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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:43:20 PM EST
Here's a gun topic for GD to argue over. Do you guys engage the safety on guns(mainly ARs) that allow it during mag changes? I know a lot of people do but I really don't see the need to. If I have an empty gun and need to keep shooting I think putting the safety on and then taking it back off is wasted movement and adds another thing in the mix to cause problems. I've tried it and eventually forget to disengage the safety at some point, but I've always trained to just keep my finger off the trigger and being left handed my trigger finger is being used to drop the mag so it's nowhere near the trigger.
People always say a manual safety on a fighting pistol is just one more thing to get you killed but when it comes to long guns they get all bent out of shape if the safety isn't on at all times when you're not shooting. ETA.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:44:30 PM EST
[#1]
Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no?
There's your answer |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:50:02 PM EST
[#2]
Off. Train how you fight.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:50:55 PM EST
[#3]
I only did it on USMC KD ranges because that is what we were taught and expected to do.
IRL, because I'm a lefty, my index finger is off the trigger because I use it to hit the bolt catch after a fresh mag is inserted. If I am not going to continue shooting at that time, then the safety goes on. Putting the safety on JUST for a mag change is wasted motion. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:51:01 PM EST
[#4]
I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:51:54 PM EST
[#5]
Depends. Am I in a firefight? Will I need to shoot again RFN? Then it's off. If I'm plinking/target shooting or on a busy range, it's on.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:52:24 PM EST
[#6]
Gun is empty, why put it on safe?
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:53:05 PM EST
[#7]
I feel like that became a step for reloading because of military and law enforcement training needing to baby everyone so no one shot the guy next to them.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:53:33 PM EST
[#8]
What safety?...
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:53:41 PM EST
[#9]
If I'm going to keep the gun pointed at the target it's not going on safe. If it's coming off target then it's on safe.
That's because it keeps my muscle memory simple: on target, off safe / off target, on safe in all situations |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:54:16 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. This is the correct answer….. this is what happens-the good, the bad, the ugly. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:54:55 PM EST
[#11]
Am in the the process of firing a shot? No, then the safety is on. This stuff isn’t difficult.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:55:31 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends. Am I in a firefight? Will I need to shoot again RFN? Then it's off. If I'm plinking/target shooting or on a busy range, it's on. This; situation dependent. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:56:14 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. 
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:57:06 PM EST
[#14]
Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:59:46 PM EST
[#15]
it was never on to begin with
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:00:56 PM EST
[#16]
Whatever DEVGRU does.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:02:33 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like that became a step for reloading because of military and law enforcement training needing to baby everyone so no one shot the guy next to them. We train with rifles the same way. Safety on is only at the end of a stage when the range officer gives the command. Some times we will use it in the stage if we are moving a lot as in a building clearing scenario. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:07:13 PM EST
[#18]
Keep the booger hook off the bang button unless you're on target.
Simple |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:08:29 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety. Came here to say this. Also not putting a safety on for a mag change with any other weapon, the gun is empty and I'm changing a mag so I can shoot more (presumably). |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:10:26 PM EST
[#20]
Only after I've slung my empty mag 87 feet and scanned left and right 180* will I engage the safety on my weapon system for a mag change.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:15:27 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. I'd agree. If you know what you're doing and can keep the muzzle pointed downrange, train how you fight. I get the safety aspect. That makes sense at ranges where you get some less experienced types. A range that has a bunch of holes in the firing line dividers and table probably has just cause to insist on maximum safety. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:19:34 PM EST
[#22]
Jesus, no.
Only time that safety goes back on is when the fight is over and all threats are verified defeated. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:20:34 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun is empty, why put it on safe? Tactical reload, why is your gun empty during a fight? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:20:57 PM EST
[#24]
I'm assuming you mean a dry/emergency reload not a top off. If so, it'll be off. But if topping off, it probably would be on. I flip it back on when not shooting.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:21:01 PM EST
[#25]
I could be a dumby, but its just muscle memory for me to flip on the safety whenever I am not looking through the sight and going to shoot. I do use a Radian Talon 45 degree safety which makes it much easier than a 90 degree.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:21:51 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:22:51 PM EST
[#27]
I don't think it's bad practice. Ever train with guys clearing/ moving while changing mags? Safety on is a nice reassurance that there's 1 less likely thing to shoot you in ass on accident. It's muscle memory and not really a hindrance. JMO of course, feel free to tell me I'm wrong
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:23:06 PM EST
[#28]
I took my safety out.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:24:32 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun is empty, why put it on safe? ^^This^^ Leave the "safety shall be engaged at all times" square range rules behind. David |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:24:45 PM EST
[#30]
If I was a pro, I would be fast enough to offset how long this would take me to add to my stroke.
