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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:17:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but a weird reticle...not that I wouldn't try to use a battlefield pickup on my AR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It appears that an ACOG is mounted to each NLAW  Yeah but a weird reticle...not that I wouldn't try to use a battlefield pickup on my AR. Not an ACOG, but it is made by Trijicon, so probably has a lot of similarities in the housing. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have a lot already Leningrad/st Petersburg is full from the Great Patriotic war. I think when the dead start getting shipped home the anti war protest will become huge Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia’s gonna have to start planning on a new war memorial They have a lot already Leningrad/st Petersburg is full from the Great Patriotic war. I think when the dead start getting shipped home the anti war protest will become huge Why would you think they ship the dead home? Have you seen the incinerator trucks? They just give the family ~$100 if they are lucky and send up the next regiment. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 10-20 years, I could see some sort of defense developed. Like a sound-based system. Or maybe a cheap version of the Navy's Phalanx system. BRRRRRR... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With the Javelin, the days of armor on the battlefield are basically over. TROPHY been around 10 years.  ISRAELI TROPHY FOR AMERICAN M1 ABRAMS MBT | SINCE 2011, THE SYSTEM HAS ACHIEVED 100% SUCCESS !  |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't those missiles detonate downward from above the target? I ask because there is a lot of obstruction with trees and power lines etc. Obviously they worked, just curious how they deal with a complicated situation like the one pictured. NLAW fires down. There’s a way to select minimum range so it’ll pass over targets between you and your intended target. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: O for Odessa? Z Eastern forces of the RF (Russian Federation). Z in a square Forces of the RF of Crimea. O Forces of Belarus. V Marine infantry. X Chechens. A Special forces (SOBR, ALFA, SSO) |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:58:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:07:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but a weird reticle...not that I wouldn't try to use a battlefield pickup on my AR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It appears that an ACOG is mounted to each NLAW Yeah but a weird reticle...not that I wouldn't try to use a battlefield pickup on my AR. Aren't these a single use item? If so I just find it crazy to put a $600+ optic on such an item. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:09:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: English is not your first language - am I right ? Oh, but, I'm vastly influenced by your poorly written propaganda. Really, don't stop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Putin and Russia are playing it carefully. Trying to avoid civilian casualties and limiting use of military assets. No doubt what so ever, that if/when Russia really commits, Ukraine will be steam rolled in little time. Do not believe the media. Always pushing whatever globalist/left/pro Biden narrative that benefits them the most. English is not your first language - am I right ? Oh, but, I'm vastly influenced by your poorly written propaganda. Really, don't stop. Check out his post in a thread about NV/Thermals. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Utility-of-night-vision-thermal-in-Ukraine-by-either-side-/5-2534003/? Quoted: Putin is trying to limit the actual number of engagements and civilian casualties. If Russia dropped the hammer the Ukraine would already be conquered. Putin in trying to avoid western countries from committing supplies and possibly troops to the conflict. Try harder, comrade. And I hope Putin gets sodomized by the devil's barbed cock in hell. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:15:20 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't these a single use item? If so I just find it crazy to put a $600+ optic on such an item. You move the sight between units. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:17:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. There is lots of room for escalation on the Russian side, though. I think Putin really thought there would be more populist support for Moscow and he would just be fighting minor resistance around the Ukrainian capitol. Now he has the choice of increasing brutality on the people he hopes to rule or showing the world that Russia is strategically inept by stopping the campaign. I'm afraid I know which one he will choose. This. He's not prepping the route of advance with artillery or going nuts with the thermobarics. I think (as has been said) he expected more popular support. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:18:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: The remains of the Russian military convoy blocked a street in the town of Bucha after the ambush - said to have been carried out by troops armed with NLAW missile launchers. Artillery and drone strikes are also thought to have been deployed in the attack. Locals civilians are also reported to have helped fight the invaders by throwing petrol bombs. Not far from Bucha, Ukrainian forces used Western-supplied anti-tank missiles to destroy another Russian convoy on a bridge that serves a main route into Kyiv. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-convoy-blitzed-by-ukrainian-troops-armed-with-brit-anti-tank-weapons/ https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/291085?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&signature=IS5Rp_g9oudJmHoFcje6-QZpr00= I like. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:20:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) 5th out of 190 some-odd countries? Not bad for 1/50th of a whole country. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:22:49 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. Yea. Sure. Until the drone factories get droned... |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:23:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NINTCHDBPICT000715642632.jpg?strip=all&w=960 https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NINTCHDBPICT000715789904.jpg?w=960 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10569027/Charred-remains-Putins-tanks-lie-smouldering-street-Russian-death-toll-climbs.html You know dude is trying to figure out if that will fit on his mini-van. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US is already working on it with the Israelis Trophy APS. The Trophy system is now being mounted on the M1 Abrams to test it's effectiveness. Trophy APS (Active Protection System) is designed to shoot down incoming AT missiles. And drones? Tell me they have programmed that ability into the system. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't these a single use item? If so I just find it crazy to put a $600+ optic on such an item. LOL on a 40k missile?? LOL . that is NOTHING. We were using 200k missiles launched by 50 MILLION dollar drones flown by 100k a year warrent officers in a BILLION dollar base in Nevada to take out afganhi goat enthusianists who in a life time MIGHT make 10k if they were lucky. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:35:03 PM EDT
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For some odd reason, the term from my first Sega CD game, Sewer Shark comes to mind. "SHOOT THE TUBES, DOGMEAT!"
