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Link Posted: 11/27/2020 12:54:50 PM EST
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For those who just use motor oil, does it provide similar lube performance and corrosion protection in different environments that CLP has to?

http://everyspec.com/MIL-PRF/MIL-PRF-030000-79999/download.php?spec=MIL-PRF-63460F.055745.pdf
3.4 Environmental requirements.        
3.4.1  Humidity resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on all three panels (combined) is not greater than three after 900 hours exposure in a humidity cabinet. No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.    
3.4.2 Salt-spray resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on each test panel is not greater than three after 100hours exposure to a spray of 5 % salt solution.  No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.          
3.4.3 Water displacement and water stability.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall displace water so that there is no evidence of rust spots, staining or pitting due to corrosion on the test panels after storage in the static humidity chamber for one hour.  

3.5 Operating requirements.
3.5.1 Firing residue removal.  CLP shall provide cleaning capability to remove a minimum average of 40% of the residue generated from the ignition of WC 844 propellant.        
3.5.2  Weapon performance.  CLP shall provide cleaning, lubricating and preservative characteristics to support operating requirements of the MACHINE GUN, 5.56 MILLIMETER: M249, when exposed to the following conditions.        
3.5.2.1 Cold temperature.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to severe cold for 18 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rounds per minute (rpm).    
3.5.2.2 Dust environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to very fine blowing dust for 50 minutes shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than fiveClass I stoppages in 500 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.    
3.5.2.3 Salt-spray environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.
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Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:12:27 PM EST
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RTFM

TM 9-1005-249-10
  Chapter 3
     Section 1
Subsection A & B
A.  Lighty Lubricate. A film of oil barely visible to the eye.
B.  Generously Lubricate.  Heavy enough so that it can be spread with the finger.

Do it by the book, and if you still have problems, it ain't with the lube.

FWIW, I was Field Artillery, so we had to clean and maintain everything from 155mm cannons to pistols.  We got our CLP in gallon jugs, and everything was lubricated by the book.  Never had any problems.  Sure, we would get a new Lt that wanted  "white glove" clean, he was shown that manual and respectfully told to go away.  And to those that hate to clean your weapons, imagine pushing a coffee can size brush down 17 feet of barrel to get it squeaky clean.  Takes 5 guys all morning, a few gallons of CLP and a whole trash bag of old t shirts.
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Then you’ve got to fire & lube patch it five times so it doesn’t get copper fouling.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:21:24 PM EST
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I've enjoyed and learned much from his vids.

I've always lightly lubed my ARs so this vid made me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTpWfjVFfEU
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Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:32:41 PM EST
[#4]
I like this article. Lube 101
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:33:40 PM EST
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Eta: overlubed enter button.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:37:23 PM EST
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You wouldn't have had that malfunction if you dunked your entire bolt carrier assembly in oil.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:39:25 PM EST
[#7]
Holy too much lube
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 1:45:58 PM EST
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I realize that 'too much lube' is a thing, but I have seen people hand me their self-defense ARs and I have opened the action to be greeted with that burnt-anodizing smell that comes from an AR having ZERO lube on it. And I've seen high-dollar ARs taken to the range with ZERO lube and they won't run five rounds before the owner is frustrated and I'm walking up the firing line looking for a bottle of oil to help them.

I am convinced that a huge reason so many mass shooters fail or end prematurely is because they buy an AR and try to run it dry during a mass shooting, leading to a malfunction that either stops them or gives LEOs a chance to stop them.

Link Posted: 11/27/2020 2:19:32 PM EST
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I think I’ll just plumb up some QD fill and drain fittings to my safe and have a beer while the oil recycle pump runs...
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 2:36:12 PM EST
[#10]
All that effort and he neglected filling the gas tube with grease? Easily giving up 2-300fps and it could wear prematurely
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 3:14:28 PM EST
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Then you've got to fire & lube patch it five times so it doesn't get copper fouling.
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TM 9-1005-249-10
  Chapter 3
     Section 1
Subsection A & B
A.  Lighty Lubricate. A film of oil barely visible to the eye.
B.  Generously Lubricate.  Heavy enough so that it can be spread with the finger.

Do it by the book, and if you still have problems, it ain't with the lube.

FWIW, I was Field Artillery, so we had to clean and maintain everything from 155mm cannons to pistols.  We got our CLP in gallon jugs, and everything was lubricated by the book.  Never had any problems.  Sure, we would get a new Lt that wanted  "white glove" clean, he was shown that manual and respectfully told to go away.  And to those that hate to clean your weapons, imagine pushing a coffee can size brush down 17 feet of barrel to get it squeaky clean.  Takes 5 guys all morning, a few gallons of CLP and a whole trash bag of old t shirts.


Then you've got to fire & lube patch it five times so it doesn't get copper fouling.
We did get copper fouling in the 155mm, coming off the driving band.  When it would rain, the water would wash a blue slimy goo out of the breach and into the swab bucket.  We called it smurf jizz.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 4:26:14 PM EST
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@Foxtrot08

How do these numbers for current CLP compare to motor oil for gun use?

Properties: Values
Flash Point min: 65C (149F)
Pour Point max: -59C (-74F)
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent) @+40C (104F), min: 14.0cSt
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent evaporated) @-40C (-40F), max: 5000cSt *(See 6.7)
Wear Preventive Characteristics, avg., Scar Diameter, max: 0.8mm
Load Carrying Capacity, Jaw Load, min: 500lbs

*6.7 Cold temperature viscosity.  Candidate suppliers should note that although the maximum cold temperature viscosity is stated at 5000 cSt in TABLE I, viscosities in excess of 3700 cSt may result in failures during live-fire weapons testing.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 4:38:54 PM EST
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How do these numbers for current CLP compare to motor oil for gun use?

