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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MadDog 2020 "When you absolutely, positively, have to kill every motherfucker in the room" |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:05:49 AM EDT
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If POTUS does downsize in South Korea, things will get real interesting and I suspect pressure on Japan will follow which will make China play arms race games. China just expanded their shipyards already. I’m guessing 2024 - 2030 shit goes down bigly Japan is making aircraft carriers with F-35Bs. They have a large Navy. They're actually stepping up to the plate. Plain fact is, Japan is one of our few allies that's worth a damn. Oh, and China wants to invade Taiwan by the early 2020s. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:07:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A WESTPAC war involving China is practically inevitable. The only people that seem to care, really care, are the Japanese. Other people in the area are upset, but seem to think we should fight that one for them too. Japan is making aircraft carriers with F-35Bs. They have a large Navy. They're actually stepping up to the plate. Plain fact is, Japan is one of our few allies that's worth a damn. Oh, and China wants to invade Taiwan by the early 2020s. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lend lease act was very isolationist. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:11:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryLOL. The idiot pronounces “especially” as “ekspeshully”.
Nice job fellating Mattis, though. And reading all of the Mattis memes - golly gee. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:23:03 AM EDT
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Much racism, white America unfair to Yellow Japanese. Asia for Asians. Imperial Japan was justified, America deserved the Bataan death March and Pearl Harbor? Howard Zinn must be smiling from wherever he is You said America was isolationist before PH. I point out we were “selling” stuff at 5 cents on the dollar, which is obviously not isolationist. You respond with some bullshit that has nothing to do with what I stated.... You do know what the lend lease act was right? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:25:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha what? You said America was isolationist before PH. I point out we were “selling” stuff at 5 cents on the dollar, which is obviously not isolationist. You respond with some bullshit that has nothing to do with what I stated.... You do know what the lend lease act was right? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:25:46 AM EDT
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Yeah getting fired sucks. No surprises they want to keep their jobs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:26:47 AM EDT
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Well, that at least gives me a chance to name my unit “Carmel’s Cavalry” or serve in the California 7th battalion with a bunch of computer scientists, lab technicians and Starbucks baristas who bring their California approved and registered firearms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I, for one, look forward to returning to the Constitutional vision of standing up an army every time there’s a war and disbanding it immediately after. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:29:05 AM EDT
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SB baristas hot? Jalapeño cheese spread used as currency? Eagerly awaiting your response. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:32:45 AM EDT
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Trump can talk tough all he wants but from a kneeling position in front of Putin, Erdogan and Xi, it just doesn't matter. He might as well be Obama. We bitched a storm when Obama bowed to Putin and Xi but then yell, "MAGA" when Trump does it.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, and the WH rumor is that Trump is about to announce a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan as well. Clearly Mattis is done. He can't stay in the job considering Trump totally ignores his advice and that of the joint chiefs. After letting Erdogan tell the US military what to do, I can't believe Mattis didn't just go ahead and resign today. Shit is falling apart so fast it is becoming impossible to keep track of it all. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:35:11 AM EDT
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SB baristas hot? Jalapeño cheese spread used as currency? Eagerly awaiting your response. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:37:21 AM EDT
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These days avocado is the international currency. Barista is likely a self described gender queer who wants to marry a ghost or tree or the ocean and smash the patriarchy while working on her novel part time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SB baristas hot? Jalapeño cheese spread used as currency? Eagerly awaiting your response.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:38:52 AM EDT
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They are surprised that the President would undermine his own strategy. We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:43:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySeriously, how was America giving war aid to other countries isolationist? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:45:09 AM EDT
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No thank you. I’d rather go work for the Nebraska Noledgeables out of the infrastructure formerly known as StratCom. We’ll have space invader in our phones and rats to eat at least. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:45:47 AM EDT
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You are the smartest man alive. Somehow his strategies are working despite your prognostications Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. Wall built or even funded? No. National Security Strategy objectives? No. To which “strategies” are you referring? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still haven’t heard you defend your position that the lend lease act was isolationist...  1941 (4/11) Movie CLIP - Japanese Christmas Trees (1979) HD |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:50:56 AM EDT
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Holy fuck they just keep coming. I predict more Wikipedia in the next bonzai wave |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:52:17 AM EDT
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The obvious problem with saying we don't give a damn about Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine and so on is who is going to step up and say "We do."
We're handing off American influence to Russia, China and Iran and getting zilch in return. You're not going to like a world in which they have more influence than the US. I'd rather have the US be the world's policeman than Russia or China, or for there to be no police. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:54:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 posts, 0 zero defense of your own words. Have a good day. 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:55:26 AM EDT
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Obamacare repealed? No. Wall built or even funded? No. National Security Strategy objectives? No. To which “strategies” are you referring? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. Wall built or even funded? No. National Security Strategy objectives? No. To which “strategies” are you referring? Wall is being built. Not as quick as desired. Funding. We'll see what the Senate does. Not what you expect him to do when his own party was actively working to undermine him. McCain, Ryan. What national security objectives are failing? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:56:31 AM EDT
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Just another human being who puts his pants on one leg at a time.