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:44:35 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russians outran their logistics. Western anti-armor weapons. Unfortunately this will likely result in Russian siege type encirclement of urban areas where they will use rockets and arty to reduce them to rubble. Mass civilian casualties and suffering ahead I am afraid. I do see an opportunity for Ukrainian resistance, but it’s going to be a long bloody affair. It is hard not to out run your logistics when your soldiers don't want to advance and actively work to squander or destroy what supplies they are delivered. Just knowing how most people (in particular, young men) treat equipment that they have not paid for in the first place and then thinking about the situation the soviet soldiers are facing. A typical thought process probably goes like this: you know, if this becomes damaged, I may not be able to advance into an enemy that wants to kill me, and I am being sent here by a government that has given no substantial motivation to me that would cause me to believe that it is worth my being crippled or dying here. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:50:37 PM EDT
[#19]
Still think russia is sending in junior team units....i mean they are getting killed...but youre not seeing the best they have to offer
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:52:43 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) According to this Russia's GPD is ranked 11th, below South Korea and right above Brazil. Much closer to the Brazil side. Russia population wise appears to be smaller than Brazil, so Russian workers will be more productive than Brazilian workers having each worker producing more GDP, but less bodies to throw into a fight. Ask yourself this, when is the last time you thought Brazil would bring a powerful military to a conflict? Russia's economic indicators put them roughly on par with each other. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:52:47 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. There is lots of room for escalation on the Russian side, though. I think Putin really thought there would be more populist support for Moscow and he would just be fighting minor resistance around the Ukrainian capitol. Now he has the choice of increasing brutality on the people he hopes to rule or showing the world that Russia is strategically inept by stopping the campaign. I'm afraid I know which one he will choose. I think You’re right. Russias options seem to be getting shittier at an accelerated rate. They are stuck between surrender, all out war and nukes. Hopefully they have the sense to pack their shit up and bounce. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:53:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still think russia is sending in junior team units....i mean they are getting killed...but youre not seeing the best they have to offer |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:55:19 PM EDT
[#23]
The weather is warming across the Ukraine.
General Mud takes the battlefield and causes problems for armies dependent upon armor and logistic supplies from a distance and favors infantry and those who live on the land. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 4:57:15 PM EDT
[#24]
NLAW is a SAAB product, isn't it?
I would have thought that they would have sourced an optic from Aimpoint. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:05:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Likely dragged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This, where are the bodies? Likely dragged. I thought it was druggeded. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:10:31 PM EDT
[#26]
While it's good to see this, I'm with others here in that I don't think we've seen the hammer drop yet from the Russian side.
