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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:21:13 AM EDT
The remains of the Russian military convoy blocked a street in the town of Bucha after the ambush - said to have been carried out by troops armed with NLAW missile launchers.
Artillery and drone strikes are also thought to have been deployed in the attack. Locals civilians are also reported to have helped fight the invaders by throwing petrol bombs. Not far from Bucha, Ukrainian forces used Western-supplied anti-tank missiles to destroy another Russian convoy on a bridge that serves a main route into Kyiv. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-convoy-blitzed-by-ukrainian-troops-armed-with-brit-anti-tank-weapons/  |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:23:10 AM EDT
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I thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine...and on paper they should. Are they playing nice? Are their tactics just this antiquated?
Weird conflict. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:23:40 AM EDT
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This is the first time we have seen the Javelin, NLAW, and drones used in Urban fighting against armor correct? Maybe Armenia too? I feel like this changes the rules completely. I know russians are not using infantry and air power effectively, but still....
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:24:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine...and on paper they should. Are they playing nice? Are their tactics just this antiquated? Weird conflict. Turns out, Russia is just shit. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:25:18 AM EDT
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I have such a huge erection now!
edit: In fairness, we are seeing maybe a Company's worth of equipment destroyed. Just a drop in the bucket. I'd like to see 40+miles of this level of destruction. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:26:44 AM EDT
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Is this the same big ass convoy that was on the news? Hope so
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:28:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Nice!
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:28:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns out, Russia is just shit. Apparently so... Makes you wonder if Uncle Vlad's canned sunshine can even make it out of their airspace and how hard he's actually bluffing on it. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:28:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the first time we have seen the Javelin, NLAW, and drones used in Urban fighting against armor correct? Maybe Armenia too? I feel like this changes the rules completely. I know russians are not using infantry and air power effectively, but still.... You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:31:17 AM EDT
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You have to give it to the Ukrainians, they are some tough sons of bitches.
They're definitely not backing down to a world (semi-super) power. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:31:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine...and on paper they should. Are they playing nice? Are their tactics just this antiquated? Weird conflict. I think they're trying to not just level things to avoid pissing of the world any more than they have to, they're just shit (but quantity has a quality all it's own), and they're fighting an opponent on the opponent's home turf who truly hates them. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:32:26 AM EDT
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It's a country with the economy of California..spread out across 11 time zones. If they were a college football team they'd be Notre Dame..constantly over rated.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:32:46 AM EDT
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Don't those missiles detonate downward from above the target? I ask because there is a lot of obstruction with trees and power lines etc.
Obviously they worked, just curious how they deal with a complicated situation like the one pictured. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:33:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird conflict. Agreed. There is lots of room for escalation on the Russian side, though. I think Putin really thought there would be more populist support for Moscow and he would just be fighting minor resistance around the Ukrainian capitol. Now he has the choice of increasing brutality on the people he hopes to rule or showing the world that Russia is strategically inept by stopping the campaign. I'm afraid I know which one he will choose. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't those missiles detonate downward from above the target? I ask because there is a lot of obstruction with trees and power lines etc. Obviously they worked, just curious how they deal with a complicated situation like the one pictured. NLAW has a direct attack mode |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:34:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they're trying to not just level things to avoid pissing of the world any more than they have to, they're just shit (but quantity has a quality all it's own), and they're fighting an opponent on the opponent's home turf who truly hates them. That's part of it, the Russian themselves don't seem to keen on fighting their neighbors either. All of the "running out of gas" isn't just an accident. The Russians don't seem to have the stomach for a war in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NLAW has a direct attack mode Ok, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:36:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:36:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. There is lots of room for escalation on the Russian side, though. I think Putin really thought there would be more populist support for Moscow and he would just be fighting minor resistance around the Ukrainian capitol. Now he has the choice of increasing brutality on the people he hopes to rule or showing the world that Russia is strategically inept by stopping the campaign. I'm afraid I know which one he will choose. Given what’s happening in Mariupol right now, they’re moving back to their bomb the shit out of the city tactic. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:39:59 AM EDT
[#19]
Do the Russian Soldiers even know there is a war?
