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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:31:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Whether they collided or it was shot down they were trying to get rid of it one way or the other. So what's the response?
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:32:10 PM EDT
[#2]
The reaper was acting suspiscious, He had to get it on......
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, boys, I reckon this is it. Nuclear combat toe-to-toe with the Ruskies. Quoted: Wing attack plan R? Just a minute - I need to inventory my Survival Kit Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. O.K.! Good to Go! |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:32:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which begs the question. Why was it there? Seems kind of obvious, but as long as its in international airspace, its got every right to be there. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which begs the question. Why was it there? "Begs the question" is not a way of saying, "which leads me to wonder..." https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Begging-the-Question.html |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:33:33 PM EDT
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I just wonder how our pro-Russian "conservatives" will take this. Will they keep up with the "Russians were always the good guys" idiocy?
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:34:21 PM EDT
[#7]
After US intelligence supplied the Ukes with targeting data for the Moskva, I don't think they will tolerate drones near their fleet.
Wagner maybe cannon fodder. A ship is serious bidness. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems kind of obvious, but as long as its in international airspace, its got every right to be there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which begs the question. Why was it there? Seems kind of obvious, but as long as its in international airspace, its got every right to be there. Of course it had the right to be there. That wasn’t my question though. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:36:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oddly enough that isn't what is happening but that never stops you from posting bullshit now does it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukie simps are jerking furiously over the prospect of escalation... Oddly enough? So normally the Ukie simps would be jerking furiously. Why not this time? |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:36:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a minute - I need to inventory my Survival Kit Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. O.K.! Good to Go! Shoot, A Fella’ Could Have A Pretty Good Weekend In Vegas With All That Stuff |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:36:26 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just wonder how our pro-Russian "conservatives" will take this. Will they keep up with the "Russians were always the good guys" idiocy?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:37:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I must have missed the part where we nuked Moscow & Beijing for supplying their weapons & more importantly their Troops to actively kill Americans in Korea & Cuba & Vietnam. In Korea - actual Russian Pilots in Russian Aircraft (Painted as N.K.) were shooting down American aircraft. In Korea - actual Chinese Troops (250,000 men) were sent in the winter of 1950 to maul the US troops with very heavy casualties In total about 3 million Chinese civilian and military personnel had served in Korea throughout the war. Did we Bomb Beijing or land amphibious forces on their coast? In Cuba - actual Russian air defense troops used a Russian SAM to shoot down a U-2 (killing the pilot) that was monitoring the Russian missile sites. Did we do anything? In Vietnam - actual Russian "Advisors" were boots on the ground operating the S.A.M. air defense batteries that show down US aircraft. Did we bomb Vladivostok? Merely supplying weapons & intelligence to an 'ally' is NOT the same as "Being at War" with their opponent. Russians may not like our drones flying in International Airspace. My suggestion is a big mystery cannister attached under the wings. If another Russian jet wants to get "jiggy wit it" and ram a US Drone by "accident". Set off massive self destruct charge (for safety as we can't have a out of control drone roaming around the Black Sea) and if said gigantic explosion takes out that Soviet aircraft ... - do it enough and eventually even the Russians will learn the lesson. You left out Russia capping JFK and the American response being to hide the evidence files from the public and even today are too scared to release them to the public. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:37:35 PM EDT
[#13]
Start sending up the drones in pairs or more to cover eachother from these kinds of shenanigans.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:38:20 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, boys, I reckon this is it. Nuclear combat toe-to-toe with the Ruskies.  |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:38:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems kind of obvious, but as long as its in international airspace, its got every right to be there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which begs the question. Why was it there? Seems kind of obvious, but as long as its in international airspace, its got every right to be there. Yep |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:39:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EUCOM OFFICIAL STATEMENT “Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft that was operating within international airspace over the Black Sea today. At approximately 7:03 AM (CET), one of the Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional. "Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9," said U.S. Air Force Gen. James B. Hecker, commander, U.S. Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa. "In fact, this unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians nearly caused both aircraft to crash." "U.S. and Allied aircraft will continue to operate in international airspace and we call on the Russians to conduct themselves professionally and safely, Hecker added. This incident follows a pattern of dangerous actions by Russian pilots while interacting with U.S. and Allied aircraft over international airspace, including over the Black Sea. These aggressive actions by Russian aircrew are dangerous and could lead to miscalculation and unintended escalation.” So if only one crashed and only the drone was reported to have dropped off radar... |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:39:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Missile cost vs balloon against fighter jet cost vs drone?
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:40:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course it had the right to be there. That wasn’t my question though. Surveillance, visual and electronic, would be my guess. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course it had the right to be there. That wasn’t my question though. What's the question? |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the question? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course it had the right to be there. That wasn’t my question though. What's the question? He recently (oddly) claimed that he has seen no evidence of any large scale conflicts or hostilities taking place there, so maybe the presence of intelligence gathering aircraft is confusing to him. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:45:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. Our backyard extends to the Russian border |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:45:36 PM EDT
[#22]
What did we do when the Chinese rammed our P3? What did we do when Iran stole our a advanced drone?
