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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:39:07 PM EDT
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There's always a tweet...
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:41:12 PM EDT
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ISIS will never be "eliminated" as long as the book the ideas spring from lives on. There are only two options; - beat that shit back when it becomes a problem - destroy it completely One of those isn't viable, that leaves us with the other. Once the shit is beaten back, it's time to move on to other stuff. Now is the time to move on to other stuff in that country.  Attached Filehttps://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2177416/?tl=&r=-1&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom  Watters slams Ocasio-Cortez''s economic plan  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:49:23 PM EDT
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Perhaps Trump has done the math and realizes our commitments in Syria, South Korea, etc. are fiscally unsustainable. One of our British members, @Agent_Funky once pointed out that the US is learning the same lesson most empires learn the hard way: empires are expensive, and an empire is fiscally unsustainable unless it keeps expanding and exploiting new lands for resources. What good is being World Police if it bankrupts us? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:58:47 PM EDT
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South Korea agreed to pay more but I think their idea of paying more and POTUS idea of more is wildly divergent. It now looks like further reductions if not a total withdraw from Korea is on the table which coincidentally Pyongyang is demanding now before proceeding with nuclear disarmament. The catch is defense of Japan is also on the DPRK radar list of demands too. China and North Korea want the USA out of the region Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps Trump has done the math and realizes our commitments in Syria, South Korea, etc. are fiscally unsustainable. One of our British members, @Agent_Funky once pointed out that the US is learning the same lesson most empires learn the hard way: empires are expensive, and an empire is fiscally unsustainable unless it keeps expanding and exploiting new lands for resources. What good is being World Police if it bankrupts us? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 6:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in Korea because it is in OUR interests. Many fail to see that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:40:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:42:58 PM EDT
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If General Mattis had ordered (via Tweet) his Colonels to kick out all the Trannys, they would have probably hesitated before executing those orders. They might have even looked into whether it was a lawful order. They might have responded with questions, to refine the General's Tweet and to see how to go about making it a formal policy. If they wanted to do everything possible to execute the General's Tweet, they would probably have done an analysis of the task to see about policy implications and any 2nd and 3rd order effects. It would not have served the General well, had they simply saluted and said, "aye aye, Sir!" There are plenty of Army officers who would have saluted and said "Can Do, SIR!!" <---former Army officer who thinks more highly of Officers of Marines |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:46:39 PM EDT
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Arfcom is a harsh mistress. How the turn tables! 
Somedays, you're my favorite poster. Somedays, you're "he's a knucklehead, but I'm glad he's on our side." this post makes me conflicted between the two
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:47:30 PM EDT
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You mean the 4D Chess where Russia and China become our "allies"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:50:27 PM EDT
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We are in Korea because it is in OUR interests. Many fail to see that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps Trump has done the math and realizes our commitments in Syria, South Korea, etc. are fiscally unsustainable. One of our British members, @Agent_Funky once pointed out that the US is learning the same lesson most empires learn the hard way: empires are expensive, and an empire is fiscally unsustainable unless it keeps expanding and exploiting new lands for resources. What good is being World Police if it bankrupts us? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:41:24 PM EDT
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Bolton's announcement we'd stay in Syria as long as Iran was there helped push Trump into making his decision to withdraw.
