacked deeper. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:39:25 AM EST
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That's OK, it will probably handle 7.65x20mm French Longue with spitzer bullets. Probably not a big market for that, however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just realized this frame and magazine are long enough to handle .30 Carbine, even if the action isn't strong enough. Probably not a big market for that, however.
Quoted: Are you going to CCW this huge pistol........... |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:44:35 AM EST
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 - 5.7x28 hand gun
- Reasonably priced!!!
- Pick rial
- Drilled for red dot
- The red dot plates are reasonably priced
- 20 round mags
- It actually got released!!!!!!Its only missing... [ ] - threaded barrel [ ] - FDE version... lol [ ] - some form of PCC or larger braced pistol (8 to 10 inch barrel) that uses the same mags |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:49:50 AM EST
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I will also mention that a pistol-grip fed braced PCC (a form factor like a B&T TP9 or a Kel-Tek CMR-30 or even MP7) would be a dream gun. Mag-forward designs like the AR15-based CMMG are great in most respects, but really suck when it comes to length and weight over a mag-in-grip design.
If Ruger makes a decent MP-7 (or CMR-30/TP9/etc.) shape gun that takes their 57 pistol mags, they might actually be able to get military/LEO contracts again. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:53:01 AM EST
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[ ] - available 30 round mags [ ] - some form of PCC or larger braced pistol (8 to 10 inch barrel) that uses the same mags Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- 5.7x28 hand gun
- Reasonably priced!!!
- Pick rial
- Drilled for red dot
- The red dot plates are reasonably priced
- 20 round mags
- It actually got released!!!!!!Its only missing... [ ] - threaded barrel [ ] - FDE version... lol [ ] - some form of PCC or larger braced pistol (8 to 10 inch barrel) that uses the same mags |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 11:53:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The .22 LCP makes sense and is somewhat of a logical progression of the LCP design. A no-brainer it would seem. The 57 is another deal. Yes it seems to be well received by the masses. Will this turn into actual sales? Just like the micro 45s that some companies make. People say they're cool and interesting but nobody really buys them. The original lcp is my edc piece. Been wanting a 5.7 chambered pistol. The quality versus the price quotient wasn't there for the fn. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 12:24:58 PM EST
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I am a bit shocked that Ruger didn't come right out with 30 round mags. I would expect them to be an easy option. Perhaps they will release them alongside their 5.7 PCC that takes the same mags (which is almost certainly in the works). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- 5.7x28 hand gun
- Reasonably priced!!!
- Pick rial
- Drilled for red dot
- The red dot plates are reasonably priced
- 20 round mags
- It actually got released!!!!!!Its only missing... [ ] - threaded barrel [ ] - FDE version... lol [ ] - some form of PCC or larger braced pistol (8 to 10 inch barrel) that uses the same mags A 5.7 version of the Ruger PCC does seem likely, but there's probably a fair amount of interest in something a little more compact (more MP7ish in size). The downside (for Ruger) would be balancing the interest in a more compact option, against the possibility of new restrictions. The PCC is relatively safe, in terms of bans (and is already selling in other calibers), but something that would fit a more compact option that many of us would be interested in, would already be restricted in some areas and carries the risk of future restrictions. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 12:28:56 PM EST
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Could be that they are waiting to see how sales go, before offering 30 round (or larger?) mags. A 5.7 version of the Ruger PCC does seem likely, but there's probably a fair amount of interest in something a little more compact (more MP7ish in size). The downside (for Ruger) would be balancing the interest in a more compact option, against the possibility of new restrictions. The PCC is relatively safe, in terms of bans (and is already selling in other calibers), but something that would fit a more compact option that many of us would be interested in, would already be restricted in some areas and carries the risk of future restrictions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- 5.7x28 hand gun
- Reasonably priced!!!
- Pick rial
- Drilled for red dot
- The red dot plates are reasonably priced
- 20 round mags
- It actually got released!!!!!!Its only missing... [ ] - threaded barrel [ ] - FDE version... lol [ ] - some form of PCC or larger braced pistol (8 to 10 inch barrel) that uses the same mags A 5.7 version of the Ruger PCC does seem likely, but there's probably a fair amount of interest in something a little more compact (more MP7ish in size). The downside (for Ruger) would be balancing the interest in a more compact option, against the possibility of new restrictions. The PCC is relatively safe, in terms of bans (and is already selling in other calibers), but something that would fit a more compact option that many of us would be interested in, would already be restricted in some areas and carries the risk of future restrictions. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 12:32:22 PM EST
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I'm in wait and see territory. If ruger throws their full support into this- different models, chassis, a pcc - this will be awesome. Other companies will take notice and follow suit if the market bites. 5.7 will become almost mainstream... unlike 22tcm which was launched almost haphazardly. Good move with 1911, but almost no support and RIA doesnt have the same market penetration Ruger has. :(
And if they do a pcc, it had better not weigh as much as an AR. >:( |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 12:49:04 PM EST
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Ruger has already expanded into suppressors |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 12:57:03 PM EST
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A compact or subcompact like Glock 43X or P365 sized gun with 20 rounds? Sign me up.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:04:12 PM EST
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They're out of that market. Lack of sales killed. Too bad I was hoping to see a centerfire line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ruger has already expanded into suppressors 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:06:11 PM EST
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They're out of that market. Lack of sales killed. Too bad I was hoping to see a centerfire line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ruger has already expanded into suppressors But given that they only did .22 cans, they were competing out of their league and they didn't price it lower than more established can makers. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:06:40 PM EST
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Soon as they have a threaded barrel out of the box package I'll buy on sight. That plus Mask HD....yum.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:11:09 PM EST
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A compact or subcompact like Glock 43X or P365 sized gun with 20 rounds? Sign me up. ETA: Factor in the weight of the extra mags needed to pack 20rds for the 9mm guns, and the R-57 weights substantially less. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:24:26 PM EST
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For those of you who are worried about ammunition availability in 5.7x28....
