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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russians must take Ukraine to prevent that evil NATO from moving east comrade! Therefore we must move west so we can scream NATO is too close to us! Perfect Ruskie logic!  Bingo! |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:11:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This sounds like they were intentionally trying to bring it down by it catching fire. At high altitude it's difficult at best to get jet fuel to burn at ambient atmospheric pressure. Coating it with jet fuel isn't good for the aerodynamics and might obscure cameras or other sensors but it's very unlikely to catch fire. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:18:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, I'm no more in charge than you are. I'm interested in getting to the truth. What does this "Assurance" you speak of look like? Did we break it by allowing the Baltic countries to join NATO? What gave the USA the right to make this assurance on behalf of all other NATO members? Did we discuss it with them first? Its been decades man. Surely this is all well-documented history full of primary source citations and endless rigorous commentary, right? It must be, since we've seemingly openly broken this "assurance" repeatedly for decades. My god man, how did I miss the international debacle of this century? Please, open my eyes. Putin did sign an agreement to drop all claims of territory in Ukraine and respect its borders and sovereignty. He planned all along to break that agreement. When Putin invaded Crimea any thought of not allowing new nations to join NATO went out the window and justly so. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:20:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, I'm no more in charge than you are. I'm interested in getting to the truth. What does this "Assurance" you speak of look like? Did we break it by allowing the Baltic countries to join NATO? What gave the USA the right to make this assurance on behalf of all other NATO members? Did we discuss it with them first? Its been decades man. Surely this is all well-documented history full of primary source citations and endless rigorous commentary, right? It must be, since we've seemingly openly broken this "assurance" repeatedly for decades. My god man, how did I miss the international debacle of this century? Please, open my eyes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh jeez I thought we were above that level of bullshit. I respected your love of Ukraine and recognize you think you our involvement is justified. Good luck in the coming war Andy, you and your side are in charge and debating with someone on the internet who has no power to impact your desired endstate is beneath you. Reap the whirlwind buddy. lol, I'm no more in charge than you are. I'm interested in getting to the truth. What does this "Assurance" you speak of look like? Did we break it by allowing the Baltic countries to join NATO? What gave the USA the right to make this assurance on behalf of all other NATO members? Did we discuss it with them first? Its been decades man. Surely this is all well-documented history full of primary source citations and endless rigorous commentary, right? It must be, since we've seemingly openly broken this "assurance" repeatedly for decades. My god man, how did I miss the international debacle of this century? Please, open my eyes. I suspect you will only receive more deflection & non-answers in response to this post… Funny how when you dig any deeper than the level of mere regurgitated talking points, pretty much all the justifications for Russia’s invasion completely fall apart. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:22:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At high altitude it's difficult at best to get jet fuel to burn at ambient atmospheric pressure. Coating it with jet fuel isn't good for the aerodynamics and might obscure cameras or other sensors but it's very unlikely to catch fire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This sounds like they were intentionally trying to bring it down by it catching fire. At high altitude it's difficult at best to get jet fuel to burn at ambient atmospheric pressure. Coating it with jet fuel isn't good for the aerodynamics and might obscure cameras or other sensors but it's very unlikely to catch fire. yea, it wasnt to catch it on fire. its very hard to light jet fuel on fire. im sure it was just to "piss" on the sensors |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 3:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yea, it wasnt to catch it on fire. its very hard to light jet fuel on fire. im sure it was just to "piss" on the sensors It doesn't matter if they intended to piss in the Drone or light it on fire. It was deliberate and provoking. The subsequent maneuver behind a pusher prop is not unintended either. First, they blind it, then ram it. In all of aviation, nothing they did was unintentional, esp. in international air space. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 5:23:38 AM EDT
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Time for Ukraine to get Atacms and a bunch to impact Sevastopol to teach the Russian Black sea fleet some manners.