Properties: Values
Flash Point min: 65C (149F)
Pour Point max: -59C (-74F)
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent) @+40C (104F), min: 14.0cSt
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent evaporated) @-40C (-40F), max: 5000cSt *(See 6.7)
Wear Preventive Characteristics, avg., Scar Diameter, max: 0.8mm
Load Carrying Capacity, Jaw Load, min: 500lbs

*6.7 Cold temperature viscosity.  Candidate suppliers should note that although the maximum cold temperature viscosity is stated at 5000 cSt in TABLE I, viscosities in excess of 3700 cSt may result in failures during live-fire weapons testing.
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It is extremely light, with a high flash point.

This is a full synthetic 5w30:
SAE Grade5W-30
Specific Gravity @ 60°F0.851
Density, lbs/gal @ 60°F7.09
Color, ASTM D15003
Flash Point (COC), °C (°F)235 (455)
Pour Point, °C (°F)-40 (-40)
Viscosity, Kinematic
cSt @ 40°C61.2
cSt @ 100°C10.9
Viscosity Index171
Cold Cranking Viscosity, cP4900
°C(-30)
High-Temp/High-Shear Viscosity
cP @ 150°C3
Sulfated Ash, ASTM D874, wt %1.02
Total Base Number (TBN), ASTM D28968.6
Phosphorus, wt %0.077
Titanium, wt %0.01
Zinc, wt %0.085

So as you can see, the CLP pour point is significantly lower - -59F vs -40F.
Flash point of 149F vs 455F
cSt @40C: 14 cst vs 61.2 cst



CLP is a light base oil, heavily cut with solvent.  Thus a cleaning agent, and a lubricant. The solvent cooks off fast, even at room temps.   Where as motor oil, isn't a cleaner in a sense, it's a lubricant.


I'm a big believer that a cleaner is a cleaner, a lubricant is a lubricant.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 4:42:41 PM EST
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What's wrong with a little LSR I've always had good luck with it, but then I don't go hog wiled with it either.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 4:47:05 PM EST
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I think Chad and his SOTAR group are the most pompous group of high functioning autists I've ever witnessed.

The over whelming majority of bullshit he tries "gauging" is fucking pointless, but morons that don't know any better eat it up.

If you want a precision machine, buy a mechanical watch.  If you buy a gun, shoot the fucking thing.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 4:54:37 PM EST
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Getting ready to change into someone more comfortable. Name changes coming.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 6:13:00 PM EST
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I have followed this guy for quite some time. Seems to know his stuff. Saying that this has to be a joke. No way anyone would use this much lube.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 7:02:47 PM EST
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I have followed this guy for quite some time. Seems to know his stuff. Saying that this has to be a joke. No way anyone would use this much lube.
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About 6 months ago when he did an even more stupid lube video he got mega butthurt over the comments and killed his channel for a while before bringing it back.

I think he's serious.

I like his service and gaging videos.  I'm gonna take lube advice from someone who knows more (like me apparently) because that lube video is pants on head 'tarded.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 7:12:19 PM EST
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It is extremely light, with a high flash point.

This is a full synthetic 5w30:
SAE Grade5W-30
Specific Gravity @ 60F0.851
Density, lbs/gal @ 60F7.09
Color, ASTM D15003
Flash Point (COC), C (F)235 (455)
Pour Point, C (F)-40 (-40)
Viscosity, Kinematic
cSt @ 40C61.2
cSt @ 100C10.9
Viscosity Index171
Cold Cranking Viscosity, cP4900
C(-30)
High-Temp/High-Shear Viscosity
cP @ 150C3
Sulfated Ash, ASTM D874, wt %1.02
Total Base Number (TBN), ASTM D28968.6
Phosphorus, wt %0.077
Titanium, wt %0.01
Zinc, wt %0.085

So as you can see, the CLP pour point is significantly lower - -59F vs -40F.
Flash point of 149F vs 455F
cSt @40C: 14 cst vs 61.2 cst



CLP is a light base oil, heavily cut with solvent.  Thus a cleaning agent, and a lubricant. The solvent cooks off fast, even at room temps.   Where as motor oil, isn't a cleaner in a sense, it's a lubricant.


I'm a big believer that a cleaner is a cleaner, a lubricant is a lubricant.
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How do these numbers for current CLP compare to motor oil for gun use?

Properties: Values
Flash Point min: 65C (149F)
Pour Point max: -59C (-74F)
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent) @+40C (104F), min: 14.0cSt
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent evaporated) @-40C (-40F), max: 5000cSt *(See 6.7)
Wear Preventive Characteristics, avg., Scar Diameter, max: 0.8mm
Load Carrying Capacity, Jaw Load, min: 500lbs

*6.7 Cold temperature viscosity.  Candidate suppliers should note that although the maximum cold temperature viscosity is stated at 5000 cSt in TABLE I, viscosities in excess of 3700 cSt may result in failures during live-fire weapons testing.


It is extremely light, with a high flash point.

This is a full synthetic 5w30:
SAE Grade5W-30
Specific Gravity @ 60F0.851
Density, lbs/gal @ 60F7.09
Color, ASTM D15003
Flash Point (COC), C (F)235 (455)
Pour Point, C (F)-40 (-40)
Viscosity, Kinematic
cSt @ 40C61.2
cSt @ 100C10.9
Viscosity Index171
Cold Cranking Viscosity, cP4900
C(-30)
High-Temp/High-Shear Viscosity
cP @ 150C3
Sulfated Ash, ASTM D874, wt %1.02
Total Base Number (TBN), ASTM D28968.6
Phosphorus, wt %0.077
Titanium, wt %0.01
Zinc, wt %0.085

So as you can see, the CLP pour point is significantly lower - -59F vs -40F.
Flash point of 149F vs 455F
cSt @40C: 14 cst vs 61.2 cst



CLP is a light base oil, heavily cut with solvent.  Thus a cleaning agent, and a lubricant. The solvent cooks off fast, even at room temps.   Where as motor oil, isn't a cleaner in a sense, it's a lubricant.


