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Posted: 6/16/2023 9:58:46 PM EST
[#1]
I've never even considered putting the safety on for mag changes. Seems pointless to me.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:01:37 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tactical reload, why is your gun empty during a fight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gun is empty, why put it on safe? Tactical reload, why is your gun empty during a fight? Tactical reload happens after the fight, in preperation for another fight. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:01:52 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That's how it's taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:03:38 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because changing your reload procedure is awesome when under stress. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:03:38 PM EST
[#5]
If I plan to or am very likely to keep shooting, safety off.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:05:16 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no? There's your answer I don't really care unless they're pointing their rifle at me, which would mean we have much bigger safety issues to address first. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:06:26 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On. Good habits aren't always easy. That's no excuse. If it "takes too long" get an ambi selector and use your trigger finger to go back on safe. Glocks have a manual safety. Quote HistoryQuoted: On. Good habits aren't always easy. That's no excuse. If it "takes too long" get an ambi selector and use your trigger finger to go back on safe. Quoted: Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety. Glocks have a manual safety. +1 This is how I was taught. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:06:57 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who's changing anything? They're two totally separate types of reloads and used in totally separate instances. And if you’re doing it fast adding unnecessary administrative movements is going to be awesome. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:07:13 PM EST
[#9]
If I'm on the firing line and pointed downrange, safety off.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:09:26 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid this safety on EMPTY gun? fuck that nonsense. top it off, then safety if the shooting has stopped. Plus, if the gun went click on an empty mag, most AR's wont go into safe. Just wasted time. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:10:15 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That’s how it’s taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Am in the the process of firing a shot? No, then the safety is on. This stuff isn’t difficult. +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That’s how it’s taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety. Quoted: Quoted: On. Good habits aren't always easy. That's no excuse. If it "takes too long" get an ambi selector and use your trigger finger to go back on safe. Quoted: Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety. Glocks have a manual safety. +1 This is how I was taught. Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with AR safeties. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:11:33 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no? There's your answer |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:15:04 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with ARs. I'm not everyone, but I do. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:16:06 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with ARs. For the most part yes, I will engage the safety on a shotgun when I take it off target. If I’m feeding rounds in while maintaining the shotgun in the ready and on target, probably not. The ARs safety does lend itself to engage/disengaging, so why wouldn’t you utilize it? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:17:27 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep the booger hook off the bang button unless you're on target. Simple BINGO. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:18:55 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with AR safeties. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:19:39 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is Pat Mac's reasoning too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no? There's your answer I thought this was the new standard, safety on during reloads. And, I thought this was discussed and rehashed at least 5 years ago. I also remember a discussion about this during an old Primary/Secondary podcast and even some of the guys that were trained not to do it agree that they should do it.  Pat McNamara: Why Your Carbine Should Be on 'Safe' During a Mag Change |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:21:47 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ARs safety does lend itself to engage/disengaging, so why wouldn’t you utilize it? Because it seems unnecessary to me. 
