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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:14:43 PM EDT
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The Boston Dynamics “Do you love me” video should disabuse you of any happy fun notions.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:15:45 PM EDT
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Interesting thought experiment.
The government couldn’t build one because it would never meet all the requirements. I bet Ole Muskie could build one. ETA: I’m thinking of the raw computer and skeleton. Living tissue would be a stretch. I don’t know why you would give it tissue though. The metal machine would be terrifying enough. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:15:50 PM EDT
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The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:15:54 PM EDT
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Present technology lets us Ginsu knife terrorists and the car in front of them suffers no collateral damage.
Shooting up a police station or night club is just crude in comparison. Far more likely skynet of the future will just turn off everything to problem people, no internet or bank and you are homeless struggling to survive, nobody will help you unless they want to join you |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. I think this is the main problem. The servos, motors, electronics, and other mechanical stuff we can do now. But powering it all is the problem. Same issue with real life armored exoskeletons. The the exoskeletons exist already, but need to be tethered to a power supply. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:21:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is the main problem. The servos, motors, electronics, and other mechanical stuff we can do now. But powering it all is the problem. Same issue with real life armored exoskeletons. The the exoskeletons exist already, but need to be tethered to a power supply. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. I think this is the main problem. The servos, motors, electronics, and other mechanical stuff we can do now. But powering it all is the problem. Same issue with real life armored exoskeletons. The the exoskeletons exist already, but need to be tethered to a power supply. Small swarm of drones with facial recognition and a 22 LR will get the job done, that is possible with todays technology. In many ways that is scarier than a T-800 level of robot |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:21:45 PM EDT
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I think battery tech is the one thing holding it back. I doubt they would be as robust as in the movies. Probably more like I, Robot. Or Chappie.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:27:40 PM EDT
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swarms of drones would get pretty interesting if they could self charge. I wonder how hard it would be to set them up for wireless charging. Put out a few thousand charging stations, keep a few on target with the ability to activate 1000's that are charged an on standby.
While I am actively imagining things - allowing them to retract their blades and giving them a ability to take off with the blades retracted could allow the swarms to store in a relatively small area. I am imagining a trailer based launching system with tubes - and charging stations at the bottom of the tubes. At even 1/4sq ft per drone, a 6x12 trailer could carry close to 500. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:27:59 PM EDT
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Well other countries have brothels with sex dolls already. So sure why not.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:29:48 PM EDT
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 Boston Dynamics: Rise of the Dance of the Machines |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:32:26 PM EDT
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I think that there are still major problems with optical recognition.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:32:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: swarms of drones would get pretty interesting if they could self charge. I wonder how hard it would be to set them up for wireless charging. Put out a few thousand charging stations, keep a few on target with the ability to activate 1000's that are charged an on standby. While I am actively imagining things - allowing them to retract their blades and giving them a ability to take off with the blades retracted could allow the swarms to store in a relatively small area. I am imagining a trailer based launching system with tubes - and charging stations at the bottom of the tubes. At even 1/4sq ft per drone, a 6x12 trailer could carry close to 500. I’m mechanically inept, but could you not build it so its motion powers an alternator to charge the battery as it goes? Kind of like a car’s combustion engine charges the battery? You’d just need to generate power at the rates that it is consumed. We probably don’t have that level of efficiency yet, but in time maybe. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:33:20 PM EDT
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If it could be done, would dogs be able to tell?
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:35:04 PM EDT
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The machine? Absolutely
The AI? Probably The living tissue that looks human? Wouldn't surprise me |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m mechanically inept, but could you not build it so its motion powers an alternator to charge the battery as it goes? Kind of like a car’s combustion engine charges the battery? You’d just need to generate power at the rates that it is consumed. We probably don’t have that level of efficiency yet, but in time maybe. Am I misreading this or are you asking if a perpetual motion machine is possible? 
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:36:13 PM EDT
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Drone swarms scare me.
How do you fight 1000 autonomous little drones? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:36:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that there are still major problems with optical recognition. Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that there are still major problems with optical recognition. In the first movie, every Sarah Conner in the phone book was getting killed, so a few people who look similar on facial recognition wouldn't deter skynet Quoted: I’m mechanically inept, but could you not build it so its motion powers an alternator to charge the battery as it goes? Kind of like a car’s combustion engine charges the battery? You’d just need to generate power at the rates that it is consumed. We probably don’t have that level of efficiency yet, but in time maybe. No, you are basically describing perpetual motion. The alternator in your car is powered by the motor, if you dyno a car with the belts on, then remove the belt there is a several horsepower difference. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drone swarms scare me. How do you fight 1000 autonomous little drones?  Sons of Guns Shotgun Gatling Gun T |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm mechanically inept, but could you not build it so its motion powers an alternator to charge the battery as it goes? Kind of like a car's combustion engine charges the battery? You'd just need to generate power at the rates that it is consumed. We probably don't have that level of efficiency yet, but in time maybe. It won't run for years, but dropping 10 out of a swat truck to ruin your day would be feasible. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it could be done, would dogs be able to tell? Until they get to blade runner level good, I think dogs would be able to tell. I’m pretty sure my dog can tell I’m about to take a shit before I realize I need to. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. Seconded |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:49:00 PM EDT
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Those are called humans, lol.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:50:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:52:55 PM EDT
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The power supply is the limiting factor.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:53:51 PM EDT
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Well its possible if the guy delivering the parts pulls over and changes the flat tire instead of driving until his teeth are the only identifiable part of him left.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drone swarms scare me. How do you fight 1000 autonomous little drones? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well its possible if the guy delivering the parts pulls over and changes the flat tire instead of driving until his teeth are the only identifiable part of him left. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:56:14 PM EDT
[#28]
Not anytime soon because power source.