I'm a big believer that a cleaner is a cleaner, a lubricant is a lubricant.

@Foxtrot08

ok, interesting.
Would that synthetic 5w-30 have any issues meeting the CLP corrosion or operating requirements?

3.4 Environmental requirements.
     
3.4.1  Humidity resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on all three panels (combined) is not greater than three after 900 hours exposure in a humidity cabinet. No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.    

3.4.2 Salt-spray resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on each test panel is not greater than three after 100hours exposure to a spray of 5 % salt solution.  No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.          

3.4.3 Water displacement and water stability.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall displace water so that there is no evidence of rust spots, staining or pitting due to corrosion on the test panels after storage in the static humidity chamber for one hour.

3.5 Operating requirements.

3.5.2.1 Cold temperature.  
CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to severe cold [-60F] for 18 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rounds per minute (rpm).
     
3.5.2.2 Dust environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to very fine blowing dust for 50 minutes shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than five Class I stoppages in 500 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.    

3.5.2.3 Salt-spray environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.

CLP Spec pdf
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ok, interesting.
Would that synthetic 5w-30 have any issues meeting the CLP corrosion or operating requirements?

3.4 Environmental requirements.
     
3.4.1  Humidity resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on all three panels (combined) is not greater than three after 900 hours exposure in a humidity cabinet. No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.    

3.4.2 Salt-spray resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on each test panel is not greater than three after 100hours exposure to a spray of 5 % salt solution.  No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.          

3.4.3 Water displacement and water stability.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall displace water so that there is no evidence of rust spots, staining or pitting due to corrosion on the test panels after storage in the static humidity chamber for one hour.

3.5 Operating requirements.

3.5.2.1 Cold temperature.  
CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to severe cold for 18 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rounds per minute (rpm).
     
3.5.2.2 Dust environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to very fine blowing dust for 50 minutes shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than five Class I stoppages in 500 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.    

3.5.2.3 Salt-spray environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.

CLP Spec pdf
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How do these numbers for current CLP compare to motor oil for gun use?

Properties: Values
Flash Point min: 65C (149F)
Pour Point max: -59C (-74F)
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent) @+40C (104F), min: 14.0cSt
Viscosity, Kinematic (w/solvent evaporated) @-40C (-40F), max: 5000cSt *(See 6.7)
Wear Preventive Characteristics, avg., Scar Diameter, max: 0.8mm
Load Carrying Capacity, Jaw Load, min: 500lbs

*6.7 Cold temperature viscosity.  Candidate suppliers should note that although the maximum cold temperature viscosity is stated at 5000 cSt in TABLE I, viscosities in excess of 3700 cSt may result in failures during live-fire weapons testing.


It is extremely light, with a high flash point.

This is a full synthetic 5w30:
SAE Grade5W-30
Specific Gravity @ 60F0.851
Density, lbs/gal @ 60F7.09
Color, ASTM D15003
Flash Point (COC), C (F)235 (455)
Pour Point, C (F)-40 (-40)
Viscosity, Kinematic
cSt @ 40C61.2
cSt @ 100C10.9
Viscosity Index171
Cold Cranking Viscosity, cP4900
C(-30)
High-Temp/High-Shear Viscosity
cP @ 150C3
Sulfated Ash, ASTM D874, wt %1.02
Total Base Number (TBN), ASTM D28968.6
Phosphorus, wt %0.077
Titanium, wt %0.01
Zinc, wt %0.085

So as you can see, the CLP pour point is significantly lower - -59F vs -40F.
Flash point of 149F vs 455F
cSt @40C: 14 cst vs 61.2 cst



CLP is a light base oil, heavily cut with solvent.  Thus a cleaning agent, and a lubricant. The solvent cooks off fast, even at room temps.   Where as motor oil, isn't a cleaner in a sense, it's a lubricant.


I'm a big believer that a cleaner is a cleaner, a lubricant is a lubricant.

@Foxtrot08

ok, interesting.
Would that synthetic 5w-30 have any issues meeting the CLP corrosion or operating requirements?

3.4 Environmental requirements.
     
3.4.1  Humidity resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on all three panels (combined) is not greater than three after 900 hours exposure in a humidity cabinet. No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.    

3.4.2 Salt-spray resistance.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall protect the panels so that the total number of corrosion dots on each test panel is not greater than three after 100hours exposure to a spray of 5 % salt solution.  No single corrosion dot shall exceed one millimeter in length, width, or diameter.          

3.4.3 Water displacement and water stability.  CLP, applied to three test panels, shall displace water so that there is no evidence of rust spots, staining or pitting due to corrosion on the test panels after storage in the static humidity chamber for one hour.

3.5 Operating requirements.

3.5.2.1 Cold temperature.  
CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to severe cold for 18 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rounds per minute (rpm).
     
3.5.2.2 Dust environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to very fine blowing dust for 50 minutes shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than five Class I stoppages in 500 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.    

3.5.2.3 Salt-spray environments.  CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of not less than 650 rpm.

CLP Spec pdf



Anything I say here is off the cuff, 718pm est, off the clock, uneducated guess waiting for my pre work out to kick in before I lift.


My guess is a well formulated CLP will probably be better than motor oil in those tests.

Reasons why:

1.  Engine oil is not designed to be in a salt spray environment or a humid environment. It’s designed to resist heat, oxidation and clean varnish caused by heat and oxidation.