Still got about half an hour to go, but I’m betting the sun will go ahead and rise even without GD’s hero. I suspect Gen JM biggest contribution was in the area of .mil budgeting and procurement. Politics. But what do I know other? I had hopes he would live up to all of the badass memes, but the fact that our military is still charging soldiers with murder for killing the enemy disappoints me. As for pulling out of Syria, and possibly other shitholes... “Fight them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here” has grown stale. It is over used. We hear that we are fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan because GWBush said that the Saudis responsible for 9/11 got training there. I never fully believed the pretzel logic of ignoring that it was Wahabists from an important ally and defense contractor client to go to war with the 4th century country of Afghanistan. So what if they trained there? They were Saudis. We should have moved against them, if anyone. Something was always a little odd about that war in Afghanistan. Maybe the fact that certain powerful interests had plans for a pipeline through there? Who knows, but the fact that our sons were ordered to not damage the vast poppy fields in Helmand province makes sense only if you realize we are being lied to. And as far as I can tell, maddog did nothing to change that. I lost my oldest son to that fucking war for industrial interests in Afghanistan. I also lost a chunk of faith in the politicians who are in charge of our armed forces. And James Mattis, no matter what he used to be, is just another politician. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not my job. I know my mission and I execute it. Ask the President about his desired end state. That belongs to him. He’s put them in harm’s way, and some have died. One would assume that he had a reason. Apparently Trump has achieved his desired end state and is bringing the troop home. Time will tell if this is a good decision. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:24:32 AM EDT
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Still haven’t heard you defend your position that the lend lease act was isolationist... Seriously, how was America giving war aid to other countries isolationist? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Still haven’t heard you defend your position that the lend lease act was isolationist... Seriously, how was America giving war aid to other countries isolationist? You can disagree, but there are very good arguments that Lend Lease epitomized isolationism. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:30:24 AM EDT
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Perhaps Trump has done the math and realizes our commitments in Syria, South Korea, etc. are fiscally unsustainable.
One of our British members, @Agent_Funky once pointed out that the US is learning the same lesson most empires learn the hard way: empires are expensive, and an empire is fiscally unsustainable unless it keeps expanding and exploiting new lands for resources. What good is being World Police if it bankrupts us? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:34:42 AM EDT
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It was a political strategy to try and substitute stuff for soldiers. You can disagree, but there are very good arguments that Lend Lease epitomized isolationism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still haven’t heard you defend your position that the lend lease act was isolationist... Seriously, how was America giving war aid to other countries isolationist? You can disagree, but there are very good arguments that Lend Lease epitomized isolationism. All the leftists (coughcommunistscough) were hardcore isolationists right up until 22 June 1941. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:36:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you. Apparently Trump has achieved his desired end state and is bringing the troop home. Time will tell if this is a good decision. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:38:24 AM EDT
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Far better than riding to war with the California 69th battalion under Ben Dover and his rough riders Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No thank you. I’d rather go work for the Nebraska Noledgeables out of the infrastructure formerly known as StratCom. We’ll have space invader in our phones and rats to eat at least. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:42:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:51:49 AM EDT
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Mattis seemed like a good man and a good SECDEF. He isn't the only one, though. Just like everyone else, he can be replaced.
His resignation letter shows some serious tension between the President and Mattis, IMO. God Bless, Gen Mattis. Thank you for your service. Here's hoping for another top notch pick. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryUnfortunately, the most accurate meme of the week...
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:00:37 AM EDT
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Mattis shutdown Trump's desire to allow CCW on bases.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/02/23/trump-pushes-allow-troops-carry-personal-weapons-bases.html President Donald Trump said Friday that he would review policies that keep troops from carrying personal weapons onto military bases.