Also, we were six weeks away from a major operation to attack one of the last renaming ISIS strongholds in Syria, and al-Baghdadi was thought to be in that area. We may have missed a huge opportunity to finally take al-Baghdadi out. Finally, more evidence that Erdogan's conversation with Trump was the final straw to get Trump to make the decision to withdraw. Supposedly even Erdogan was surprised, and he warned Trump against a rash withdrawal (ironic, no?). I'll reiterate what I said before. It isn't that Trump wants to withdraw - - it's how he wants to do it, and the total lack of a strategy and plan to do so. It is very analogous to Obama's failed Iraq drawdown and withdrawal. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:01:57 AM EDT
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I'm indifferent to Mattis leaving but the Democrats have wanted an end to Afghanistan since day 1. Holy fuck balls. Were you sleeping during Obama's 8 years? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:16:34 AM EDT
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Bolton's announcement we'd stay in Syria as long as Iran was there helped push Trump into making his decision to withdraw. Also, we were six weeks away from a major operation to attack one of the last renaming ISIS strongholds in Syria, and al-Baghdadi was thought to be in that area. We may have missed a huge opportunity to finally take al-Baghdadi out. Finally, more evidence that Erdogan's conversation with Trump was the final straw to get Trump to make the decision to withdraw. Supposedly even Erdogan was surprised, and he warned Trump against a rash withdrawal (ironic, no?). I'll reiterate what I said before. It isn't that Trump wants to withdraw - - it's how he wants to do it, and the total lack of a strategy and plan to do so. It is very analogous to Obama's failed Iraq drawdown and withdrawal. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:23:42 AM EDT
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Wow. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bolton's announcement we'd stay in Syria as long as Iran was there helped push Trump into making his decision to withdraw. Also, we were six weeks away from a major operation to attack one of the last renaming ISIS strongholds in Syria, and al-Baghdadi was thought to be in that area. We may have missed a huge opportunity to finally take al-Baghdadi out. Finally, more evidence that Erdogan's conversation with Trump was the final straw to get Trump to make the decision to withdraw. Supposedly even Erdogan was surprised, and he warned Trump against a rash withdrawal (ironic, no?). I'll reiterate what I said before. It isn't that Trump wants to withdraw - - it's how he wants to do it, and the total lack of a strategy and plan to do so. It is very analogous to Obama's failed Iraq drawdown and withdrawal. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. And some idiots here will cheer. 
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:26:48 AM EDT
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Wow. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. A subtext of this barely being discussed, is that it appears the entire strategy to meet with Kim Jong Un and praise the North Koreans has completely failed. I don't know if there is a thread on it, but NK just essentially said just a few days ago that they won't denuclearize unless we meet all of their longstanding demands. I don't begrudge Trump for trying diplomacy, but it is just another area where there doesn't appear to be a coherent strategy involved. It seems to be more of a fire from the hip and hope it all goes well type of situation. Hard to see how we're in a better position with NK than we were in 2016. I hope the recent diplomatic efforts can salvage some type of concession or progress. It is simply another area in which Trump's NATSEC team largely disagreed with his sudden strategy shift, but it fell on deaf ears. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:31:47 AM EDT
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Just seems...contradictory to withdraw from the Iran deal and then suddenly exit Syria not too long after. It doesn't make strategic sense to me if you've got this whole platform on pressuring Iran. A subtext of this barely being discussed, is that it appears the entire strategy to meet with Kim Jong Un and praise the North Koreans has completely failed. I don't know if there is a thread on it, but NK just essentially said just a few days ago that they won't denuclearize unless we meet all of their longstanding demands. I don't begrudge Trump for trying diplomacy, but it is just another area where there doesn't appear to be a coherent strategy involved. It seems to be more of a fire from the hip and hope it all goes well type of situation. Hard to see how we're in a better position with NK than we were in 2016. I hope the recent diplomatic efforts can salvage some type of concession or progress. It is simply another area in which Trump's NATSEC team largely disagreed with his sudden strategy shift, but it fell on deaf ears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. A subtext of this barely being discussed, is that it appears the entire strategy to meet with Kim Jong Un and praise the North Koreans has completely failed. I don't know if there is a thread on it, but NK just essentially said just a few days ago that they won't denuclearize unless we meet all of their longstanding demands. I don't begrudge Trump for trying diplomacy, but it is just another area where there doesn't appear to be a coherent strategy involved. It seems to be more of a fire from the hip and hope it all goes well type of situation. Hard to see how we're in a better position with NK than we were in 2016. I hope the recent diplomatic efforts can salvage some type of concession or progress. It is simply another area in which Trump's NATSEC team largely disagreed with his sudden strategy shift, but it fell on deaf ears. That’s the issue. He makes tactical decisions that undermine his strategy. Because he doesn’t understand his own strategy. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:40:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just seems...contradictory to withdraw from the Iran deal and then suddenly exit Syria not too long after. It doesn't make strategic sense to me if you've got this whole platform on pressuring Iran. A subtext of this barely being discussed, is that it appears the entire strategy to meet with Kim Jong Un and praise the North Koreans has completely failed. I don't know if there is a thread on it, but NK just essentially said just a few days ago that they won't denuclearize unless we meet all of their longstanding demands. I don't begrudge Trump for trying diplomacy, but it is just another area where there doesn't appear to be a coherent strategy involved. It seems to be more of a fire from the hip and hope it all goes well type of situation. Hard to see how we're in a better position with NK than we were in 2016. I hope the recent diplomatic efforts can salvage some type of concession or progress. It is simply another area in which Trump's NATSEC team largely disagreed with his sudden strategy shift, but it fell on deaf ears. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:44:59 AM EDT
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Butting in, no offense intended but Trump can argue that testing has ceased and that’s a step up from 2016. But yes the DPRK has now expanded their demands to extend to US forces in Japan. South Korea’s current leadership has a shaky economy at a time Trump is pressuring them to pay more and Seoul’s wishful thinking that Pyongyang will return kindness, good faith and trust. The right wing faction of South Korea is waiting for this current guy to get voted out. China just ran off a Canadian plane near North Korea. It’s still their baby and China’s plan is to hope Trump isn’t re-elected and the next President will play ball on their terms Yes, testing has stopped. But I do believe the North will resume if they need to. The issue is that a lot of analysts think they've already gotten what they need from a nuke testing standpoint. I won't be surprised, however, if missile testing picks up again soon, or if NK reverts to their old strategy of testing in exchange for attention or new promises of aid. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:46:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bolton resignation in 3... 2... 1... And some idiots here will cheer. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:51:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not butting in. Good post, and I agree that the SK domestic issues are often ignored as well as Trump's own policy goals towards SK outside of the NK situation. Yes, testing has stopped. But I do believe the North will resume if they need to. The issue is that a lot of analysts think they've already gotten what they need from a nuke testing standpoint. I won't be surprised, however, if missile testing picks up again soon, or if NK reverts to their old strategy of testing in exchange for attention or new promises of aid. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:57:34 AM EDT
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Trump contradicts himself constantly. That’s the issue. He makes tactical decisions that undermine his strategy. Because he doesn’t understand his own strategy. Just as troubling is the quick erosion in Trump's relationship with key Senators that have a lot of sway over foreign policy matters in the Senate like Graham and Rubio. Which, that erosion had already started to take place because of Saudi Arabia. I know a lot of people prefer to blame all the names I just listed as being the cause of the turmoil, but it is indisputable that Trump's frequent contradictions and habit of decision-making via tweet and without consulting others is part and parcel of the breakdown in many of those relationships. A lot of them want to do a good job for Trump, or even largely agree with many of his foreign policy goals, but he changes his mind and positions so often they frequently end up off message or blindsided by a new tweet or announcement. It's a very challenging environment to run a foreign policy shop or NATSEC team in. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 2:00:33 AM EDT
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Afghanistan was Obama's pet project. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 2:12:21 AM EDT
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Afghanistan was Obama's pet project. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:26:29 AM EDT
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I admit Mattis did appear to be a bit of a leftie but Cincinnatus has been in the military for 32 years and he says otherwise. So who am I supposed to fucking believe...…..my limited knowledge of only "knowing" him based solely on seeing him on TV, etc., or someone who has been active military for 32 years who might ACTUALLY know him? I would imagine most people would rely on Cincinnatus's opinion over mine...…...right? 