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's part of it, the Russian themselves don't seem to keen on fighting their neighbors either. All of the "running out of gas" isn't just an accident. The Russians don't seem to have the stomach for a war in Ukraine. The wealthy guys in Moscow certainly have the stomach for war. Most of the 18-19 year old conscripts deployed in Ukraine probably don't. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:42:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the first time we have seen the Javelin, NLAW, and drones used in Urban fighting against armor correct? Maybe Armenia too? I feel like this changes the rules completely. I know russians are not using infantry and air power effectively, but still.... You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:43:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to give it to the Ukrainians, they are some tough sons of bitches. They're definitely not backing down to a world (semi-super) power. God bless them! Russians will end up taking the major cities but looks like they won’t ever be comfortable with their stay |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:43:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a country with the economy of California..spread out across 11 time zones. If they were a college football team they'd be Notre Dame..constantly over rated.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a country with the economy of California..spread out across 11 time zones. If they were a college football team they'd be Notre Dame..constantly over rated. Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:48:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they're trying to not just level things to avoid pissing of the world any more than they have to, they're just shit (but quantity has a quality all it's own), and they're fighting an opponent on the opponent's home turf who truly hates them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine...and on paper they should. Are they playing nice? Are their tactics just this antiquated? Weird conflict. I think they're trying to not just level things to avoid pissing of the world any more than they have to, they're just shit (but quantity has a quality all it's own), and they're fighting an opponent on the opponent's home turf who truly hates them. yeah it definitely seems to be a combination of the Ukrainians doing much better than expected and the Russians doing much worse/dumber than expected. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:49:47 AM EDT
[#26]
There is a distinct lack of crispy critters.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:53:04 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a country with the economy of California..spread out across 11 time zones. If they were a college football team they'd be Notre Dame..constantly over rated. Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:56:43 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a distinct lack of crispy critters. This, where are the bodies? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:57:53 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. God, I fucking hope not. This would be how Skynet happens. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:58:26 AM EDT
[#30]
 
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Posted: 3/2/2022 10:59:52 AM EDT
[#31]
I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:01:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine...and on paper they should. Are they playing nice? Are their tactics just this antiquated? Weird conflict. And the US could have steamrolled Iraq... but that wasn't the objective. I don't think Russia wants to level the cities. I think they want to replace the government, and still have a functioning population and infrastructure. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:03:34 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, where are the bodies? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a distinct lack of crispy critters. This, where are the bodies? There are pics out there. Ukrainian side is trying to not emphasize them however. Can't blame them. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:06:01 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a country with the economy of California..spread out across 11 time zones. If they were a college football team they'd be Notre Dame..constantly over rated. Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) But that's for 39 million in CA versus roughly 150 million in Russia. BIG difference comrade. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:06:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the US could have steamrolled Iraq... but that wasn't the objective. I don't think Russia wants to level the cities. I think they want to replace the government, and still have a functioning population and infrastructure. I typed this whole thing out about how US and RUS objectives were different in their respective 'wars'...but, the part in bold is where we seem to overlap. And with that realization I say to Russia; BTDT...good luck. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:06:49 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a distinct lack of crispy critters. The images are from Reuters. They may have chosen ones that don't show human carnage for news coverage. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:07:32 AM EDT
[#37]
 Quote Historythese images are the crazy ones to me - everyday people stepping through the warzone after a grocery run |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:08:03 AM EDT
[#38]
Cool video on the NLAW system.
 Anti-Tank Weapons for Ukraine: Bring up the NLAW |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:08:52 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome. This. I still think Russia is fighting with one hand behind their back. I'm worried about what's gonna happen when Russia realizes that they can't just drive into a city. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:09:01 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NLAW has a direct attack mode Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't those missiles detonate downward from above the target? I ask because there is a lot of obstruction with trees and power lines etc. Obviously they worked, just curious how they deal with a complicated situation like the one pictured. NLAW has a direct attack mode Direct attack, but the missle doesn't really impact the target. It explodes just above it. And direct attack directly into the target. Compared to the Javi that has top-down and direct attack. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:09:49 AM EDT
[#41]
Good fuck Russians for showing up.
Guess that convoy fucked around and found out. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:10:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Without a doubt the most damning evidence that Russia is fucking this up is the amount of top tier equipment being abandoned.
SA-15 Tor SAM units, with a cost of some $25 Million USD each, Pantsir systems, $13 Million.... OSA SA-8.... There's no favorable explanation as to why this mondo-expensivo shit is just being walked away from by the Russians. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:10:57 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome. It seems like the miles-long convoy of |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:11:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a distinct lack of crispy critters. There's a ton of war porn out there, if you look. It's just hard to determine what is from this current conflict, and what is being recycled from previous conflicts. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:11:54 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's part of it, the Russian themselves don't seem to keen on fighting their neighbors either. All of the "running out of gas" isn't just an accident. The Russians don't seem to have the stomach for a war in Ukraine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think they're trying to not just level things to avoid pissing of the world any more than they have to, they're just shit (but quantity has a quality all it's own), and they're fighting an opponent on the opponent's home turf who truly hates them. That's part of it, the Russian themselves don't seem to keen on fighting their neighbors either. All of the "running out of gas" isn't just an accident. The Russians don't seem to have the stomach for a war in Ukraine. And most were expecting to be welcomed as liberators. Hell a bunch didn't even know they were part of a war. They thought it was just an exercise. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:12:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) Russia has a GDP about 1/2 of CA’s. (1.6T vs. >3T) If Russia was a US state, by GDP it would rank fourth, between NY and FL. TX is our #2. (>2T). |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:14:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:14:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I still think Russia is fighting with one hand behind their back. I'm worried about what's gonna happen when Russia realizes that they can't just drive into a city. It's like getting back with your ex. You are hoping for a "relationship" so beating them to death defeats the purpose. I'm sure Russia could kill everyone in Ukraine but the goal (stupid and impossible) is to turn Ukraine into a pro-Russian buffer State. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:17:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Russian Soldiers even know there is a war? They're finding out. Most are conscripts and thought this was a training exercise. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 11:17:17 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is the first time we have seen the Javelin, NLAW, and drones used in Urban fighting against armor correct? Maybe Armenia too? I feel like this changes the rules completely. I know russians are not using infantry and air power effectively, but still.... You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. Cyberdyne Systems is drafting a Cease and Desist as we speak. |
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