Your engine is not a humid place. You have parts that maintain an operating temperature of above 300F.  You have other parts that can sustain 600f+ for periods of times.  (Such as the inside of a turbo.)

This means any water is going to be splash vaporized and go out a breather.  

And getting massive amounts of salty water inside of your engine?  That is certainly doom.  


2. Cold flow testing requirements. A traditional group 2 / group 3 based engine oil, will have a cold flow of around -40F.  This is pretty industry standard.  Plus/minus a few degrees.

Pushing down to -59f or more? You’re going to need a PAO/ester.  See redline.  This means your product cost goes up.

A CLP needs solvent in it to clean. Thus the C in clp. So it can make that cold flow part work pretty inexpensively.



Now; the dusty environment? Motor oil would probably do fine in. Assuming same application rate.



So there’s my .02.  


That being said, not all CLPs are made equal. There was a diy YouTube video done with a salt spray test. Not many CLPs performed well.
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1.  You and I thought about the same thing.  I brought that up as the concept of what sling lubrication should be.  The oil splashed up, then drips back down into the holding area, only to be cycled back up.  

In a firearm, the slinging effect just means it’s gone.  Could be somewhere good like splashing into the buffer tube.  Or could be blown out onto your cheek through the charging handle. Or maybe just into the chamber and burned off.  Or yeeted into the atmosphere out of the ejection port.  Who knows! It’s not a controlled situation like a rear axle, where sling lubrication works properly.  


2.  The Lucas marine would work. Probably a tad bit heavy but would certainly work for room temperature ranges down to freezing.  Below 0f would be a different story.  

3. The green grease is sorta regarded as a marketing myth.  They claim it’s a “multi soap base”. So lithium and calcium.  They also say it’s “compatible with all greases.” Which... is a lie.

So stick with the Lucas marine.
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Also, I got about 45 seconds into the video closed it.  Guy sounded smart until he mentioned viscosity of the product he made and how much he was spending on gun oils.


For the “thousands of dollars” he supposedly spent on gun oils, he could of bought a drum of full synthetic motor oil. And cleaned a gun after every round for years to come.  Just because you’re an idiot doesn’t mean you need to announce it online.


The dude knows more about the technical design and function of the AR than pretty much anyone.

However his lubrication ideas are ridiculous.



Perhaps he does. But lacking knowledge in the fundamentals of lubrication means you don’t understand technical design.

See my link earlier.


The AR platform, along with majority of firearms, are a “way action” - or a sliding action.  Way lubricants are what you would use to combat this in an industrial application.

Firearms, where the moving parts are, do not get extremely hot in the scheme of things. Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to hold the firearm.  

The secondary to that, is shock. Firearms move fast and have a high shock load.  Every time the round fires, recoil, etc.


Third is contamination.

Loop in the fact the firearm is not a closed loop system. Meaning, the oil isn’t contained and reused. It’s a single use product.  Not like say a engine where the oil is filtered and cooled.

By doing what he is doing, first off:

He has no idea what the hell he’s making or why he’s even doing it. He might have an idea on the macro level. But he’s defeating a lot of the purpose of a lubricant. A lubricant is supposed to reduce friction.  

So he’s combining a 220 base oil lithium grease, with either a 5w or 0w oil. Which is going to be 100 base oil or 70 base oil respectively.

To make what? A thicker product with lithium in it? And a tackifier?

Just use a wayoil 32 and save some money.

Secondly, you’re filling space up with the grease to make a barrier lubricant, in a sliding situation. This is actually going to increase friction over a properly spec’d lubricant.  You don’t need a heavy lubricant like a grease in most firearms because the tolerances don’t call for it.

Which we could then have the conversation of tolerances, grease and contamination.  But I think you see the point.

Third. As the military learned, I don’t know, a 100 fucking years ago, lithium based greases are bad as gun greases. Which is why the military used calcium based greases for their gun greases dating back before WW2.

Lithium greases hold 1 to 1 water.  So 1 oz of grease will hold 1 oz of water.  This is bad for corrosion resistance. As you’re relying on the corrosion inhibitors to protect metals instead of removing the problem, which is water.  Calcium based greases hold .25 to 1.  So 1 oz of grease will hold .25 oz of water. This combats the issue of just not letting water in.


I can go on but it’s midnight. I think my point has been made that his technical knowledge on lubricants is ignorant at best.  And with that his technical knowledge on firearms, leaves me skeptical.  


The lithium grease corrosion discussion is new to me. I'm pretty sure the grease I've been using is probably lithium based.

I think the tolerances part of the conversation is something one can eyeball to an extent. A Dan Wesson, Nighthawk, or a tighter space like where a bolt sits in a BCG is obviously not where you'd want a grease. But much looser areas? Why not?

"Way oil" sounds interesting, but they don't seem to sell it anywhere consumer facing.



Why have a grease in an area not designed for grease?


Here’s a good read of grease vs oil.

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/923/grease-oil


My opinion, take it for what it’s worth, which is some asshole on the internet. That doesn’t make money off YouTube or have any reason to be e-famous.

1. Again, a firearm isn’t a closed system. Or semi closed system. You’re going to get a ton of contaminants in it.  That’s just a function of a firearm in use.  So cleaning regularly is recommended maintenance.

2.  Grease, like oil, won’t stay where you want it to in an open system like a firearm. Sure, it’s more tacky.  But it’s going to sling just like oil.  Why/how? Well, most of the time because it’s about 60-70% oil anyways. Just a heavy oil.

3.  Grease can cause fiction, instead of reducing it in the wrong application.

4.  Grease comes with it’s own set of issues.  Such as oil bleed off.  The oil that grease is formulated with, will separate out from the grease and drop off with time.  Given, higher performance greases are different. As well as different types of greases such as polyurea, PTFE, silicone and other exotics have different characteristics. But for the sake of this conversation, we’re talking about conventional greases. Specifically, a lithium based product that he is using and most use.  