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:21:54 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tactical reload happens after the fight, in preperation for another fight. This is correct. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:24:21 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you follow the same rules shooting this rifle? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/sp10_phatch_jpg-2854079.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That's how it's taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/sp10_phatch_jpg-2854079.JPG Yes. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:25:55 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought this was the new standard, safety on during reloads. And, I thought this was discussed and rehashed at least 5 years ago. I also remember a discussion about this during an old Primary/Secondary podcast and even some of the guys that were trained not to do it agree that they should do it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjse5gepntEThis sums it up for me perfectly |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:26:14 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with AR safeties. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am in the the process of firing a shot? No, then the safety is on. This stuff isn’t difficult. +1 1) Sights 2) Safety, off 3) Trigger, finger on 4) Trigger, fingers off 5) Safety, on 6) Lower sights and re-assess That’s how it’s taught at Sig Sauer Academy. Safety is on and finger is off the trigger until your sights are on the target. This is of course for firearms that have a safety. Quoted: Quoted: On. Good habits aren't always easy. That's no excuse. If it "takes too long" get an ambi selector and use your trigger finger to go back on safe. Quoted: Glocks don't need no stinking manual safety. Glocks have a manual safety. +1 This is how I was taught. Just curious, but what about other firearms, like shotguns for instance? I can't help but wonder if everyone here manipulates the crossbolt safety on an 870 as fervently as they do with AR safeties. Yes! I duck hunt and follow the same procedure. I’m usually shooting a Benelli Super Black Eagle II but have used a Winchester pump action. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:27:18 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the most part yes, I will engage the safety on a shotgun when I take it off target. If I'm feeding rounds in while maintaining the shotgun in the ready and on target, probably not. The ARs safety does lend itself to engage/disengaging, so why wouldn't you utilize it? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:29:24 PM EST
[#24]
None of the handguns that I do any real training with even have a manual safety that I could engage if I wanted to, so I don't really see the point of bothering with it on my rifles either.
ETA: in regards to the shotgun thing: spend some time at a trap/skeep/clays range, you won't see anyone using a safety, even walking on and off the firing line. You either have the muzzle downrange with a round in the chamber, or the action open anywhere else. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:32:30 PM EST
[#25]
It's only fair. The people who will be shooting at you will safety their weapons and if very courteous often wait until you complete your magazine change before resumption of fire.
I mean that is standard right? |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:34:28 PM EST
[#26]
I shoot 1911's.
Safety is always on in the holster, and always off out of the holster. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:35:23 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no? There's your answer I'd not like others around me to do such a ridiculous and unnecessary thing. Let me know how applying the safety on your glock during mag changes works out for you. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:46:23 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the handguns that I do any real training with even have a manual safety that I could engage if I wanted to, so I don't really see the point of bothering with it on my rifles either. ETA: in regards to the shotgun thing: spend some time at a trap/skeep/clays range, you won't see anyone using a safety, even walking on and off the firing line. You either have the muzzle downrange with a round in the chamber, or the action open anywhere else. Well way to be completely contrary to the vast majority of training in the US military and LE… Learn to use the safety. Take some rifle classes. Big boy rules only apply after skills are actually in place and everyone is at least well above average. Not sure I would use a bunch of fudd skeet or trap shooters as a good example of safe firearms users either, based on what I have seen (and what you describe yourself…) |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:50:22 PM EST
[#29]
With an AR, the safety comes off as part of the process of taking a shot and goes back on when not taking a shot. When reloading in your workspace, the muzzle is not on target. When the muzzle is not on target, the safety should be on. If you're not shooting (and you're not, because your AR is empty), you should be seeking a better position while reloading, which means you should be moving. When you're moving, your safety should be on (unless you're taking a shot, and you're not because your AR is empty).
