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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:32:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is the front sight sloped? It should be level, yes?? Nothing new:  Attached File
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:35:06 PM EST
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It’s currently shipping! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have not looked through the entire thread. Has this pistol been confirmed as cumming to market? 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:36:44 PM EST
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Awesome, now to get the money together to buy one Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:38:41 PM EST
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Just set aside some bonus money for when it comes in stock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:50:05 PM EST
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no magazine safety |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:56:14 PM EST
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Several listings on gunbroker right now for $700 and up.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:56:58 PM EST
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I wonder if the mag safety can be disabled like the Five-seveN can. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:57:00 PM EST
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bonus money? what is that? gotta look for some overtime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/1/2020 5:58:08 PM EST
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A few YouTube videos that highlight the 5.7x28 capabilities....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teY8vwwXvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C8exaj3Ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrUghF-VA4 22tcm vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:01:17 PM EST
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Just got some SS197 for $19.19 a box locally. I anticipate a run on 5.7 ammo.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:21:19 PM EST
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I always preferred SS197 to SS195, because of worries over the shelf lfe of the lead free primer.
Found a partial box SS195 today that is probably 10 years old. Surprisingly to me, it went bang. 
Now I have some lead free 9mm that is 25 years old, and it started experiencing misfires 20 years ago. 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:24:25 PM EST
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This is going to kill the kel Tec pmr 30........ now if ruger would make an mp7ish carbine or pistol to go with it |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:25:42 PM EST
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This is going to kill the kel Tec pmr 30........ now if ruger would make an mp7ish carbine or pistol to go with it |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:30:36 PM EST
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:43:01 PM EST
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I wonder if the mag safety can be disabled like the Five-seveN can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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no magazine safety |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:45:09 PM EST
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We need to talking to flux defense. If they can release a chassis just like the one they made for the 320, this thing is going to be titty sprinkles. Add some +10 or 15 round extensions that curve like the mp-7 and we are good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/1/2020 6:55:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryUsing some of the WEAKEST 5.7x28 ammo available. As to shooting through Level IIIA armor, Buffman fired T6B 5.7 through THREE Level IIIA panels.
And how well does either of the other two calibers do against 1 1/4” bulletproof glass? I can’t find a test of 7.62 Tok. But there is a test of the .22TCM......IT FAILED! |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:00:36 PM EST
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Looks like the FN57 with my axiom is only 5-6dB louder than a 9mm with 147gr ammo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2hMH10I9M |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:04:36 PM EST
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Cant wait to see some videos of some one runnig a bunch of different types of 5.7x28 through the ruger57. Especially the expensive high velocity stuff
Also like to see how the speer gold dot stuff works in a PS90 sbr & 16" versions. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:22:19 PM EST
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I want to see gel tests on a 32 to 40 grain bonded core bullet out of this Ruger.
If a bonded core round was used the penetration numbers would be better. With a red dot I'd have a blast with this pistol out to 200 yards. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:33:19 PM EST
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Need to see its effects with SS109
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:36:25 PM EST
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Here is the 45 HST vs a pork shoulder
 Is .45ACP Federal HST +P 230gr The Best Self Defense Round? here is ss198lf giving the same penetration depth but larger destruction inside the pork.  Can A 5.7x28mm SS198LF Penetrate A Pork Shoulder? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:37:52 PM EST
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Need to see its effects with SS109 |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 7:37:53 PM EST
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I want to see gel tests on a 32 to 40 grain bonded core bullet out of this Ruger. If a bonded core round was used the penetration numbers would be better. With a red dot I'd have a blast with this pistol out to 200 yards. 46gr @ 1750fps / 312 ftlbs, so a bit hotter then the Speer 40gr @ 1790 / 285 ftlbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0DuCw63XcQ 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:06:49 PM EST
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Won't stablize in a 1:9 5" barrel and it lacks the velocity needed to frag. Same with m855a1, I've tried it. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:24:38 PM EST
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The ideal reloading bullets for 5.7 would be cast Zinc / ZAMAK alloy.