"If we can't have our military holding guns, it's pretty bad," Trump said in a wide-ranging speech to the annual Conservative Political Action Committee conference in Maryland, "and I'm going to look at that whole policy on military bases." "So we want to protect our military. We want to make our military stronger and better than it's ever been," Trump continued in the speech, in which he also renewed his call for allowing trained teachers and military retirees to carry concealed weapons in schools. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:06:58 AM EDT
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There were an awful lot of people who trusted Mattis based on internet memes and pictures of him heroically portrayed. What did he actually accomplish to transform our military into a "Mattis-centric" force? Was the military magically transformed under his leadership or did the SHARP training and other bullshit (trannys, etc)stay the same? I think we know the answer to this. He was the same as all other people at his level. There is no connection to the soldier on the ground. May he retire in peace. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:10:52 AM EDT
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Read the letter. He says in no uncertain terms why he resigned, and how his beliefs were at odds with the ideas and actions of the President. Trump is a fool for ignoring Mattis. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:12:40 AM EDT
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You sure are hung up about the LGBT thing in the military. They had always been there and for the most part, nobody gave a shit. It is such an insignificant issue, it has next to no bearing on overall readiness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There were an awful lot of people who trusted Mattis based on internet memes and pictures of him heroically portrayed. What did he actually accomplish to transform our military into a "Mattis-centric" force? Was the military magically transformed under his leadership or did the SHARP training and other bullshit (trannys, etc)stay the same? I think we know the answer to this. He was the same as all other people at his level. There is no connection to the soldier on the ground. May he retire in peace. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:15:08 AM EDT
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Fighting a war just for a stalemate is senseless you either fight to win and leave no enemy on the battlefield or don't bother. I have no problem with wiping out the Taliban. The shit birds don't deserve oxygen. However, just to fight and do nothing but achieve a stalemate with both arms tied behind our backs is never in the national interest nor worth the cost. Stalemates are not a strategy but a failure of will to win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I agree with you. Apparently Trump has achieved his desired end state and is bringing the troop home. Time will tell if this is a good decision. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:18:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This may be a play to let us take the gloves off in Afghanistan, and fight a war like it is meant to be fought. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:26:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This may be a play to let us take the gloves off in Afghanistan, and fight a war like it is meant to be fought. It looks to me like we can either purchase the leaders over there, or rule by force with an endless military presence, or both. But we can't liberate them then go home and watch a first world democracy grow where we planted it, because it will not happen. We leave, bad guys seize power and ruthlessly murder anybody who even spoke nicely with us. And the means that the blood and treasure we spent was all wasted. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:38:07 AM EDT
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isis is practically eliminated but technically it is not totally 100% eliminated and technically there's a few trying to get a guerilla campaign going in Iraq as of this month. See Iraqi News for details https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/09/after-defeat-in-iraq-isis-fights-on-in-last-enclave-in-syria/ There are only two options; - beat that shit back when it becomes a problem - destroy it completely One of those isn't viable, that leaves us with the other. Once the shit is beaten back, it's time to move on to other stuff. Now is the time to move on to other stuff in that country. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:39:05 AM EDT
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. Wall built or even funded? No. National Security Strategy objectives? No. To which “strategies” are you referring? Wall is being built. Not as quick as desired. Funding. We'll see what the Senate does. Not what you expect him to do when his own party was actively working to undermine him. McCain, Ryan. What national security objectives are failing? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:41:16 AM EDT
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I agree with you. Apparently Trump has achieved his desired end state and is bringing the troop home. Time will tell if this is a good decision. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not my job. I know my mission and I execute it. Ask the President about his desired end state. That belongs to him. He’s put them in harm’s way, and some have died. One would assume that he had a reason. Apparently Trump has achieved his desired end state and is bringing the troop home. Time will tell if this is a good decision. And it sure sounds as though pulling out NOW is NOT in keeping with achieving that end state. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:00:37 AM EDT
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Mattis, who Trump described as a "bit of a Democrat":
- Nomination universally supported by Democrats and NeverTrumpers - Involved in the Theranos scam - Fought Trump to keep Transgendered troops in the military - Fought Trump on sending troops to secure the border during the caravan - Caught going behind Trump's back to try and hire CNAS Obama flunkies at DOD - Pushed the "Global Warming is the REAL enemy" line - Fought Trump on his campaign promise of ending the Afghanistan War If you're throwing a tantrum over his exit, you're in the company of Democrats and NeverTrumpers. Think about that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:03:02 AM EDT
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump's National Security advisors reaction to this news and I'm a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling "Mattis is the last brake on a president that makes major life-and-death decisions by whim without reading, deliberation, or any thought as to consequences and risks," said a senior U.S. national-security official on Thursday, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to talk freely. "The saving grace is that this president has not been tested by a major national-security crisis. But it will come, and when it does, we are fucked." |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:17:17 AM EDT
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... If you're throwing a tantrum over his exit, you're in the company of Democrats and NeverTrumpers. Think about that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:24:25 AM EDT
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Mattis, who Trump described as a "bit of a Democrat": - Nomination universally supported by Democrats and NeverTrumpers - Involved in the Theranos scam - Fought Trump to keep Transgendered troops in the military - Fought Trump on sending troops to secure the border during the caravan - Caught going behind Trump's back to try and hire CNAS Obama flunkies at DOD - Pushed the "Global Warming is the REAL enemy" line - Fought Trump on his campaign promise of ending the Afghanistan War If you're throwing a tantrum over his exit, you're in the company of Democrats and NeverTrumpers. Think about that. His testimony at his confirmation hearings spoke of "climate change" as a driver for famine and floods, etc, and therefore a factor in military planning. This is common sense. He was not speaking of man-made climate change. And he in no way "fought to keep transgendered troops in the military." Trump "ordered" the ban via a Tweet. Mattis sought a formal order, and then convened a study to come up with a sound way of executing the order. Trump's final and formal command was BASED on the Mattis Study. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:26:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mattis is apolitical. His testimony at his confirmation hearings spoke of "climate change" as a driver for famine and floods, etc, and therefore a factor in military planning. This is common sense. He was not speaking of man-made climate change. And he in no way "fought to keep transgendered troops in the military." Trump "ordered" the ban via a Tweet. Mattis sought a formal order, and then convened a study to come up with a sound way of executing the order. Trump's final and formal command was BASED on the Mattis Study. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:28:10 AM EDT
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The "if you don't agree with me you're a democrat" line is so worn out... On second thought, just read this: "James Mattis really is a Democrat." Try cherry-picking that one. 
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