The oil will leave the thickener. Which then inhibits the performance of the grease. Which, leads to lubrication failure.

5. Where is grease used primarily?
- extreme pressure situations.  King pins, U joints, bucket pins.

These situations are high shock load, high pressure areas that are semi sealed in normal conditions. Also once through applications.  This is to prevent wear on those points. But they have to be regularly maintained.

One could argue trailer bearings, or bearing applications are high speed. But that’s why in most heavy duty / high speed applications you have oil systems. Think a light duty landscaping trailer vs a heavy duty semi trailer.  Semi trailers use oil bath bearings. Light duty use grease.

Which has more failures per mile traveled?  Grease.

6. Also, think about these applications. They’re all one way lubricants. You purge the old out when you put the new in. Which means they’re semi sealed.  The grease creates a seal on the exit end.  The zerk fitting seals the grease entry point.  Guns don’t have this luxury. There is no “seal” on an AR.  So there is nothing to seal. Thus nothing to for the grease to seal.

So back to why not use it in an AR?

Why use it to begin with?  If you’re using it primarily for its oil... why not use an oil? Just a higher risk of contamination build up once the oil leaves the grease.


Now if you’re going to build a gun and put in an armory for 100 years like the fucking Russians? Yeah. Pack that mother fucker with grease.

Actual use? Most applications... oil.  Clean your gun.  Save some time and mess.

Way lubricants are mostly used in metal working applications. You can get a 5 gallon bucket for like 50 buck or less.

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There are definitely uses of grease in certain firearms. The M1 garand.  The 1911. As they were designed with it in mind.  You can certainly use oil on them too.  Just a note.  This is not a blanket statement of “grease bad.  Oil good.”  Use your knoggin. Think a bit about the mechanical action at hand. Both can work. Grease can certainly work in an AR.  But, I propose the question of why?

Even more, why bother with his mixture? For what he spent there he could just buy a semi fluid grease.

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To the topic of lithium and corrosion resistance. It’s why most marine greases are calcium based.

Link to a good article again, as I’m too tired to write it out.

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29658/multi-purpose-grease


Point #2 is where I have a hard time following you.

You have detailed knowledge of hundreds or thousands of different oils, so I'm sure there are varieties that come to mind for you with better properties than the oils I'm thinking of, but generally speaking, the oils I'm aware of as a consumer don't stay where I want them to nearly as well as greases do. Oils run/drain away while greases don't.

If I'm going to pull a gun out of the safe, take it to the range, clean it, and put it away, then sure... some fresh oil on the way in and out of the safe makes sense. But what about a gun that's going to sit for weeks, months, or even years in a just in case role?

I shouldn't have to say this, but after watching this video, I think I should also clarify... I don't "pack" anything with grease like he does the cam pin area, and I apply it in a fairly thin coat, not all gloppy and sloppy.



Point 2 was under the assumption the firearm would be used or you’re lubricating a firearm to be used shortly after.  Not mid to long term storage.


Grease will sling like oil after the firearm is used.  Thus my comment of not stay in place.

If you’re planning to have it sit for months? Sure wipe it down with a thin layer of grease. You’ll have some oil bleed out, but the grease shouldn’t get too crusty in that time period.

If you’re planning on storing it for years without use or any maintenance and cleaning done? You’ll still have a puddle of oil from the grease, as the bleed out of oil will happen in most greases.  There are some specialty storage greases we can talk about.  But really, if a gun sits for a long period, I’ll call it 8+ months,  you should throw some fresh oil on it. (Or grease!) before use.


When you say "slings," are you talking about lubricant flying off the applied surface due to inertia?

Is there a flavor of grease commonly available at automotive/hardware stores you think would be more appropriate?


Yes, when the product flys off. Sling lubrication is used in like the rear axle of a car or truck.  The gear goes through an oil bath, it’s then carried by the gear with the excess being sling’d off in the process.

Not really any hardware store grease that I could highly recommend. As you’ll run into a normal lithium / lithium complex grease.

Lubriplate SFL-0 has been the standard for the gun industry for 70-80 years essentially.  TW25 is another standard for gun greases.

SFL-0 is an aluminum complex grease, which is pretty unique. Highly water resistant with a good temperature range.  Aluminum complex greases are traditionally used in the food industry. SFL-0 is food grade.  So a fairly safe grease too for you to be around. Let alone the properties of it.


TW25 is a calcium grease.  Has its own benefits of not dropping oil fast.


Lubriplate 130A is the m1 garand grease.  It’s another calcium grease.  It’s pretty heavy, so they also make the 130AA.  Which is a #1 and it would do well in colder temps.


I find myself reminded of the video where Gale Banks made a transparent diff cover to explain cooling/lubrication...

I'm not sure a pistol slide or a rifle bolt carrier fits that description, though.

I want to take your parts store challenge, and get your opinion on a couple products. I checked Napa, Advanced, O'Reilly, and Auto Zone...

Most of them have Lucas Marine Grease listed as either in stock or same day available from the parts truck. It looks like one of the calcium based products you described above.

https://lucasoil.com/products/grease/marine-grease

The other is something called Green Grease. All of the parts stores carry it. The product description is that it's a "waterproof synthetic polymer" grease, but nothing I'm seeing says what the base is.

https://www.greengrease.net/PDF/GreenGease.pdf

Thoughts on stuff like this?



1.  You and I thought about the same thing.  I brought that up as the concept of what sling lubrication should be.  The oil splashed up, then drips back down into the holding area, only to be cycled back up.  