It casts as easy as lead, its dirt cheap, its as hard/harder then copper, but perfectly safe to shoot. Most importantly for 5.7, Zamak / Zinc is very light. 6.6g/cm3 vs 8.96 g/cm3 for copper. A 40gr Copper solid = 29gr ZAMAK 3 = perfect weight for 5.7 What we need is someone to get a pulled SS198 bullet, and use that as the mold design shape. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:29:39 PM EST
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I suspect we will see performance similar to the old 'Elite Protector III' load, which was also a flat nose JHP profile. 46gr @ 1750fps / 312 ftlbs, so a bit hotter then the Speer 40gr @ 1790 / 285 ftlbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0DuCw63XcQ https://i.ibb.co/10xydzY/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-4-30-44-PM.png https://i.ibb.co/KN7sCdM/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-4-32-38-PM.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to see gel tests on a 32 to 40 grain bonded core bullet out of this Ruger. If a bonded core round was used the penetration numbers would be better. With a red dot I'd have a blast with this pistol out to 200 yards. 46gr @ 1750fps / 312 ftlbs, so a bit hotter then the Speer 40gr @ 1790 / 285 ftlbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0DuCw63XcQ https://i.ibb.co/10xydzY/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-4-30-44-PM.png https://i.ibb.co/KN7sCdM/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-4-32-38-PM.png |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:29:41 PM EST
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The ideal reloading bullets for 5.7 would be cast Zinc / ZAMAK alloy. It casts as easy as lead, its dirt cheap, its as hard/harder then copper, but perfectly safe to shoot. Most importantly for 5.7, Zamak / Zinc is very light. 6.6g/cm3 vs 8.96 g/cm3 for copper. A 40gr Copper solid = 29gr ZAMAK 3 = perfect weight for 5.7 What we need is someone to get a pulled SS198 bullet, and use that as the mold design shape. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:32:36 PM EST
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M8851 pills are too hard to find anyway. Considering hardened copper loadings at high speeds do what we need in 5.7, unless we really need more a company could pick up the work of a member here who used nickle rod inserts to make legal AP 9mm 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:34:13 PM EST
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Every +3 dB is twice as loud so +6 dB would be 4x as loud as the 9mm 147gr. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:37:34 PM EST
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Why titanium?
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:45:42 PM EST
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Using some of the WEAKEST 5.7x28 ammo available. As to shooting through Level IIIA armor, Buffman fired T6B 5.7 through THREE Level IIIA panels. And how well does either of the other two calibers do against 1 1/4” bulletproof glass? I can’t find a test of 7.62 Tok. But there is a test of the .22TCM......IT FAILED! Quote HistoryQuoted:
And how well does either of the other two calibers do against 1 1/4” bulletproof glass? I can’t find a test of 7.62 Tok. But there is a test of the .22TCM......IT FAILED! One is a similar to similar comparison of available factory production ammunitions to a long known standard. The other is a demonstration of an exotic expensive boutique custom triplex hand load with a specialty projectile at a cost of $2.00+ per pop and a 60 day delivery wait for delivery. Let us know if those specialty projectiles become available for sale separately or the load data for them is published. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:49:24 PM EST
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Why titanium? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:56:08 PM EST
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I always preferred SS197 to SS195, because of worries over the shelf lfe of the lead free primer. Found a partial box SS195 today that is probably 10 years old. Surprisingly to me, it went bang.
Now I have some lead free 9mm that is 25 years old, and it started experiencing misfires 20 years ago. Besides, the round is pretty hot as-is... it's just good sense to not give it the chance to get too old.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:58:35 PM EST
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Every +3 dB is twice as loud so +6 dB would be 4x as loud as the 9mm 147gr. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like the FN57 with my axiom is only 5-6dB louder than a 9mm with 147gr ammo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2hMH10I9M |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 8:59:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other is a demonstration of an exotic expensive boutique custom triplex hand load with a specialty projectile at a cost of $2.00+ per pop and a 60 day delivery wait for delivery. Photo of powder charge from a round of S4M.... 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:02:00 PM EST
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Wonder why it hasn't been used Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ideal reloading bullets for 5.7 would be cast Zinc / ZAMAK alloy. It casts as easy as lead, its dirt cheap, its as hard/harder then copper, but perfectly safe to shoot. Most importantly for 5.7, Zamak / Zinc is very light. 6.6g/cm3 vs 8.96 g/cm3 for copper. A 40gr Copper solid = 29gr ZAMAK 3 = perfect weight for 5.7 What we need is someone to get a pulled SS198 bullet, and use that as the mold design shape. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:02:57 PM EST
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Wonder why it hasn't been used Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ideal reloading bullets for 5.7 would be cast Zinc / ZAMAK alloy. It casts as easy as lead, its dirt cheap, its as hard/harder then copper, but perfectly safe to shoot. Most importantly for 5.7, Zamak / Zinc is very light. 6.6g/cm3 vs 8.96 g/cm3 for copper. A 40gr Copper solid = 29gr ZAMAK 3 = perfect weight for 5.7 What we need is someone to get a pulled SS198 bullet, and use that as the mold design shape. A hardened 7000-series aluminum core penetrator with copper jacket is a better bet. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:05:02 PM EST
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Jay Wolf DOES NOT use a triplex powder load! Elite uses “non-canister” powder that’s unavailable to handloaders. Photo of powder charge from a round of S4M.... https://i.imgur.com/ARLyC58.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The other is a demonstration of an exotic expensive boutique custom triplex hand load with a specialty projectile at a cost of $2.00+ per pop and a 60 day delivery wait for delivery. Photo of powder charge from a round of S4M.... https://i.imgur.com/ARLyC58.jpg I can't help but wonder if Elite wouldn't make more money selling components rather than ammo. 