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Posted: 3/15/2023 5:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how Ukebros tell me I'm stuck in Ukraine cause I promised to protect then in exchange for them surrendering nukes? I would argue since I have maxed out social security contributions for 20 years you better pay my ass back. I agree it isn't the federal government role to get involved in retirement. I also think it isn't our governments job to do regime change or fuck with other countries democratically elected governments when we don't like then. But here we are. You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 6:36:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cinc I don't think it's gonna get released tonight. I'd still like to know what a guarantee issued by yourself is worth. Since we are issuing them and all..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Show us the video. Cinc I don't think it's gonna get released tonight. I'd still like to know what a guarantee issued by yourself is worth. Since we are issuing them and all..... I am very disappointed that the FDOs all went home early. But you never disappoint! lol |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 6:41:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well Why are we the only one who is supposed to live up to an agreement? Budapest anyone? Besides, the shoot down was really payback for some chinee weather balloons maybe? Plus, Russians and Chechen troops have been in Ukraine since at least 2015 as verified in the movie Debaltseve on YouTube by UA troops serving in the area. Multiple jet attacks and border incursions for a long time. The current conflict is not just something that happened last year. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:00:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying the only thing remotely close to what you're describing was a talking point during negotiations that was not even agreed to and never made it into any treaty that Russia, the USA, or any of the former SSRs agreed to. What does this assurance even look like? "Won't push east." What does that even mean? Is the official agreement worded that loosely? That sounds less like an assurance and more like a drunken Russian propagandists talking point. Probably because that's exactly what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying the only thing remotely close to what you're describing was a talking point during negotiations that was not even agreed to and never made it into any treaty that Russia, the USA, or any of the former SSRs agreed to. What does this assurance even look like? "Won't push east." What does that even mean? Is the official agreement worded that loosely? That sounds less like an assurance and more like a drunken Russian propagandists talking point. Probably because that's exactly what it is. No official treaty, just promises. US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz saying: “We made it clear to the Soviet Union, in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” “NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially.” A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.” West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog said of the 1991 agreement: “We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe. We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.” The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well. The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:02:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When Putin invaded Crimea any thought of not allowing new nations to join NATO went out the window and justly so. Agreed, though many had joined before Crimea was invaded. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:07:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, though many had joined before Crimea was invaded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When Putin invaded Crimea any thought of not allowing new nations to join NATO went out the window and justly so. Agreed, though many had joined before Crimea was invaded. Because they understood that not doing so would almost guarantee a future Russian invasion. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:10:32 AM EDT
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This is why we fly drones.
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:39:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah seems kind of weird. It's war and Russia considers us a combatant. I guess some people are still in denial about it. Proxy wars be what they is. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 7:41:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we should send another one aloft and have some fighters nearby to escort it…….. or send another into the area and send a Teledyne-Ryan Firebee into the area and when the Russkies get too close, let the Firebee fly in front of the Russian Or maybe we let the European countries handle it a pay for it and we mind our own business. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:07:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect you will only receive more deflection & non-answers in response to this post… Funny how when you dig any deeper than the level of mere regurgitated talking points, pretty much all the justifications for Russia’s invasion completely fall apart. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh jeez I thought we were above that level of bullshit. I respected your love of Ukraine and recognize you think you our involvement is justified. Good luck in the coming war Andy, you and your side are in charge and debating with someone on the internet who has no power to impact your desired endstate is beneath you. Reap the whirlwind buddy. lol, I'm no more in charge than you are. I'm interested in getting to the truth. What does this "Assurance" you speak of look like? Did we break it by allowing the Baltic countries to join NATO? What gave the USA the right to make this assurance on behalf of all other NATO members? Did we discuss it with them first? Its been decades man. Surely this is all well-documented history full of primary source citations and endless rigorous commentary, right? It must be, since we've seemingly openly broken this "assurance" repeatedly for decades. My god man, how did I miss the international debacle of this century? Please, open my eyes. I suspect you will only receive more deflection & non-answers in response to this post… Funny how when you dig any deeper than the level of mere regurgitated talking points, pretty much all the justifications for Russia’s invasion completely fall apart. At no time did I attempt to justify the invasion. But I'm not a blind fool that sees the US as a perfect vessel. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:15:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't say they were good planners and neither did the Admiral. They do know how to play the misinformation/propaganda war very well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mmmmm I dunno I think that's a great movie line but as far as I can tell Russians seem to be pretty loose in the planning department. I didn't say they were good planners and neither did the Admiral. They do know how to play the misinformation/propaganda war very well. I don't think it's that they are good at it, but it's the best that they can do. Their culture is shit; exaggerating, chest thumping, and blovating. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:28:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am very disappointed that the FDOs all went home early. But you never disappoint! lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Show us the video. Cinc I don't think it's gonna get released tonight. I'd still like to know what a guarantee issued by yourself is worth. Since we are issuing them and all..... I am very disappointed that the FDOs all went home early. But you never disappoint! lol Cinc you call people liars regularly. Did you lie about the video, or were you wrong? I'm assuming at this point your guarantee is worthless? |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:29:47 AM EDT
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Why aren't the drones built to be virtually invisible to radar?
How did Russians find it? |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:32:05 AM EDT
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No video yet? I am disappointed.