FN Fiocchi (labeled as Federal AE & FN SS197) Elite Ammunition Vanguard Outfitters R&R Weapons Systems Speer Gold Dot Desert Ammo Supply Thor Ammunition (KGI Global) Detroit Ammo Co. ELP - hard to locate and DAMN EXPENSIVE! They have one round with a claimed velocity of over 4,000 fps. Sellier & Bellot (announced, but not yet available) Winchester (no longer in production) |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:28:22 PM EST
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You sure about that? The SR .22 silencer is still in stock everywhere, on their site, and is rated for 5.7 Not unique to Ruger. The suppressor market went bananas with the belief that the HPA was all but a done deal. The one product I hoped to see was an integrally suppressed SR556 takedown barrel. Something that yielded a 16-18" barrel overall that did not require a suppressor and an SBR tax stamp. I thought (and still believe) something like this in 300 BLK would do okay. But the SR556 is gone... |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:44:09 PM EST
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For those of you who are worried about ammunition availability in 5.7x28.... FN Fiocchi (labeled as Federal AE & FN SS197) Elite Ammunition Vanguard Outfitters R&R Weapons Systems Speer Gold Dot Desert Ammo Supply Thor Ammunition (KGI Global) Detroit Ammo Co. ELP - hard to locate and DAMN EXPENSIVE! They have one round with a claimed velocity of over 4,000 fps. Sellier & Bellot (announced, but not yet available) Winchester (no longer in production) ELP is just fantasy ammo some guy jams objects in bullets. IMO they are 10000% talking pieces only. I've never seen a single person shoot them. I did contact S&B about their 5.7 as of 2 yrs ago they dropped the project from focus. The main issue is all brass comes from FN. The Rumors that Speer has nickel brass has me wondering. Is someone else making brass? Or is FN doing Nickel? Does it still have the polymer coating? Or is it misprint? the machines EA used to make brass were for sale at least up to a couple months ago. Their brass still needed refining though. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:45:59 PM EST
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This is going to kill the kel Tec pmr 30........ now if ruger would make an mp7ish carbine or pistol to go with it Now that said, a carbine would explode on the market IMHO. Given the new PCC craze, the timing and market is ripe. I can see it going one of two ways, you offer something between the CMR30 and the MP7, and people will go nuts or you can offer something like is like the Scorpion...and people will go nuts. It just depends on which base you think will net you more sales. My money would be on a MP7-ish clone as you suggested. You can really cash in on those people jonesing for a MP7 if you do it right. A MP7ish clone, in 5.7, with a retractable brace, at a reasonable price like the Scorpion...Ruger would be savvy to do that. Quoted: The .22 LCP makes sense and is somewhat of a logical progression of the LCP design. A no-brainer it would seem. The 57 is another deal. Yes it seems to be well received by the masses. Will this turn into actual sales? Just like the micro 45s that some companies make. People say they're cool and interesting but nobody really buys them. Quoted:
For those of you who are worried about ammunition availability in 5.7x28.... FN Fiocchi (labeled as Federal AE & FN SS197) Elite Ammunition Vanguard Outfitters R&R Weapons Systems Speer Gold Dot Desert Ammo Supply Thor Ammunition (KGI Global) Detroit Ammo Co. ELP - hard to locate and DAMN EXPENSIVE! They have one round with a claimed velocity of over 4,000 fps. Sellier & Bellot (announced, but not yet available) Winchester (no longer in production) |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 1:51:11 PM EST
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@melvin_johnson
Can you put calipers on the barrel and measure OD? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 2:02:21 PM EST
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@melvin_johnson Can you put calipers on the barrel and measure OD? Muzzle is flush with slide and there's not much meat there to counter bore for some type of threaded collar or adapter. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 2:03:51 PM EST
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While I don’t have any interest in this particular pistol, it has renewed my interest in an ultra-compact shoulderable/holsterable PDW. Something like the Flux arm brace system or the B&T USW but chambered in 5.7x28mm. A platform that you can carry in a holster like a pistol, shoot it using a traditional unstabilized pistol grip, and then quickly deploy a brace to shoulder it and stabilize accurate shots out to 100+ yards...Hell all that would really need to happen is for Flux to design one of their arm braces for use on this Ruger-57.
That could be the ultimate middle ground between a CCW handgun and a home defense carbine |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 2:06:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just have to wait six months for the 'Pro' version.. it's like clockwork. |
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