However, as a normal dude, I train to reload like I do with handguns- no safety involved, but finger off the trigger and pointed in a safe direction. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:27:03 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:32:06 PM EST
[#32]
Off
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:36:29 PM EST
[#33]
Safety on. It keeps me consistent whether it's at bolt lock or I'm topping off. And it doesn't cost me any time.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:36:36 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid That. Retarded government nonsense. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:37:12 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it's bad practice. Ever train with guys clearing/ moving while changing mags? Safety on is a nice reassurance that there's 1 less likely thing to shoot you in ass on accident. It's muscle memory and not really a hindrance. JMO of course, feel free to tell me I'm wrong I'd want to find some new guys to work with if that was a concern. Mine is off for emergency mag changes. I'm also left handed and was stuck with non ambi safeties for a very long time. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:37:20 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I only did it on USMC KD ranges because that is what we were taught and expected to do. IRL, because I'm a lefty, my index finger is off the trigger because I use it to hit the bolt catch after a fresh mag is inserted. If I am not going to continue shooting at that time, then the safety goes on. Putting the safety on JUST for a mag change is wasted motion. Yeah, 300 yd rapid fire with a magazine change, I wouldn't put in on safe until finishing the string of fire. And whose bright idea was it to also require closing the ejection port cover? Those damned reservists were already slow enough, and adding two superfluous steps in the middle of a rapid fire string, only meant saved rounds. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:38:41 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming you mean a dry/emergency reload not a top off. If so, it'll be off. But if topping off, it probably would be on. I flip it back on when not shooting. Because changing your reload procedure is awesome when under stress. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:41:19 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd want to find some new guys to work with if that was a concern. Mine is off for emergency mag changes. I'm also left handed and was stuck with non ambi safeties for a very long time. Why? Do you feel that an accidental discharge with the muzzle in safe direction (as it should be, and is practiced with) is a reasonable trade off for training with people who don't flip safeties on? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:43:47 PM EST
[#39]
On.
Good habits aren't always easy. That's no excuse. If it "takes too long" get an ambi selector and use your trigger finger to go back on safe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety. Glocks have a manual safety. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:46:20 PM EST
[#40]
Which type of “mag change”?
A Combat/emergency reload (mag is empty)? Hell No!, shit is still likely going sideways….new mag ASAP… A tactical reload (swapping out a partial mag, saving the half empty one)? Yes, because this is done when things have calmed down a bit. A speed reload? (dropping partial mag, new one inserted) Probably not, but maybe. This is quite often done when moving to a new spot to shoot from. Not everyone teaches it. An admin load or specific range drill setup? Yes. Hopefully that makes sense. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:47:25 PM EST
[#41]
I’ve done a lot of mag changes and never once did the safety get involved. If your just swapping a fresh mag the safety is probably on. If your reloading from empty I suspect you need to start shooting right after. Basically if you’re reloading their is no reason to fuck with the safety, it will be where you need it when you’re done.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:48:32 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd want to find some new guys to work with if that was a concern. Mine is off for emergency mag changes. I'm also left handed and was stuck with non ambi safeties for a very long time. Change your grip and just use your left thumb. Easy as can be. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:48:57 PM EST
[#43]
Yes
18Z50 |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:51:09 PM EST
[#44]
On is procedurally correct. Realistically I don't see myself training it enough to actually do it.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:52:27 PM EST
[#45]
Unlike most of GD, I'm extremely safe. The obvious answer is safety on, if I'm drinking anything other than light beer.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:52:59 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm going to keep the gun pointed at the target it's not going on safe. If it's coming off target then it's on safe. That's because it keeps my muscle memory simple: on target, off safe / off target, on safe in all situations Serious question here... Do you do the same with every firearm that has a safety (including bolt rifles, pistols, and shotguns), or just with an AR? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:55:05 PM EST
[#47]
"Gun people" are some of the most anal retentive people I know.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:55:35 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Am in the the process of firing a shot? No, then the safety is on. This stuff isn’t difficult. +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That’s how it’s taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:56:48 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Gun people" are some of the most anal retentive people I know. I just wish op had asked about clip changes. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:57:37 PM EST
[#50]
I wouldn't know.
I don't carry a personal protection pistol with a safety. Just saying. |
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