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:08:52 PM EST
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I might have already sent them an email asking if they would consider making a braced chassis for this in the future, similar to their MP17 (an MP57). |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:10:53 PM EST
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Why titanium? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:10:59 PM EST
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Zinc begins to melt at 787? which makes casting unsafe. Zinc is harder than lead which makes swageing almost impossible. Zink is less dense than lead. Sectional density of a zinc projectile is lower than a copper jacketed lead core projectile of identical size and shape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ideal reloading bullets for 5.7 would be cast Zinc / ZAMAK alloy. It casts as easy as lead, its dirt cheap, its as hard/harder then copper, but perfectly safe to shoot. Most importantly for 5.7, Zamak / Zinc is very light. 6.6g/cm3 vs 8.96 g/cm3 for copper. A 40gr Copper solid = 29gr ZAMAK 3 = perfect weight for 5.7 What we need is someone to get a pulled SS198 bullet, and use that as the mold design shape. Zinc is the worlds #1 casting material. Nearly every metal zipper in the world is made from Diecast Zinc alloy, as just one example. Z clean made a number of Zinc lead free projectiles: 
And for 5.7, you want low sectional density, the lower the better. The reason being is that we're trying to make a .224 bullet that is 0.815" long (like the factory SS198 projectile) that is 30gr or less. Here is one example of home cast Zinc bullets - in this case, .224 fired from a 5.56: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJ4dP2kfnU |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:14:17 PM EST
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Very hard and LEGAL under BATF regulations to avoid “armor piercing” classification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:19:23 PM EST
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Is tungsten carbide outlawed specifically? A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:29:29 PM EST
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Jay Wolf DOES NOT use a triplex powder load! Elite uses “non-canister” powder that’s unavailable to handloaders. Photo of powder charge from a round of S4M.... https://i.imgur.com/ARLyC58.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The other is a demonstration of an exotic expensive boutique custom triplex hand load with a specialty projectile at a cost of $2.00+ per pop and a 60 day delivery wait for delivery. Photo of powder charge from a round of S4M.... https://i.imgur.com/ARLyC58.jpg Why hasn't Armscor bought it ? Why have Hornady, Remington,Federal, Winchester and the rest bought not bought it ? What powder manufacturer would make it and NOT sell it to big league ammo makers ? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:29:44 PM EST
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I have always been amused by the fact that they outlawed "depleted uranium".
Much simpler to have just said, "uranium". Not that too many people are going to use uranium for handgun bullets.
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:31:32 PM EST
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I have always been amused by the fact that they outlawed "depleted uranium". Much simpler to have just said, "uranium". Not that too many people are going to use uranium for handgun bullets. |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:34:40 PM EST
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While I don’t have any interest in this particular pistol, it has renewed my interest in an ultra-compact shoulderable/holsterable PDW. Something like the Flux arm brace system or the B&T USW but chambered in 5.7x28mm. A platform that you can carry in a holster like a pistol, shoot it using a traditional unstabilized pistol grip, and then quickly deploy a brace to shoulder it and stabilize accurate shots out to 100+ yards...Hell all that would really need to happen is for Flux to design one of their arm braces for use on this Ruger-57. That could be the ultimate middle ground between a CCW handgun and a home defense carbine |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:37:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "non-canister" in this case is a euphemism. If this powder is real and is a bulk powder then why hasn't FN bought a ship load of it ? Why hasn't Armscor bought it ? Why have Hornady, Remington,Federal, Winchester and the rest bought not bought it ? What powder manufacturer would make it and NOT sell it to big league ammo makers ? |
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Posted: 1/1/2020 9:38:27 PM EST
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A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is tungsten carbide outlawed specifically? A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. |
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