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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:22:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I take it that you are not a fan of the 8.6?? lol. Why, because I like oddball guns. Ive got plenty of .308s and a small frame AR in 8.6 to go with my NON Q Silencerco Hybrid could be FUN. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: why? it's a terrible caliber so q can sell more of their shitty cans I take it that you are not a fan of the 8.6?? lol. Why, because I like oddball guns. Ive got plenty of .308s and a small frame AR in 8.6 to go with my NON Q Silencerco Hybrid could be FUN. I didn’t think 8.6 would fit in a small frame gun or do I have my terminology wrong and you’re referring to a small 308 based gun? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:22:45 PM EST
[#2]
Wow, I'm surprised they released a new rifle that's not chambered in 87SucksATFcockForFun
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:32:25 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, the AR 10b used altered m14 mags. RRA had a FAL mag 308 AR and licensed it to Bushmaster, then "got it back" from Bushmaster at some point. I assume the Ruger takes DPMS magazines Along with a CMMG model that took G3 mags. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:32:35 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t think 8.6 would fit in a small frame gun or do I have my terminology wrong and you’re referring to a small 308 based gun? Yea, thats my point. An 8.6 is built on an AR10/.308 sized gun. I think the SFAR in 8.6...closer in weight and size to a 5.56/.300 Blackout AR would be kinda cool. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:36:15 PM EST
[#5]
This is actually a pretty decent package for the price, especially if it’s a G2.
The 4140 barrel is disappointing but won’t matter for the vast majority of users. I’d be interested to see if the barrels are standard DPMS type. If so it would be worth it to get one, go ahead and smoke the barrel and replace with something better. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:43:25 PM EST
[#6]
If I didn't just build an Aero M5 I would definitely be interested in one of these. Heck, I'm still interested to see how they do once they are available.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:44:24 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is actually a pretty decent package for the price, especially if it’s a G2. The 4140 barrel is disappointing but won’t matter for the vast majority of users. I’d be interested to see if the barrels are standard DPMS type. If so it would be worth it to get one, go ahead and smoke the barrel and replace with something better. Are any of the smaller frame guns compatible with standard DPMS barrels? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:45:14 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are any of the smaller frame guns compatible with standard DPMS barrels? Honestly I have no idea. I was hoping someone would chime in. ETA: Just looked it up. That’s a no, but there are some high quality barrels available. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:46:04 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is actually a pretty decent package for the price, especially if it’s a G2. The 4140 barrel is disappointing but won’t matter for the vast majority of users. I’d be interested to see if the barrels are standard DPMS type. If so it would be worth it to get one, go ahead and smoke the barrel and replace with something better. If this can take DPMS barrels and the bolt isn't compromised I can see myself picking one of these up. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:47:03 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is actually a pretty decent package for the price, especially if it’s a G2. The 4140 barrel is disappointing but won’t matter for the vast majority of users. I’d be interested to see if the barrels are standard DPMS type. If so it would be worth it to get one, go ahead and smoke the barrel and replace with something better. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:47:55 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this can take DPMS barrels and the bolt isn't compromised I can see myself picking one of these up. The G2 bolts certainly appear to be solid and I haven’t heard of premature failures… But then again, they’re not super common. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:49:11 PM EST
[#12]
4140. For when you absolutely have to save $0.06 per barrel and are willing to sacrifice real world performance to do it.
4140 has 25% less carbon in it. It is literally the biggest jackass of a corner cutting action a manufacturer can do. They save practically nothing from doing it. It’s an act of complete and total desperation to be as absolutely cheap as possible, and any company choosing it over 4150 is likely in financial dire straits, or just asshole con artists trying to squeeze every penny they can get, literally. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:51:04 PM EST
[#13]
Still waiting for the PC45 carbine that takes 1911 and G21 mags
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:57:14 PM EST
[#14]
Maybe they could make some 336's again.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 1:59:00 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big 'ol chonky barrel because the average Ruger fan will slap on a chinese scope and hammer away with tula 308. Another reminder that Ruger supports the ATF. Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:05:15 PM EST
[#16]
This interests me.
Maybe after Christmas. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:12:53 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I absolutely LOVE, my ruger SR762, ACCURATE AS HELL ! 5 shot one hole groups no problem.  I’ll never sell it, regret selling my second one, which was just as accurate. Iv got 3 spare BCGs for it. I’ll buy another one if I ever find one reasonable. GREAT GUNS. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/CA8C2C7F-7289-4034-96F2-53D42DB64C5C_jpe-2516446.JPG I REALLY want one. By the time the divorce was over and I could afford them, they were unobtainium for me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:16:03 PM EST
[#18]
Is this actually on the market yet, or is this still in the pre-introduction hype phase?