My questions: 1) why is the internet in Ukraine still functioning? 2) why haven't the Russians gotten air superiority yet? I'm inclined to think that most of what we're seeing coming out of Ukraine is BS / propaganda, but those two items are undeniable at this point and indicate that things really aren't going well for Russia so far. I do think that the Russians are trying to go lightly and not completely level Ukraine, as they obviously gain nothing if they inherit a destroyed and depopulated Ukraine when the dust settles. The fact that the internet still seems to work is extremely odd to me, though. I know what Musk is doing, but that doesn't account for the fact that the Russians haven't cut off power/internet. Did the Russians not understand what would happen if they left that on? Did they not anticipate the flood of war vids and propaganda that would flow out of there if they failed to shut it down? I thought that they were more savvy than that. So while I still expect the Russians to crack down and ultimately take the cities, I'd be happy for the Ukrainians to prove me wrong, and I think that if the Russians don't get their shit together then the Ukrainians actually might be able to pull it off. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:12:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bravo32 is probably a Rooshin. He's been spouting the same BS about "trying to avoid civilian casualties" in other threads. Check out his post in a thread about NV/Thermals. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Utility-of-night-vision-thermal-in-Ukraine-by-either-side-/5-2534003/? Try harder, comrade. And I hope Putin gets sodomized by the devil's barbed cock in hell. I hope he's next in line after Adolph every morning for eternity.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:36:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's part of it, the Russian themselves don't seem to keen on fighting their neighbors either. All of the "running out of gas" isn't just an accident. The Russians don't seem to have the stomach for a war in Ukraine. Who would? It would be like the US invading and making war on California. Yeah, nobody likes them, but we aren't about to kill them. Right? 
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:50:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Maybe California isn’t the right example.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:51:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While it's good to see this, I'm with others here in that I don't think we've seen the hammer drop yet from the Russian side. My questions: 1) why is the internet in Ukraine still functioning? 2) why haven't the Russians gotten air superiority yet? I'm inclined to think that most of what we're seeing coming out of Ukraine is BS / propaganda, but those two items are undeniable at this point and indicate that things really aren't going well for Russia so far. I do think that the Russians are trying to go lightly and not completely level Ukraine, as they obviously gain nothing if they inherit a destroyed and depopulated Ukraine when the dust settles. The fact that the internet still seems to work is extremely odd to me, though. I know what Musk is doing, but that doesn't account for the fact that the Russians haven't cut off power/internet. Did the Russians not understand what would happen if they left that on? Did they not anticipate the flood of war vids and propaganda that would flow out of there if they failed to shut it down? I thought that they were more savvy than that. So while I still expect the Russians to crack down and ultimately take the cities, I'd be happy for the Ukrainians to prove me wrong, and I think that if the Russians don't get their shit together then the Ukrainians actually might be able to pull it off. Exactly, a lot of great questions. Utilities are still running, IMO they're trying to limit the destruction to utilities as that's how you end up with a bigger humanitarian crises. And probably want to spend as little money as possible trying to rebuild Ukraine and still have a significant portion of the country support your installed puppet gov. They shut down the internet in kazakhstan and Belarus during their protests, they know this shit. And for all the videos of "airstrikes" on children's hospitals there is just as many of Russians letting civilians close to their convoys, or denying them entrance to a city by blocking the road and standing in front of their vehicles and not shooting them point blank to create distance. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:52:55 PM EDT
[#31]
I haven't thought much of Russia since I found they were all starving, and we sent sent them shit tons of wheat and they sold it to other countries. I'm glad they're tough guy mask is being beat off their faces now. No put up the Putin laughing meme. Go Ukrain!
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:56:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns out, Russia is just shit. Never underestimate your enemy until the job is finished |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:57:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never underestimate your enemy until the job is finished Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Turns out, Russia is just shit. Never underestimate your enemy until the job is finished Yep. Sean Hannity has been standing his ground throughout his whole show today saying that the long convoy headed into Ukraine is going to change the game, with mass casualties and widespread destruction. This ain't over yet. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 5:58:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like someone said maybe their best got taken out day one in those planes that got shot down. I dont think were that lucky....maybe a few...but not there tier 1 line units I havent seen any of their top tanks being taken out Not saying they have alot...but they do have enough I wouldnt put my best assets into play against a lower tier opponent if i knew my conscripts could eventually take....what cost are conscripts? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:01:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never underestimate your enemy until the job is finished Most Armies start out this way when a war starts, we in the west have gotten us to seeing what highly professional militaries with exquisite training budgets can accomplish and forget most of the world does not have that luxury. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:07:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why Every Military Needs the Javelin Missile Launcher  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRhbfi_65oAre these basically a man portable hellfire missile? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:08:22 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea. Sure. Until the drone factories get droned... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I figure eventually it won't even be boots on the ground. It'll be computer controlled drone swarms that control the battlefield. Raytheon or someone else will figure out how to mass produce weaponized drones that work in concert, carried into battle via drone transports, communicating with each other and their controllers safe behind friendly lines. No need to train, feed, and clothe human warfighters. No need to write letters home for KIA. No more medical expenses. They'll be faster, more agile, fearless, cheaper and easily replaceable. They also won't question orders or get blisters on their feet. Yea. Sure. Until the drone factories get droned... In Kansas? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:10:44 PM EDT
[#38]
One interesting tidbit, they both use the same tanks and APC's.