I'll stick with Cincinnatus when it comes to learning stuff about the military. Military officer with 32 years active duty service trumps internet commandos. And most definitely trumps me with my very limited knowledge of the military complex. Nothing wrong with relying on the experts when it comes to facts and interpretations...…….YMMV. People who bloviate about things they think they know when they really do not are the epitome of stupidity. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:42:45 AM EDT
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I’m not saying it’s true or isn’t true but I’d hazard a guess that their reasoning is that he puts Israel’s national security or interests above the USA. I personally don’t like Tehran’s ramping up of their ballistic program. Not because it puts Tel Aviv at risk but because their ambitions go beyond subduing Israel. As far as I’m concerned the Wahabists in the gulf states and Shiites in Tehran are both a plague not just a concern of Israel and Khobar towers, 9/11, East Africa embassy bombings, USS Cole, Beirut & our embassy hostages and OIF attacks etc. are my reasons why Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if there was a coherent and consistent strategy it would be hard to implement it considering the immense turnover in key roles in the administration. Haley is fine, no replacement yet. Mattis is out come February, so he's a lame duck. Bolton is the 3rd NATSEC advisor and it is obvious his opinion doesn't matter too terribly much to Trump, and so who knows how long he'll survive. Pompeo seems to be doing well at State, but Tillerson had left so many key positions unfilled they're nowhere near where they need to be. I know the AG is largely domestic, but not always, so only having an acting AG and waiting on Barr is also problematic... Just as troubling is the quick erosion in Trump's relationship with key Senators that have a lot of sway over foreign policy matters in the Senate like Graham and Rubio. Which, that erosion had already started to take place because of Saudi Arabia. I know a lot of people prefer to blame all the names I just listed as being the cause of the turmoil, but it is indisputable that Trump's frequent contradictions and habit of decision-making via tweet and without consulting others is part and parcel of the breakdown in many of those relationships. A lot of them want to do a good job for Trump, or even largely agree with many of his foreign policy goals, but he changes his mind and positions so often they frequently end up off message or blindsided by a new tweet or announcement. It's a very challenging environment to run a foreign policy shop or NATSEC team in. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:50:09 AM EDT
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You mean the 4D Chess where Russia and China become our "allies"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:01:20 AM EDT
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Bolton resignation in 3... 2... 1... And some idiots here will cheer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bolton's announcement we'd stay in Syria as long as Iran was there helped push Trump into making his decision to withdraw. Also, we were six weeks away from a major operation to attack one of the last renaming ISIS strongholds in Syria, and al-Baghdadi was thought to be in that area. We may have missed a huge opportunity to finally take al-Baghdadi out. Finally, more evidence that Erdogan's conversation with Trump was the final straw to get Trump to make the decision to withdraw. Supposedly even Erdogan was surprised, and he warned Trump against a rash withdrawal (ironic, no?). I'll reiterate what I said before. It isn't that Trump wants to withdraw - - it's how he wants to do it, and the total lack of a strategy and plan to do so. It is very analogous to Obama's failed Iraq drawdown and withdrawal. Sounds like Trump retreated from Iran, ISIS and Turkey. Against the advice of his entire National Security team. And some idiots here will cheer. 
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:05:27 AM EDT
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Pompeo sounds on board with the Syrian withdrawal.
He said our mission there was to destroy the ISIS caliphate and that was accomplished. https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678742858/transcript-nprs-full-interview-with-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:05:53 AM EDT
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Russia more than China. I think Trump is trying to take the edge off the hostilities between us, trying to bring both nations more into the fold of an international partnership, and to do that he holds our old allies at arm's length and makes overture to Russia and China. Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:18:20 AM EDT
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Sure would be nice to know if Trump is somehow indebted to either of those countries that would cause him to make such overtures. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:18:35 AM EDT
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Pompeo sounds on board with the Syrian withdrawal. He said our mission there was to destroy the ISIS caliphate and that was accomplished. https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678742858/transcript-nprs-full-interview-with-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:22:05 AM EDT
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:30:27 AM EDT
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Mattis seemed to imply thinking Russia and China were allies is pretty stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! Gen Mattis said he saw more clear cut dividing lines between us and them and didn't think we should be attacking long time friends. I see him more as wanting to maintain the status quo and wanting to see everything as black and white without blurring the edges. Mattis did not use the term allies when referring to Russia and China. That is your TDS projection. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:31:34 AM EDT
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Afghanistan was Obama's pet project. Because it worked out so well for the Soviets. Also, during the Obama administration, everytime we made progress, everytime we had a "win", we would follow it up with an even bigger loss. One step forward, two steps back. We would gain ground only to lose that and more. It's my opinion this was intentional. After all, he wouldn't do anything to the detriment of the Muslims that he already pledged allegiance to. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:36:07 AM EDT
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Sticking to a plan of action that isn't working isn't good. Especially if you get new information.