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:45:52 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oddly enough? So normally the Ukie simps would be jerking furiously. Why not this time? The odd part is that certain people keep jumping into threads like this and declaring things that aren't so. No one cares about your "head canon" (aka delusion) unless they share it. In which case, I think the rest of us who don't share it would prefer you just go find a private place to share your fantasies. Maybe play with model trains and have some imitation crab meat or whatever. Not my business. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:47:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You left out Russia capping JFK and the American response being to hide the evidence files from the public and even today are too scared to release them to the public. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I must have missed the part where we nuked Moscow & Beijing for supplying their weapons & more importantly their Troops to actively kill Americans in Korea & Cuba & Vietnam. In Korea - actual Russian Pilots in Russian Aircraft (Painted as N.K.) were shooting down American aircraft. In Korea - actual Chinese Troops (250,000 men) were sent in the winter of 1950 to maul the US troops with very heavy casualties In total about 3 million Chinese civilian and military personnel had served in Korea throughout the war. Did we Bomb Beijing or land amphibious forces on their coast? In Cuba - actual Russian air defense troops used a Russian SAM to shoot down a U-2 (killing the pilot) that was monitoring the Russian missile sites. Did we do anything? In Vietnam - actual Russian "Advisors" were boots on the ground operating the S.A.M. air defense batteries that show down US aircraft. Did we bomb Vladivostok? Merely supplying weapons & intelligence to an 'ally' is NOT the same as "Being at War" with their opponent. Russians may not like our drones flying in International Airspace. My suggestion is a big mystery cannister attached under the wings. If another Russian jet wants to get "jiggy wit it" and ram a US Drone by "accident". Set off massive self destruct charge (for safety as we can't have a out of control drone roaming around the Black Sea) and if said gigantic explosion takes out that Soviet aircraft ... - do it enough and eventually even the Russians will learn the lesson. You left out Russia capping JFK and the American response being to hide the evidence files from the public and even today are too scared to release them to the public. It seems more likely the CIA did it than the Russians. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:47:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Monitoring an ongoing situation. Pretty typical... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. Monitoring an ongoing situation. Pretty typical... Our logistics should be our only contribution, the Europussies should be supplying the cash and purchasing our hardware with their extreme wealth. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:48:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:49:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is really unfortunate that I don't believe that there was a collision. I simply don't believe anything our government says anymore. Was our drone taken out by Russia jets and we don't want to escalate so we're blaming it on a collision? bingo |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:49:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You left out Russia capping JFK and the American response being to hide the evidence files from the public and even today are too scared to release them to the public. I think the more modern theory is the russians were just a cover for our own IA involvement... |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:50:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He recently (oddly) claimed that he has seen no evidence of any large scale conflicts or hostilities taking place there, so maybe the presence of intelligence gathering aircraft is confusing to him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Of course it had the right to be there. That wasn’t my question though. What's the question? He recently (oddly) claimed that he has seen no evidence of any large scale conflicts or hostilities taking place there, so maybe the presence of intelligence gathering aircraft is confusing to him. It's pretty SOP and has been so since forever. We even had naval vessels observing the Russo-Japanese war, IIRC. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:50:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It does bring up questions of co-belligerency. In the case of the Soviets during the Cold War, we knew of their actions, and didn't publicize them (in most cases classifying the interactions) in our own political interest. Not because those actions were somehow "protected" in the general rule of warfare especially when they occurred in areas of active hostilities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Merely supplying weapons & intelligence to an ally is NOT the same as "Being at War" with their opponent. It does bring up questions of co-belligerency. In the case of the Soviets during the Cold War, we knew of their actions, and didn't publicize them (in most cases classifying the interactions) in our own political interest. Not because those actions were somehow "protected" in the general rule of warfare especially when they occurred in areas of active hostilities. We and the Russians both kept it on the downlow because we didn’t want millions in the streets demanding escalation of the war. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:50:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 'Cause I'm the motherfucker who started World War III ?  Predator Eulogy |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:51:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems more likely the CIA did it than the Russians. Either way Oswald had KGB assassination branch ties and the government feels the files are still too dangerous to make public. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:52:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Collision my ass, they shot it down.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:52:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I must have missed the part where we nuked Moscow & Beijing for supplying their weapons & more importantly their Troops to actively kill Americans in Korea & Cuba & Vietnam. In Korea - actual Russian Pilots in Russian Aircraft (Painted as N.K.) were shooting down American aircraft. In Korea - actual Chinese Troops (250,000 men) were sent in the winter of 1950 to maul the US troops with very heavy casualties In total about 3 million Chinese civilian and military personnel had served in Korea throughout the war. Did we Bomb Beijing or land amphibious forces on their coast? In Cuba - actual Russian air defense troops used a Russian SAM to shoot down a U-2 (killing the pilot) that was monitoring the Russian missile sites. Did we do anything? In Vietnam - actual Russian "Advisors" were boots on the ground operating the S.A.M. air defense batteries that show down US aircraft. Did we bomb Vladivostok? Merely supplying weapons & intelligence to an 'ally' is NOT the same as "Being at War" with their opponent. Russians may not like our drones flying in International Airspace. My suggestion is a big mystery cannister attached under the wings. If another Russian jet wants to get "jiggy wit it" and ram a US Drone by "accident". Set off massive self destruct charge (for safety as we can't have a out of control drone roaming around the Black Sea) and if said gigantic explosion takes out that Soviet aircraft ... - do it enough and eventually even the Russians will learn the lesson. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we are well past that. We are providing free weapons, training and picking targets. We are already at war, it is just a matter of escalation. Quoted: So like the Russians did in Korea and Vietnam. I must have missed the war. Quoted: We are doing multiples of what they were and acknowledging it in the media. Our leadership is really moronic. I must have missed the part where we nuked Moscow & Beijing for supplying their weapons & more importantly their Troops to actively kill Americans in Korea & Cuba & Vietnam. In Korea - actual Russian Pilots in Russian Aircraft (Painted as N.K.) were shooting down American aircraft. In Korea - actual Chinese Troops (250,000 men) were sent in the winter of 1950 to maul the US troops with very heavy casualties In total about 3 million Chinese civilian and military personnel had served in Korea throughout the war. Did we Bomb Beijing or land amphibious forces on their coast? In Cuba - actual Russian air defense troops used a Russian SAM to shoot down a U-2 (killing the pilot) that was monitoring the Russian missile sites. Did we do anything? In Vietnam - actual Russian "Advisors" were boots on the ground operating the S.A.M. air defense batteries that show down US aircraft. Did we bomb Vladivostok? Merely supplying weapons & intelligence to an 'ally' is NOT the same as "Being at War" with their opponent. Russians may not like our drones flying in International Airspace. My suggestion is a big mystery cannister attached under the wings. If another Russian jet wants to get "jiggy wit it" and ram a US Drone by "accident". Set off massive self destruct charge (for safety as we can't have a out of control drone roaming around the Black Sea) and if said gigantic explosion takes out that Soviet aircraft ... - do it enough and eventually even the Russians will learn the lesson. Lol, what? I don’t think you understand. Re-read my post and look up the word escalation in the dictionary. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:53:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Biden let the Chinese fly over the entire US before taking action.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:54:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the payback should be taking out the Russian's bridge into Ukraine.  We already took out their pipeline to Europe so might as well. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:54:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Now it’s a party!
The Russians are dumb as fuck. America will retaliate although it’ll probably be in the form of advances weapons to Ukraine. Splash a drone? Here’s another 10,000 corpses to send home to mom. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:54:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote History"They shot down a Predator, and I say send some more!" |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:55:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if you just collided with his 25mm projectiles.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not an aviation engineer, but I would think that a mid air collision would also bring down the Jet. I believe it’s armed with a 30mm gun. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:55:22 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only simps in this thread are the ones who support Russia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukie simps are jerking furiously over the prospect of escalation... The only simps in this thread are the ones who support Russia. There's a difference between supporting Russia and not supporting a proxy war, but you choose the strawman. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:55:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Gave it the ol’ Chinese balloon treatment.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:56:11 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Either way Oswald had KGB assassination branch ties and the government feels the files are still too dangerous to make public. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It seems more likely the CIA did it than the Russians. Either way Oswald had KGB assassination branch ties and the government feels the files are still too dangerous to make public. Agreed, for sure our government hid information. They are likely lying to us as well about this incident. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:56:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are Pentagon officials talking with reporters form Al-jezeera? What next, interviews with Pravda or TASS? I take it you do not read Al Jazeera. They tow the pentagon talking points with respect to Ukraine and have done so since the start of the conflict. TASS is obviously pro-Russian. Al-Jazeera...not so much. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:56:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's pretty SOP and has been so since forever. We even had naval vessels observing the Russo-Japanese war, IIRC. I think you missed the more important part of his statement. For context, someone (the Russians) put out a pretty retarded disinformation social media blurb a couple of weeks ago. "Why is there literally NO evidence of this supposed war in Ukraine?" Or words to that effect. Just hundreds of different twitter accounts, wordpress journalists, and others repeating the exact same quote in a short time frame. I wasn't aware we had anyone on arfcom who actually fell for it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:56:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our logistics should be our only contribution, the Europussies should be supplying the cash and purchasing our hardware with their extreme wealth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF are we doing flying drones over the Black Sea. Monitoring an ongoing situation. Pretty typical... Our logistics should be our only contribution, the Europussies should be supplying the cash and purchasing our hardware with their extreme wealth. Bingo |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:57:21 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just wonder how our pro-Russian "conservatives" will take this. Will they keep up with the "Russians were always the good guys" idiocy? |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:57:25 PM EDT
[#47]
More like Mossad
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems more likely the CIA did it than the Russians. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:57:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Live DOD presser on now.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:58:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Collision my ass, they shot it down. It’s was a collision. 2nd Russian jet came up from behind and hit the prop of the Reaper, then it glides into the water. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 2:58:44 PM EDT
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US European Command said two Russian Su-27 fighters intercepted the unmanned MQ-9 Reaper over international waters and one clipped its propeller.
“Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner,” it said. Absolutely Hilarious. 
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