Ruger sometimes has a quite lengthy marketing phase before the actual release of the product. Many, many years ago, Ruger announced a Mini-14 sized 308. It was called the 'XGI', available in 243 and 308. They hyped that rifle for a long time. It never did make it to the market. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:26:13 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Big 'ol chonky barrel because the average Ruger fan will slap on a chinese scope and hammer away with tula 308. Another reminder that Ruger supports the ATF. Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:28:12 PM EST
[#20]
Still waiting on their lever actions.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:42:05 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. They testified in front of a congressional committee last month about how they love and support the ATF. On video. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Big 'ol chonky barrel because the average Ruger fan will slap on a chinese scope and hammer away with tula 308. Another reminder that Ruger supports the ATF. Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? Guess I'll look for the video then, since posting a link is apparently too much to ask. Found it. Sounds like a CYA-type response to me.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:49:11 PM EST
[#22]
6.8 pounds for a .308 at that price point is impressive!
Comes with one, 20-round Magpul PMAG® magazine and is compatible with SR25®/AR-10®-pattern .308 Win/7.62 NATO magazines. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:55:17 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? Bill’s dead. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 2:58:09 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this actually on the market yet, or is this still in the pre-introduction hype phase? Ruger sometimes has a quite lengthy marketing phase before the actual release of the product. Many, many years ago, Ruger announced a Mini-14 sized 308. It was called the 'XGI', available in 243 and 308. They hyped that rifle for a long time. It never did make it to the market. 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 3:01:08 PM EST
[#25]
I want one in 6.5 creedmoor
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Posted: 9/6/2022 3:16:04 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. They testified in front of a congressional committee last month about how they love and support the ATF. On video. They didn't say they LOVED the ATF. They gave a CYA answer. Ruger has been extremely active in lobbying, and helping the grass roots lobby against gun control for many years. Hey, at least they weren't paying lobbyists to promote gun control like SA & RRA. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 3:37:31 PM EST
[#27]
Comparing to the POF Rogue, wondering what could be done to get the Ruger's weight down closer to a Rogue.
Ruger 6.8 lb. vs. POF 5.9 • POF MFT stock 5.8oz vs. Ruger Magpul stock 9.6oz. • Grip pretty meh negligible: POF MFT 2.2oz. vs Ruger Magpul 2.8oz. • Don't know weight, but you gotta figure that little Micro B single port comp POF uses is lighter than that big Ruger one. (I love how Ruger embraced the hate and called it the "Boomer" muzzle brake. :) ) Either way, it'd be a wash once the factory comp gets tossed and a silencer mount was installed. • POF has an uninterrupted rail on top (but 11"), whereas Ruger (15") shaved the pic slots off the top of theirs to save weight/get better over-rail grip. POF has some rail sections on the 6 o'clock bottom, whereas Ruger has only MLOK slots. Apples-to-apples, the weight might cancel out there, but putting a 11" rail on the Ruger would get an ounce or two off. Anything else stick out that is changeable / heavier? I'm intrigued by the "Venting holes in the upper receiver, barrel extension, and bolt carrier ensure that excess gas is directed safely away from the user." feature. Suppressor envisioned? Ruger has a 4-position rotary-regulator gas block included, which the Rogue does not. Either way, S'FAR, S'good. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 3:41:40 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. They testified in front of a congressional committee last month about how they love and support the ATF. On video. Give me a break. This absolutism shit is obnoxious |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:02:13 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I'll look for the video then, since posting a link is apparently too much to ask. Found it. Sounds like a CYA-type response to me. That’s where I’m at with it. The guy works for a publicly traded company and has to represent the best interests of the shareholders and employees. It was a bullshit, over the line question to even ask but what was he supposed to do? Look… I work for an oil company. If I’m testifying in front of Congress and one of these retards asks me about the EPA am I supposed to tell them how I’d like to break it into a million pieces and scatter it to the wind? That’s kind of ridiculous. Unfortunately, being an adult working in a professional environment in one of the most heavily regulated industries in the world means you have to eat some shit every now and then. That’s what he did. Does it suck? Yes. Was there a really good alternative? Not really. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:16:22 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is actually a pretty decent package for the price, especially if it’s a G2. The 4140 barrel is disappointing but won’t matter for the vast majority of users. I’d be interested to see if the barrels are standard DPMS type. If so it would be worth it to get one, go ahead and smoke the barrel and replace with something better. 4140 isn't necessarily bad. It's the primary choice for precision bolt gun barrels. It tends to machine really nicely so getting results that help accuracy is easier. 4150 is too, but there are a fuckton of high dollar very accurate rifles using 4140. It would not be my choice for a blaster though. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:20:19 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4140 isn't necessarily bad. It's the primary choice for precision bolt gun barrels. It tends to machine really nicely so getting results that help accuracy is easier. 4150 is too, but there are a fuckton of high dollar very accurate rifles using 4140. It would not be my choice for a blaster though. For a precision rifle it’s fine because of the lower rate of fire and subsequently lower typical operating temperatures. For an AR it’ll be fine for the overwhelming number of owners. For real hard use it’s a poor choice because it’s just not going to last as long. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:30:59 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a precision rifle it’s fine because of the lower rate of fire and subsequently lower typical operating temperatures. For an AR it’ll be fine for the overwhelming number of owners. For real hard use it’s a poor choice because it’s just not going to last as long. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 4140 isn't necessarily bad. It's the primary choice for precision bolt gun barrels. It tends to machine really nicely so getting results that help accuracy is easier. 4150 is too, but there are a fuckton of high dollar very accurate rifles using 4140. It would not be my choice for a blaster though. For a precision rifle it’s fine because of the lower rate of fire and subsequently lower typical operating temperatures. For an AR it’ll be fine for the overwhelming number of owners. For real hard use it’s a poor choice because it’s just not going to last as long. It's also hammer forged... I wonder if there's much difference with how quickly it wears out the tooling there. Regardless, it negates "finishing" as an issue, since they aren't button rifling or lapping the bore. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:39:43 PM EST
[#33]
It's surprising to me that POF didn't have some patents on some of the modifications they made on their rogue and revolution lines to the lowers to keep other companies from copying what they did to shrink it down to an AR15 size. I have a rogue pistol I sbr'd and with the addition of an adjustable gas block it is a solid rifle, and extremely light for a .308.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 5:43:09 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's surprising to me that POF didn't have some patents on some of the modifications they made on their rogue and revolution lines to the lowers to keep other companies from copying what they did to shrink it down to an AR15 size. I have a rogue pistol I sbr'd and with the addition of an adjustable gas block it is a solid rifle, and extremely light for a .308. What makes you think they didn’t? They weren’t the only ones making a smaller 308. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:20:57 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big 'ol chonky barrel because the average Ruger fan will slap on a chinese scope and hammer away with tula 308. Another reminder that Ruger supports the ATF. I have no idea what a chonky is but the barrel looks like a normal profile to me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:26:01 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: why? it's a terrible caliber so q can sell more of their shitty cans Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ruger should put this out as a pistol in 8.6 Blackout. why? it's a terrible caliber so q can sell more of their shitty cans What's wrong with someone liking what you don't like? Are you going to be affected by that? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:26:56 PM EST
[#37]
A 7 and a half pound .308 AR is impressive.
Looks like POF is farming out their Rogue patents. Good to see it. ETA, maybe not. SAD! |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:41:52 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting for the PC45 carbine that takes 1911 and G21 mags A PC44 and PC357 that use Desert Eagle mags would be moar butter. A 44M Charger would be dandy bear and moose medicine also but who would buy a revolver after that :lol: |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:41:55 PM EST
[#39]
I really like it, I think it looks nice not riced out or anything, the weight is amazing.
I never got into these because prices are steep and if I want a 9# rifle I'd just save for an M1 SOCOM which I find alittle "neater" since I already have AR's... but if this is near $1100 I think I could fo... I could fo very much. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:42:25 PM EST
[#40]
But will it SBR?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:45:30 PM EST
[#41]
I was prepared to hate it. But I love it. I want one.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:45:31 PM EST
[#42]
Are you going to buy a 20” one, @Beamy?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:47:47 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But will it SBR? This is what I wonder. A 14.5 with a different handguard….intriguing |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:47:53 PM EST
[#44]
 Ruger® SFAR™ Features |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:50:58 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bill’s dead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess I need a reminder how Ruger supports the ATF, or are people still holding a grudge against Bill because he said something stupid decades ago? Bill’s dead. Oh I know. It's just amusing that there are still people out there that won't buy a Ruger anything over what he said about hi-cap magazines years ago. Those 7 people still holding that grudge must be an absolute riot to hang out with. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 6:56:19 PM EST
[#46]
I'm a bit intrigued by this. Don't own a .308 AR.
This might change that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 7:18:36 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this actually on the market yet, or is this still in the pre-introduction hype phase? Ruger sometimes has a quite lengthy marketing phase before the actual release of the product. Many, many years ago, Ruger announced a Mini-14 sized 308. It was called the 'XGI', available in 243 and 308. They hyped that rifle for a long time. It never did make it to the market. Pepperidge Farms? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 7:32:48 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you going to buy a 20” one, @Beamy? the thought had crossed my mind....my current .308 AR is a 20in as well
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Posted: 9/6/2022 7:36:44 PM EST
[#49]
I like it, but I wish it didn’t require a wrench to adjust the gas settings. I would have preferred it be tool-less or even adjustable with a bullet tip or punch.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 7:38:29 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like it, but I wish it didn’t require a wrench to adjust the gas settings. I would have preferred it be tool-less or even adjustable with a bullet tip or punch. the tool stows in the grip... looks like you could use something on a keychain as well. |
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