That's why Trump "changing his mind" doesn't bother me. We should have changed our ME tactics a long time ago when it was obvious it wasn't working. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:39:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ISIS is still there, and Pompeo avoided the topic of the inevitable slaughter of our allies when we leave. As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:40:24 AM EDT
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Sticking to a plan of action that isn't working isn't good. Especially if you get new information. That's why Trump "changing his mind" doesn't bother me. We should have changed our ME tactics a long time ago when it was obvious it wasn't working. And the President does not have any “new information” the Mattis does not have, as well. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:42:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That way he wouldn’t be hamstrung by rules and such on his journey to MAGA. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:43:39 AM EDT
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Like I asked Bohr...…...it has been roughly 20 years and we are still saying "if we leave ISIS, et.al., will raise its ugly head and become powerful again"...……..when will that not ALWAYS be the case? Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: ISIS is still there, and Pompeo avoided the topic of the inevitable slaughter of our allies when we leave. As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Gun control proponents aren’t going anywhere, is it a bad thing to keep supporting efforts to keep them at bay domestically? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:45:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Containing such never ending problems is just kind of a thing we used to think we needed to do. And, is a thing Trump asked Mattis to develop a Strategy to do. We contained Commies for over 40 years. Gun control proponents aren’t going anywhere, is it a bad thing to keep supporting efforts to keep them at bay domestically? Just tell the American people we will be over there for the next 100 years to keep them at bay...…….then politically let the chips fall where they may. That is what honest people do...…...but I realize we are talking about politicians and therein lies the rub. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:46:37 AM EDT
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Like I asked Bohr...…...it has been roughly 20 years and we are still saying "if we leave ISIS, et.al., will raise its ugly head and become powerful again"...……..when will that not ALWAYS be the case? Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: ISIS is still there, and Pompeo avoided the topic of the inevitable slaughter of our allies when we leave. As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Someday we will wake up, and the ONLY Superpower with a global footprint, military bases on every continent, and the ability to project power across the globe will be China. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:50:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, we will always face threats that we will ALWAYS have to address. That’s kind of the point of our National Security apparatus. Someday we will wake up, and the ONLY Superpower with a global footprint, military bases on every continent, and the ability to project power across the globe will be China. You, Bohr and I can fight that ideology but in the end we will lose. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:51:40 AM EDT
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Containing such never ending problems is just kind of a thing we used to think we needed to do. And, is a thing Trump asked Mattis to develop a Strategy to do. We contained Commies for over 40 years. Gun control proponents aren’t going anywhere, is it a bad thing to keep supporting efforts to keep them at bay domestically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: ISIS is still there, and Pompeo avoided the topic of the inevitable slaughter of our allies when we leave. As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Gun control proponents aren’t going anywhere, is it a bad thing to keep supporting efforts to keep them at bay domestically? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:52:38 AM EDT
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Yes, we will always face threats that we will ALWAYS have to address. That’s kind of the point of our National Security apparatus. Someday we will wake up, and the ONLY Superpower with a global footprint, military bases on every continent, and the ability to project power across the globe will be China. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: ISIS is still there, and Pompeo avoided the topic of the inevitable slaughter of our allies when we leave. As the DoD said recently, the gains against ISIS are “vulnerable” and we have “tough battles ahead.” Nothing has changed. Seems to be a never ending problem that will not stop. Someday we will wake up, and the ONLY Superpower with a global footprint, military bases on every continent, and the ability to project power across the globe will be China. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:57:36 AM EDT
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If that is what the American voters want (i.e., not staying in places for extended periods of time) then that is the way it will be sooner or later. You, Bohr and I can fight that ideology but in the end we will lose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes, we will always face threats that we will ALWAYS have to address. That’s kind of the point of our National Security apparatus. Someday we will wake up, and the ONLY Superpower with a global footprint, military bases on every continent, and the ability to project power across the globe will be China. You, Bohr and I can fight that ideology but in the end we will lose. People whine and cry “elitist!” when you suggest that there are military and intelligence subject matter experts who know more than a poll. A multi-decade, long term approach to National Security is essential. We look at what threats we expect to face in 20 years, and try to be prepared to face them. Long term planning is never something populists appreciate. It’s like white trash and retirement plans. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:59:42 AM EDT
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That’s what George Washington would have wanted... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:00:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The downfall of populism. People whine and cry “elitist!” when you suggest that there are military and intelligence subject matter experts who know more than a poll. A multi-decade, long term approach to National Security is essential. We look at what threats we expect to face in 20 years, and try to be prepared to face them. Long term planning is never something populists appreciate. It’s like white trash and retirement plans. But it is what it is. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:09:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: George Washington wanted China to be a Superpower with the ability to impose their will on the US? I did not know that. And we would know for sure if he had lived long enough...…...and we KNOW Jefferson was. |
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