In a firearm, the slinging effect just means it’s gone.  Could be somewhere good like splashing into the buffer tube.  Or could be blown out onto your cheek through the charging handle. Or maybe just into the chamber and burned off.  Or yeeted into the atmosphere out of the ejection port.  Who knows! It’s not a controlled situation like a rear axle, where sling lubrication works properly.  


2.  The Lucas marine would work. Probably a tad bit heavy but would certainly work for room temperature ranges down to freezing.  Below 0f would be a different story.  

3. The green grease is sorta regarded as a marketing myth.  They claim it’s a “multi soap base”. So lithium and calcium.  They also say it’s “compatible with all greases.” Which... is a lie.

So stick with the Lucas marine.


That was my suspicion on the Green Grease. Something about a lack of transparent info combined with an early '00s style web page that looks like a MySpace flashback or something.
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His gun safe has a 2" deep puddle in the bottom.

But it has the consistency of honey!


If you argue with Foxtrot08 about petroleum products, you're WAAAAYYYY out of you wheelhouse. And he is driving an aircraft carrier.
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There are a lot of climate related considerations.

Cans make a big difference as well; rifle without a can will run on damn near anything, throw one on and you'll find what does or doesn't work for your uses pretty quickly.

The guns will run really wet, but will they run much longer when stupidly wet?  Oil it too much and you just ruined a bunch of your clothing; have fun freezing your fucking balls off in the rain while water no longer beads off your outerwear.

Motor oil works but you don't want to breath it in after vaporizing it.  Most of the fancy gun oils are the same synthetic stuff without a lot of the additives, and marked up.  I'll pay for that if I'm able to.
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@Foxtrot08

Out of curiosity, what do you use/recommend?
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I don't think I'll be using that shit, I use Mobil 1 or Castrol Diesel Synthetic new formula. My good friend kept his gun collection in storage for over 10 year on an outside storage with no climate control, all were lubricated with Mobil 1, and when he came back to the country from an overseas deployment, he went to take his guns out from the storage unit he found all of them in perfect condition, to me that is enough test, mixing shit up is a lot of fuckery for precious things. Whatever floats   your boat.
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Perhaps he does. But lacking knowledge in the fundamentals of lubrication means you don’t understand technical design.

See my link earlier.


The AR platform, along with majority of firearms, are a “way action” - or a sliding action.  Way lubricants are what you would use to combat this in an industrial application.

Firearms, where the moving parts are, do not get extremely hot in the scheme of things. Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to hold the firearm.  

The secondary to that, is shock. Firearms move fast and have a high shock load.  Every time the round fires, recoil, etc.


Third is contamination.

Loop in the fact the firearm is not a closed loop system. Meaning, the oil isn’t contained and reused. It’s a single use product.  Not like say a engine where the oil is filtered and cooled.

By doing what he is doing, first off:

He has no idea what the hell he’s making or why he’s even doing it. He might have an idea on the macro level. But he’s defeating a lot of the purpose of a lubricant. A lubricant is supposed to reduce friction.  

So he’s combining a 220 base oil lithium grease, with either a 5w or 0w oil. Which is going to be 100 base oil or 70 base oil respectively.

To make what? A thicker product with lithium in it? And a tackifier?

Just use a wayoil 32 and save some money.

Secondly, you’re filling space up with the grease to make a barrier lubricant, in a sliding situation. This is actually going to increase friction over a properly spec’d lubricant.  You don’t need a heavy lubricant like a grease in most firearms because the tolerances don’t call for it.

Which we could then have the conversation of tolerances, grease and contamination.  But I think you see the point.

Third. As the military learned, I don’t know, a 100 fucking years ago, lithium based greases are bad as gun greases. Which is why the military used calcium based greases for their gun greases dating back before WW2.

Lithium greases hold 1 to 1 water.  So 1 oz of grease will hold 1 oz of water.  This is bad for corrosion resistance. As you’re relying on the corrosion inhibitors to protect metals instead of removing the problem, which is water.  Calcium based greases hold .25 to 1.  So 1 oz of grease will hold .25 oz of water. This combats the issue of just not letting water in.


I can go on but it’s midnight. I think my point has been made that his technical knowledge on lubricants is ignorant at best.  And with that his technical knowledge on firearms, leaves me skeptical.  
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Thanks........I got a can of Lubriplate that was used in Garands and it is calcium based.

Also, calcium greases are the typical boat greases IIRC (i.e., "marine grease").

Thanks again, I think I am going to take some of the Lubriplate and mix it with some 0-20 synthetic oil I have and make that concoction but make it more fluid like you suggest.

What about ATF and the Lubriplate mixed together?
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This is not a “recommendation” post.  This is simply what I use post.  YMMV.


Up till 3 months ago:

Gun scrubber - cleaner

Kendall GT1 max 5w30 - lubricant

Some hoppes 9 around as well, with some hoppes oil from a kit I was given.

I’ve also previously tried the DPMS claw (still have a bottle from camp perry) and used rem oil on my shotguns daily bird hunting.


Currently - Please note as an anti shill warning. I am a Lucas oil products master distributor now.  The following products were given to me, for free.  This is not an endorsement of their product, just, it was free, why not.  

Lucas “extreme duty” CLP
Lucas Gun cleaner
Lucas “extreme duty” gun oil


Going by the technical specs of the Lucas grease, I’m probably not going to use it.  

The Lucas stuff seems fine.  The gun oil is pretty light.   It appears to me to be like a Spindle 15 oil.  Which is a light machining oil.  Probably has some tackifier in it and a heavier Rust and Oxidation additive package, but nothing mind blowing.

Their gun cleaner seems to be the same as gun scrubber.  

Their CLP is decent.  

All I know is since we picked up being a master distributor for them, this shit is wildly popular.  We sold our entire first order out already.