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:38:11 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Skimmed it, yes. A lot of actions over international water, including shoot downs on both sides. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukie simps are jerking furiously over the prospect of escalation... An American asset was intentionally destroyed in international waters and this is all you have to say? Speaks volumes about your patriotism. An incident of a type that that was pretty common during the cold war. We didn’t go kinetic then, why do you want to go kinetic now? You remember the Cold War, yes? No, a military aircraft getting intentionally destroyed in international airspace was *not* pretty common during the Cold War. US Recon aircraft flying into hostile airspace, yes. International airspace, no. https://www.sw.propwashgang.org/shootdown_list.html Did you actually read that list? It supports precisely what I said. Skimmed it, yes. A lot of actions over international water, including shoot downs on both sides. Yep. Although I meant all harrasment incidents--harassment, bumping, damage, interfering with normal operations, etc on land, air, and sea--certainly there were plenty of in-air incidents as the list clearly shows. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:40:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does KAL stand for? There's your answer. Throw out another whopper red herring while you're at it. It was a flight full of Americans, including a sitting congressmen, that originated in the US. Ignorance is bliss and you must be a pretty happy fellow. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:41:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the job of FedGov.  National defense is.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ahhh thank you. The point I was more broadly making was that instead of taking care of Americans--via a social program they paid into in exchange for an expectation of a return (regardless of that lie), we could propose a new program or other mechanism to address a gap in savings but we are going to continue to focus on fucking with other countries wars.....to fight an enemy that has no capacity to invade or harm us with its military short of the use of nuclear weapons that I am repeatedly told either don't work or they won't use. It's a difference of opinion on how to out Americans first I think. Not the job of FedGov. National defense is. you're nothing but a fucking troll dude. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:41:54 AM EDT
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I guess there is no new news since the last few pages are almost entirely purse swinging.
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:44:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Have you went to Ukraine yet? I am waiting. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/54ee48b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/297x223+0+0/resize/630x473!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2Fnews%2F090831_mcdonald_ap_297.jpg Oh, that's just 1 of 61 Americans that were on board. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Calling out the patriotism of veterans is poor fucking form. I'd call out the patriotism of any American who is not outraged when our aircraft are downed by a foe. Where were you when KAL 007 was shot down? There's your answer. Throw out another whopper red herring while you're at it. https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/54ee48b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/297x223+0+0/resize/630x473!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2Fnews%2F090831_mcdonald_ap_297.jpg Oh, that's just 1 of 61 Americans that were on board. I know right? An unmanned drone deserves outrage but 61 dead Americans, including a congressman, is "meh" because it was a Korean airliner. I guess he's just racist against koreans? |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:46:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. I've found one constant in the federal governments policies, their word and treaties mean jack shit to them, it's just verbal diarrhea spouted to whatever end they seek, and there will always be someone to lap up that shit. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you went to Ukraine yet? I am waiting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Have you went to Ukraine yet? I am waiting. He's waiting for orders |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 8:59:15 AM EDT
[#30]
Quick.........send a billion more to Ukraina. But fuck Ohio, right?
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:01:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've found one constant in the federal governments policies, their word and treaties mean jack shit to them, it's just verbal diarrhea spouted to whatever end they seek, and there will always be someone to lap up that shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. I've found one constant in the federal governments policies, their word and treaties mean jack shit to them, it's just verbal diarrhea spouted to whatever end they seek, and there will always be someone to lap up that shit. That is the problem of those who rise to power, they are not bound by normal peoples’ sense of honor. Most of us see our word as our bond, and feel bad when we lie, they just don’t. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:08:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:10:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. DC gonna warmonger. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:12:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok I hope Russia starts to fly fully armed, tactical nuclear bombers just outside our protected space every day for the next month We don’t belong there. This war is just a big lie Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. @ottodog8 We don't have to give a reason over international air space. We can fly where we please. Have you forgotten what freedom is? Ok I hope Russia starts to fly fully armed, tactical nuclear bombers just outside our protected space every day for the next month We don’t belong there. This war is just a big lie What an incredibly stupid - no down right retarded - thing to wish for. Do your handlers pay you by the post or is it a month to month gig. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:12:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: big time this. its incredible how many ukraine zelensky lovers are on arfcom. the dude is a conartist and russia is trying to cut the head off the snake. nobody will understand because they don't want to know. they're much happier and content being spoonfed propaganda and living their "comfortable" lives Yup. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:15:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DC gonna warmonger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. DC gonna warmonger. Nothing unusual with that. Drones, and before them manned aircraft, standing off in international airspace to observe a conflict is and was pretty common as are "freedom of navigation exercises" in the Black Sea. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 1980's where a Soviet ship rammed a US Naval vessel that was conducting a freedom of navigation exercise in the Black Sea. It has to be done periodically otherwise countries can use precident to claim large swaths of navagable waters. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:20:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you for real? Intel is a foreign owned business now?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More foreigner owned businesses in the US? Of course I disagree with it. How about reducing taxation and regulation so we can make our own semiconductors? You honestly think he does it if his love for the US or what he and his corrupt family can get out of it? He had no choice but to go full Anything else would be admitting I’m correct. Don’t expect much from ideological husks. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:20:54 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No” - November 6, 2014 https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGFkNGI3NmNkNzdiYzBmOTc4NDE2MDY2ZmY2MjMxN2EzZTNkODgxNyZjdD1n/CT9IKiIl3Dtf2XXSUj/giphy.gif That really fucks up the Pro Russian bots talking points. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:23:42 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know how Ukebros tell me I'm stuck in Ukraine cause I promised to protect then in exchange for them surrendering nukes? I would argue since I have maxed out social security contributions for 20 years you better pay my ass back. I agree it isn't the federal government role to get involved in retirement. I also think it isn't our governments job to do regime change or fuck with other countries democratically elected governments when we don't like then. But here we are. You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border  Maybe his call sign should be Spartan 6 Delta. No way we are talking with 6 Actual. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you're nothing but a fucking troll dude. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahhh thank you. The point I was more broadly making was that instead of taking care of Americans--via a social program they paid into in exchange for an expectation of a return (regardless of that lie), we could propose a new program or other mechanism to address a gap in savings but we are going to continue to focus on fucking with other countries wars.....to fight an enemy that has no capacity to invade or harm us with its military short of the use of nuclear weapons that I am repeatedly told either don't work or they won't use. It's a difference of opinion on how to out Americans first I think. Not the job of FedGov. National defense is. you're nothing but a fucking troll dude. 
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:27:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe his call sign should be Spartan 6 Delta. No way we are talking with 6 Actual. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You know how Ukebros tell me I'm stuck in Ukraine cause I promised to protect then in exchange for them surrendering nukes? I would argue since I have maxed out social security contributions for 20 years you better pay my ass back. I agree it isn't the federal government role to get involved in retirement. I also think it isn't our governments job to do regime change or fuck with other countries democratically elected governments when we don't like then. But here we are. You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Maybe his call sign should be Spartan 6 Delta. No way we are talking with 6 Actual. That's cute coming from a guy who lists his home as Ukraine even though he's never been there.....amirite? |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing unusual with that. Drones, and before them manned aircraft, standing off in international airspace to observe a conflict is and was pretty common as are "freedom of navigation exercises" in the Black Sea. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 1980's where a Soviet ship rammed a US Naval vessel that was conducting a freedom of navigation exercise in the Black Sea. It has to be done periodically otherwise countries can use precident to claim large swaths of navagable waters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. DC gonna warmonger. Nothing unusual with that. Drones, and before them manned aircraft, standing off in international airspace to observe a conflict is and was pretty common as are "freedom of navigation exercises" in the Black Sea. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 1980's where a Soviet ship rammed a US Naval vessel that was conducting a freedom of navigation exercise in the Black Sea. It has to be done periodically otherwise countries can use precident to claim large swaths of navagable waters. There has been an ongoing debate in the Operational Law and International Law communities of the military at the Headquarters level on the legal protections and obligations when it comes to unmanned systems. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:31:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That really fucks up the Pro Russian bots talking points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No” - November 6, 2014 https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGFkNGI3NmNkNzdiYzBmOTc4NDE2MDY2ZmY2MjMxN2EzZTNkODgxNyZjdD1n/CT9IKiIl3Dtf2XXSUj/giphy.gif That really fucks up the Pro Russian bots talking points. Facts usually do. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:33:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing unusual with that. Drones, and before them manned aircraft, standing off in international airspace to observe a conflict is and was pretty common as are "freedom of navigation exercises" in the Black Sea. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 1980's where a Soviet ship rammed a US Naval vessel that was conducting a freedom of navigation exercise in the Black Sea. It has to be done periodically otherwise countries can use precident to claim large swaths of navagable waters. What? There are literally dozens of assorted treaties (signed by the Russian Empire, the USSR and now the Russian Federation) that explicitly allow for freedom of navigation for both ships and aircraft in international waters and airspace. The definitions for both are well established, and there really is no concept of adverse possession in international law that applies here. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:34:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they understood that not doing so would almost guarantee a future Russian invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: When Putin invaded Crimea any thought of not allowing new nations to join NATO went out the window and justly so. Agreed, though many had joined before Crimea was invaded. Because they understood that not doing so would almost guarantee a future Russian invasion. Yes, that is one possibility. One that will never be known after current events. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:34:10 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's cute coming from a guy who lists his home as Ukraine even though he's never been there.....amirite? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You know how Ukebros tell me I'm stuck in Ukraine cause I promised to protect then in exchange for them surrendering nukes? I would argue since I have maxed out social security contributions for 20 years you better pay my ass back. I agree it isn't the federal government role to get involved in retirement. I also think it isn't our governments job to do regime change or fuck with other countries democratically elected governments when we don't like then. But here we are. You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Maybe his call sign should be Spartan 6 Delta. No way we are talking with 6 Actual. That's cute coming from a guy who lists his home as Ukraine even though he's never been there.....amirite? My home is listed as the US. Always has. Can you put 6 Actual on? His / her / it’s Delta element isn’t cutting it. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:34:22 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There has been an ongoing debate in the Operational Law and International Law communities of the military at the Headquarters level on the legal protections and obligations when it comes to unmanned systems. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. DC gonna warmonger. Nothing unusual with that. Drones, and before them manned aircraft, standing off in international airspace to observe a conflict is and was pretty common as are "freedom of navigation exercises" in the Black Sea. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 1980's where a Soviet ship rammed a US Naval vessel that was conducting a freedom of navigation exercise in the Black Sea. It has to be done periodically otherwise countries can use precident to claim large swaths of navagable waters. There has been an ongoing debate in the Operational Law and International Law communities of the military at the Headquarters level on the legal protections and obligations when it comes to unmanned systems. It certainly is different when actual people are not involved. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:39:41 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My home is listed as the US. Always has. Can you put 6 Actual on? His / her / it’s Delta element isn’t cutting it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You know how Ukebros tell me I'm stuck in Ukraine cause I promised to protect then in exchange for them surrendering nukes? I would argue since I have maxed out social security contributions for 20 years you better pay my ass back. I agree it isn't the federal government role to get involved in retirement. I also think it isn't our governments job to do regime change or fuck with other countries democratically elected governments when we don't like then. But here we are. You’re stuck in Ukraine? Weird. That must be whats keeping you from Going to the US border Maybe his call sign should be Spartan 6 Delta. No way we are talking with 6 Actual. That's cute coming from a guy who lists his home as Ukraine even though he's never been there.....amirite? My home is listed as the US. Always has. Can you put 6 Actual on? His / her / it’s Delta element isn’t cutting it. You poor soul. I was talking to you about Faded. Reading comprehension not a thing for you? |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:41:22 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Facts usually do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No” - November 6, 2014 https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGFkNGI3NmNkNzdiYzBmOTc4NDE2MDY2ZmY2MjMxN2EzZTNkODgxNyZjdD1n/CT9IKiIl3Dtf2XXSUj/giphy.gif That really fucks up the Pro Russian bots talking points. Facts usually do. Well the problem with Gorby’s recollection is that the contemporaneous notes taken at the meeting that were recently declassified at the NSA archives actual say we did NATO expansion and what Gorby Heard “The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next.” (See Document 2) Document 2 |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:44:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the problem with Gorby’s recollection is that the contemporaneous notes taken at the meeting that were recently declassified at the NSA archives actual say we did NATO expansion and what Gorby Heard Document 2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made an agreement to keep NATO off Russian borders and broke it. Everything will change in an instant when they have to reinstate the Draft because NO ONE, especially the woke generation, wants to go fight and die for Ukraine. They will have to press gang them off the streets but that won’t end well I was reading more about the assurances we gave about not one foot east etc etc... Very interesting we have been breaking promises for a long time in the US....we don't like to talk about that but damn it amazes me anyone even acts like they trust us. Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No” - November 6, 2014 https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGFkNGI3NmNkNzdiYzBmOTc4NDE2MDY2ZmY2MjMxN2EzZTNkODgxNyZjdD1n/CT9IKiIl3Dtf2XXSUj/giphy.gif That really fucks up the Pro Russian bots talking points. Facts usually do. Well the problem with Gorby’s recollection is that the contemporaneous notes taken at the meeting that were recently declassified at the NSA archives actual say we did NATO expansion and what Gorby Heard “The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next.” (See Document 2) Document 2 Pearls before swine Ron. |
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