That tank that ran over the car and the passenger lived, that was a Ukrainian tank out of control. You are often shown old pictures from 2014 or video game shots. Russia is perhaps moving slowly to preserve civilian lives. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:14:51 PM EDT
[#39]
Was it confirmed that Russian lost 2 IL-76's in the beginning? I've seen differing reports that they did and that they did not.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:18:55 PM EDT
[#40]
Taking a city without blowing the shit out of it / keeping it intact is hard as shit. USA would fair badly as well in this situation facing restricting, world scrutiny, tier 1 anti tank systems, stingers, etc.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:19:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One interesting tidbit, they both use the same tanks and APC's. That tank that ran over the car and the passenger lived, that was a Ukrainian tank out of control. You are often shown old pictures from 2014 or video game shots. Russia is perhaps moving slowly to preserve civilian lives. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:20:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: According to this Russia's GPD is ranked 11th, below South Korea and right above Brazil. Much closer to the Brazil side. Russia population wise appears to be smaller than Brazil, so Russian workers will be more productive than Brazilian workers having each worker producing more GDP, but less bodies to throw into a fight. Ask yourself this, when is the last time you thought Brazil would bring a powerful military to a conflict? Russia's economic indicators put them roughly on par with each other. Russia's *per capita* GDP is 57th. China's is abysmal at 79th. IMO viewing it in the context of per capita matters too when it comes to how much a nation can really take from the people to throw at military spending. Guess that depends on what standard of living they're willing to accept and remain obedient. https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/ |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:25:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome. Their is no scenario where Ukraine does not lose in the end if Putin wants it badly enough, but unless Putin takes things up a notch they are going to take a lot of loses and down the road pay back will be a bitch when they try to actually hold the entire country. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:30:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their is no scenario where Ukraine does not lose in the end if Putin wants it badly enough, but unless Putin takes things up a notch they are going to take a lot of loses and down the road pay back will be a bitch when they try to actually hold the entire country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome. Their is no scenario where Ukraine does not lose in the end if Putin wants it badly enough, but unless Putin takes things up a notch they are going to take a lot of loses and down the road pay back will be a bitch when they try to actually hold the entire country. There's the scenario where the Russian people decide they've had enough. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:31:38 PM EDT
[#45]
So can Russian ak-74s be converted to semi auto? I see a big opportunity to turn around a bunch of captured AK's for sale in the US after this is all over.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:35:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their is no scenario where Ukraine does not lose in the end if Putin wants it badly enough, but unless Putin takes things up a notch they are going to take a lot of loses and down the road pay back will be a bitch when they try to actually hold the entire country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm worried that Ukraine is on the ropes but this stuff is awesome. Their is no scenario where Ukraine does not lose in the end if Putin wants it badly enough, but unless Putin takes things up a notch they are going to take a lot of loses and down the road pay back will be a bitch when they try to actually hold the entire country. I don't know if that's true. They've got huge amounts of antitank weapons and stingers either there or on the way. They hate the russians. That will keep them warm on the cold nights while they're waiting for a target. If they blow up enough stuff Putin might get deposed/killed and it won't matter how much he wants it. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:36:30 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the first time we have seen the Javelin, NLAW, and drones used in Urban fighting against armor correct? Maybe Armenia too? I feel like this changes the rules completely. I know russians are not using infantry and air power effectively, but still.... You're right about the rules changing. Eventually, it's going to come down to the boots on the ground. Honestly, They should circle Kiev and attack by air, then shell, and finally advance. Their air assault has been weak. If you are going to invade, you can't half-way do it. It's like Russia isn't committed and has created a mess for themselves. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:39:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So can Russian ak-74s be converted to semi auto? I see a big opportunity to turn around a bunch of captured AK's for sale in the US after this is all over. Kit market resurgence? Of course they'll be without barrels though. 
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:41:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok......but if California were a country it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, so that's really not saying a lot(according to the info I can't find) That's like saying she is the 5th best swimmer on the UPenn female team. It's not very good when you see the details. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:45:30 PM EDT
[#50]
If Putin looses half of his tanks, he will be weak for any future conflicts.
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