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:52:57 PM EST
[#30]
Unless I'm shooting the safety is on, on an AR-15 style weapon.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 10:52:59 PM EST
[#31]
I have a friend that trains safety on until ready to fire while doing tactical rifle drills. Like as in sweeping a simulated room safety on then safety fire safety back on. To me thats just nuts. In a live fire drill im safety off until the scene is safe.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:00:14 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If your car had a hand brake would you engage it every time you park the car on a flat surface? I thought we were talking about using modern carbines. If the rifle isn’t on target or in the process of being fired, the safety is on. It doesn’t take additional time, nor if you are practiced does it really require any thought, it’s just part of the process. This has been the standard for decades. From basic training all the way to CAG assaulters, there isn’t some crazy concept. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:00:49 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a friend that trains safety on until ready to fire while doing tactical rifle drills. Like as in sweeping a simulated room safety on then safety fire safety back on. To me thats just nuts. In a live fire drill im safety off until the scene is safe. Your friend is right. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:03:15 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. So on. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:09:02 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a friend that trains safety on until ready to fire while doing tactical rifle drills. Like as in sweeping a simulated room safety on then safety fire safety back on. To me thats just nuts. In a live fire drill im safety off until the scene is safe. Nuts is moving through a complex environment full of trip hazards, bump hazards, and friendlys with your safety off just because you might have to take a shot at some point. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:14:20 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought this was the new standard, safety on during reloads. And, I thought this was discussed and rehashed at least 5 years ago. I also remember a discussion about this during an old Primary/Secondary podcast and even some of the guys that were trained not to do it agree that they should do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjse5gepntEQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you want everyone around you to put it on safe or no? There's your answer I thought this was the new standard, safety on during reloads. And, I thought this was discussed and rehashed at least 5 years ago. I also remember a discussion about this during an old Primary/Secondary podcast and even some of the guys that were trained not to do it agree that they should do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjse5gepntEI attended his 3 day carbine class years back. I remember the discussion on this. Being a good student, I listened and followed his instruction. I have to admit, it was difficult to do. I had not done in in so many years of operating a Carbine, that I had to make an extra effort to do it. I still don't do it all the time, but try to incorporate it into my training. But honestly, I'm not beating myself up too bad if I don't. Because I'm still not pointing the barrel (of my empty gun) at anything I'm willing to destroy during the reload, and I don't run around with a bunch of armed guys in tight spaces anymore. On a partial mag change, yes, I move the selector to safe during that operation. But on a bolt lacked back, gun empty reload. I'm not. |
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:17:20 PM EST
[#37]
Do you put the safety on between shots?
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Posted: 6/16/2023 11:57:19 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me know how applying the safety on your glock during mag changes works out for you. Unless you're keeping your finger on the trigger during mag changes, you are putting the Glock on safe.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 12:01:41 AM EST
[#39]
Other than a grip or thumb safety in a 1911, I never use them.
*thisismysafety* |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:24:44 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:26:23 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought we were talking about using modern carbines. If the rifle isn't on target or in the process of being fired, the safety is on. It doesn't take additional time, nor if you are practiced does it really require any thought, it's just part of the process. This has been the standard for decades. From basic training all the way to CAG assaulters, there isn't some crazy concept. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:26:50 AM EST
[#42]
Pat MacNamara has a video arguing that the safety should be engaged during mag changes. I don't but if I get drafted into Delta Force I'll do as ordered
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:28:01 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you're keeping your finger on the trigger during mag changes, you are putting the Glock on safe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177643/maxresdefault__1__jpg-2854178.JPG |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:34:38 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends. Am I in a firefight? Will I need to shoot again RFN? Then it's off. If I'm plinking/target shooting or on a busy range, it's on. You train how you fight. Your muscle memory alone will determine how you fight in an actual fight. If you engage the safety while changing mags when training, you will do the same when fighting. To answer OP’s question, I’ve never taken a single class in which a single instructor thought it was a good idea to engage the safety on mag changes. Totally violates economy of action, and introduces an unnecessary failure point. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:37:38 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve never taken a single class in which a single instructor thought it was a good idea to engage the safety on mag changes. You should get better instructors. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:45:10 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should get better instructors. I guarantee they’re all more qualified than you
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Posted: 6/17/2023 1:57:00 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guarantee they’re all more qualified than you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You should get better instructors. I guarantee they’re all more qualified than you Doesn't preclude them from teaching stupid shit. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 2:00:45 AM EST
[#48]
Bolt to the rear (speed reloads)? OFF
Bolt forward, round chambered (tactical reload) ON |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 2:06:15 AM EST
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Posted: 6/17/2023 2:09:33 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my rifle of choice. Do I still follow safety on or off during mag changes? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/PSA-Type-56-feature_jpg-2854233.JPG Do you have a round chambered? If not, swap mags, chamber a round, then safety on. If so, safety on, swap mags. If thinking is too hard, you shouldn't be shooting. |
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