Also note: I am not a believer in most of Lucas oils products. I think it’s a lot of their products are pretty scammy. But if someone’s gonna make money off it, might as well be me.
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Thanks........I got a can of Lubriplate that was used in Garands and it is calcium based.

Also, calcium greases are the typical boat greases IIRC (i.e., "marine grease").

Thanks again, I think I am going to take some of the Lubriplate and mix it with some 0-20 synthetic oil I have and make that concoction but make it more fluid like you suggest.

What about ATF and the Lubriplate mixed together?
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Perhaps he does. But lacking knowledge in the fundamentals of lubrication means you don’t understand technical design.

See my link earlier.


The AR platform, along with majority of firearms, are a “way action” - or a sliding action.  Way lubricants are what you would use to combat this in an industrial application.

Firearms, where the moving parts are, do not get extremely hot in the scheme of things. Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to hold the firearm.  

The secondary to that, is shock. Firearms move fast and have a high shock load.  Every time the round fires, recoil, etc.


Third is contamination.

Loop in the fact the firearm is not a closed loop system. Meaning, the oil isn’t contained and reused. It’s a single use product.  Not like say a engine where the oil is filtered and cooled.

By doing what he is doing, first off:

He has no idea what the hell he’s making or why he’s even doing it. He might have an idea on the macro level. But he’s defeating a lot of the purpose of a lubricant. A lubricant is supposed to reduce friction.  

So he’s combining a 220 base oil lithium grease, with either a 5w or 0w oil. Which is going to be 100 base oil or 70 base oil respectively.

To make what? A thicker product with lithium in it? And a tackifier?

Just use a wayoil 32 and save some money.

Secondly, you’re filling space up with the grease to make a barrier lubricant, in a sliding situation. This is actually going to increase friction over a properly spec’d lubricant.  You don’t need a heavy lubricant like a grease in most firearms because the tolerances don’t call for it.

Which we could then have the conversation of tolerances, grease and contamination.  But I think you see the point.

Third. As the military learned, I don’t know, a 100 fucking years ago, lithium based greases are bad as gun greases. Which is why the military used calcium based greases for their gun greases dating back before WW2.

Lithium greases hold 1 to 1 water.  So 1 oz of grease will hold 1 oz of water.  This is bad for corrosion resistance. As you’re relying on the corrosion inhibitors to protect metals instead of removing the problem, which is water.  Calcium based greases hold .25 to 1.  So 1 oz of grease will hold .25 oz of water. This combats the issue of just not letting water in.


I can go on but it’s midnight. I think my point has been made that his technical knowledge on lubricants is ignorant at best.  And with that his technical knowledge on firearms, leaves me skeptical.  

Thanks........I got a can of Lubriplate that was used in Garands and it is calcium based.

Also, calcium greases are the typical boat greases IIRC (i.e., "marine grease").

Thanks again, I think I am going to take some of the Lubriplate and mix it with some 0-20 synthetic oil I have and make that concoction but make it more fluid like you suggest.

What about ATF and the Lubriplate mixed together?



I wouldn’t use ATF simply because of the heavy dye in it.  Traditionally ATFs have had better base oils.  But with full synthetic motors oils now a days, you’re splitting hairs.
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Perhaps he does. But lacking knowledge in the fundamentals of lubrication means you don’t understand technical design.

See my link earlier.


The AR platform, along with majority of firearms, are a “way action” - or a sliding action.  Way lubricants are what you would use to combat this in an industrial application.

Firearms, where the moving parts are, do not get extremely hot in the scheme of things. Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to hold the firearm.  

The secondary to that, is shock. Firearms move fast and have a high shock load.  Every time the round fires, recoil, etc.


Third is contamination.

Loop in the fact the firearm is not a closed loop system. Meaning, the oil isn’t contained and reused. It’s a single use product.  Not like say a engine where the oil is filtered and cooled.

By doing what he is doing, first off:

He has no idea what the hell he’s making or why he’s even doing it. He might have an idea on the macro level. But he’s defeating a lot of the purpose of a lubricant. A lubricant is supposed to reduce friction.  

So he’s combining a 220 base oil lithium grease, with either a 5w or 0w oil. Which is going to be 100 base oil or 70 base oil respectively.

To make what? A thicker product with lithium in it? And a tackifier?

Just use a wayoil 32 and save some money.

Secondly, you’re filling space up with the grease to make a barrier lubricant, in a sliding situation. This is actually going to increase friction over a properly spec’d lubricant.  You don’t need a heavy lubricant like a grease in most firearms because the tolerances don’t call for it.

Which we could then have the conversation of tolerances, grease and contamination.  But I think you see the point.

Third. As the military learned, I don’t know, a 100 fucking years ago, lithium based greases are bad as gun greases. Which is why the military used calcium based greases for their gun greases dating back before WW2.

Lithium greases hold 1 to 1 water.  So 1 oz of grease will hold 1 oz of water.  This is bad for corrosion resistance. As you’re relying on the corrosion inhibitors to protect metals instead of removing the problem, which is water.  Calcium based greases hold .25 to 1.  So 1 oz of grease will hold .25 oz of water. This combats the issue of just not letting water in.


I can go on but it’s midnight. I think my point has been made that his technical knowledge on lubricants is ignorant at best.  And with that his technical knowledge on firearms, leaves me skeptical.  

Thanks........I got a can of Lubriplate that was used in Garands and it is calcium based.

Also, calcium greases are the typical boat greases IIRC (i.e., "marine grease").

Thanks again, I think I am going to take some of the Lubriplate and mix it with some 0-20 synthetic oil I have and make that concoction but make it more fluid like you suggest.

What about ATF and the Lubriplate mixed together?



I wouldn’t use ATF simply because of the heavy dye in it.  Traditionally ATFs have had better base oils.  But with full synthetic motors oils now a days, you’re splitting hairs.

Thanks.
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About 6 months ago when he did an even more stupid lube video he got mega butthurt over the comments and killed his channel for a while before bringing it back.

I think he's serious.

I like his service and gaging videos.  I'm gonna take lube advice from someone who knows more (like me apparently) because that lube video is pants on head 'tarded.
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He’s known in the MD shooting community for being a generous and nice guy in person, but strange and touchy on the Internet. His background is in IT, but he started out in gunsmithing at a place called Scott’s Gunsmithing mostly part-time I think. He used to be on arf, but would get into ridiculous technical arguments. He left in a funk after he tried to call out Chuck Rogers apparently.
Link Posted: 11/28/2020 12:09:52 PM EST
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His bio

   Chad Albrecht is a Master Gunsmith, AR-15 Armorer and Technical Instructor. He is the founder of School of the American Rifle, a technical school that focuses on the popular and modular, direct-impingement AR-15 Rifle. Chad is dedicated to guiding students of all skill levels to develop a deep and thorough understanding of the AR-15.



In 2004 Chad completed an Apprentice Program under the tutelage of Master Gunsmith Scott Scharf. Employed by Scotts Gunsmithing, he served as a gunsmith for over 10 years. During that period, Chad took an affinity to the AR-15 platform, developing a reputation as Baltimore/Washington’s premier AR-15 Gunsmith. Since founding School of the American Rifle in 2015, he has steadily built and expanded that reputation to become one of the most highly sought after AR-15 technical experts in the nation. To date, over 11,000 AR-15's have been serviced by Chad in his capacities as a Gunsmith and Technical Instructor.



Chad exhibits a passion for teaching and unparalleled attention to detail. He has trained individuals from numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies including; Baltimore City SWAT, NYPD, LAPD, Maryland State Police, US Marshal Service, US Customs and Border Protection, US Secret Service, and Federal Air Marshal Service. Multiple national and local level manufacturers send their employees to receive regular training from Chad at School of the American Rifle.



Chad has worked with Roger Wang of Forward Controls Design and Mark Brown of Mark Brown Custom on product development. He has developed and produced multiple AR-15 tools and gauges.



Chad is a regular contributor of technical AR-15 topics to the Primary & Secondary Network and on AR Build Junkie.
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They need to make a weapon like a pussy self lubricating problem solved.
Link Posted: 11/28/2020 12:36:07 PM EST
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But even that has a shelf life....
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All the finest autists are in IT (c.f. Karl of Inrange)
Link Posted: 11/28/2020 8:10:45 PM EST
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While I am open to learn MANY thing and by no means the foremost expert on the AR15 platform......... This video seems BAT SHIT crazy to me, like almost satirical.
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That group is run and populated by pedantic assholes who obsess over inane shit like gauging your buffer detent pin protrusion.
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Sigline material right there.
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That dude is one or two snorts of adderall away from adding a grease zerk or oil mist system to his rifle.


Sigline material right there.


Yep.
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All I know is that is if you had an overly "wet" weapon exposed to non stationary sand and dust, like our M296 .50cals and M4s in the cockpit, they would look like sugar cookies after about an hour. You would also have weapons malfunctions because of the non attracted sand and dirt.

I know a lot of people poo poo it but once we switched to militec-1, we didn't have as many problems.

And no where did I say "dry". All mechanical equipment needs lube.
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I worked aviation small arms assets at Jbad. BTDT.

I won't go into everything we found wrong with the equipment other than the fact that operator error played a strong part in a fair amount of the issues.

That being said, i've seen my fair share of sugar cookied weapons, especially after convoy work on dusty roads and when lubed properly, they seemed to work just fine. The ones that didn't were always run by people who attempted to run dry as possible.

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That dude is one or two snorts of adderall away from adding a grease zerk or oil mist system to his rifle.


Sigline material right there.


Yep.
I'm flattered.
Link Posted: 11/30/2020 2:10:13 AM EST
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"yeeted into the atmosphere out of the ejection port" of life...

Describes myself at various stages
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That dude is one or two snorts of adderall away from adding a grease zerk or oil mist system to his rifle.


Sigline material right there.


Yep.
I'm flattered.


Thanks for the excellent sigline material.
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OP you do realize that the only part of the carrier that comes into contact with anything is those 4 tiny rails on the carrier right? You don't need to lube parts of the carrier that literally just float. Let's also not forget that pretty much everything in the AR slides and doesn't rotate...which would make a 00 grease the far superior option.

If you want rust protection just apply a super thin coating of a protectant before a light grease.
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I just use CLP and run it wet enough so that there's some oil spray from the ejection port during the first few rounds of firing.
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I think this thread seriously needs a bump.  Hell, if I was a mod, I'd sticky it for all the good info; far too many of you iggorant savages don't lube their thunder sticks enough, not too much.

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Well worth a watch.

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That should pretty much prove it to anyone.  Tho I admit, I do like to run my guns pretty wet; far better too much lube than not enough.  No, not in the chamber or bore, chilluns; use some common sense.
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 7:02:41 PM EST
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Chad is recently a member here now, so just keep that in mind going forward, mmkay?
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 7:08:01 PM EST
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I thought I ran my ARs wet. I'm running them dry compared to that.
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Same here....
I was amazed at the video.
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 7:12:21 PM EST
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I'm a big believer that a cleaner is a cleaner, a lubricant is a lubricant.
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Preach it, brother.  Long have I tried to convince the heathens of the error of their ways.  If they do not repent, and sin no moar, then Saint Browning, Saint Garand, and Saint Stoner, shall surely smite them for their wickedness.
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 7:48:23 PM EST
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Breakfree CLP
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Never needed anything else
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