Also, fluid motion. And interactivity for covert insertions. Mostly because power source. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:56:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until they get to blade runner level good, I think dogs would be able to tell. I’m pretty sure my dog can tell I’m about to take a shit before I realize I need to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it could be done, would dogs be able to tell? Until they get to blade runner level good, I think dogs would be able to tell. I’m pretty sure my dog can tell I’m about to take a shit before I realize I need to. My dog would just lay on her back waiting for Terminator belly-rubs
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Boston Dynamics “Do you love me” video should disabuse you of any happy fun notions. QFT. I said when I saw that, "Just put some metallic shell on this and give it a gun and it's a T800." Fuggin scary. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:19:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I misreading this or are you asking if a perpetual motion machine is possible? Like an automatic watch 
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:24:28 PM EDT
[#32]
Once battery technology advances yes.
Right now robots batt will be dead in a few hours or less. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:26:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: QFT. I said when I saw that, "Just put some metallic shell on this and give it a gun and it's a T800." Fuggin scary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Boston Dynamics “Do you love me” video should disabuse you of any happy fun notions. QFT. I said when I saw that, "Just put some metallic shell on this and give it a gun and it's a T800." Fuggin scary. Maybe a T70. T800 used the living tissue exterior. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drone swarms scare me. How do you fight 1000 autonomous little drones? EMP, or if you can't do that, get a screen door. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. at this time, I would have to agree.. the IC engines that power the Boston Dynamic units are not the answer... people won't like the answer...
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EMP, or if you can't do that, get a screen door. lasers and AI...
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m mechanically inept, but could you not build it so its motion powers an alternator to charge the battery as it goes? Kind of like a car’s combustion engine charges the battery? You’d just need to generate power at the rates that it is consumed. We probably don’t have that level of efficiency yet, but in time maybe. US, Russia, China all have this already. China's drone-style MLRS carries about 100 drones on it, all with about a 40 mile range, and more than enough warhead to take out vehicles. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. This 100% |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:20:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is valid. Microwave gun? Works wonders on crowds and doesn't need bullets |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:28:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do we still not have mech suits for power loading? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/259519/0B24A136-C870-491B-A504-A702493CECE4_jpe-1762555.JPG They are coming.  Sarcos Guardian XO Powered Exosuit Demo |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. This. Till they figure out a more efficient power source, I don’t think you will see an autonomous type of platform that could function for many years without a recharge. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real limitation for the foreseeable future, in my uninformed opinion, is the power supply. Yep. They'd have to armor the battery pack up pretty well, too. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:39:33 AM EDT
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Look at how far some electric scooters can go. Lot of the battery life in bipedal robots is waisted on inefficient motion. A lot of Boston dynamic progress is some really creative gearing for their motors. Taking the force of a spinning motor and duplicating the results of a muscle can easily waste a lot of the force of the motor. Look at linear actuators. A simple linear actuators is not good at getting the vareity of speeds and force needed by a good bipedal robot. Terminator style tech is within the realm of possibity. There are a few key hurdles yet and it does not look like it will be long before they are solved.
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting thought experiment. The government couldn’t build one because it would never meet all the requirements. I bet Ole Muskie could build one. ETA: I’m thinking of the raw computer and skeleton. Living tissue would be a stretch. I don’t know why you would give it tissue though. The metal machine would be terrifying enough. Keeping the tissue viable would be the biggest hurdle, but that is only needed for infiltration and time travel. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:43:35 AM EDT
[#45]
Seems like you could build a humanoid robot, but why v a sphere or some other shape.
Drones and nano weapons will probably do us in |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do we still not have mech suits for power loading? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/259519/0B24A136-C870-491B-A504-A702493CECE4_jpe-1762555.JPG Power loading? Ha! I'm waiting for mechs with large bore auto cannons and heavy gauss rifles.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:47:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like you could build a humanoid robot, but why v a sphere or some other shape. Drones and nano weapons will probably do us in Infiltration, of course. They never really explained why that was so important. But they wanted to infiltrate into human compounds. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:54:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like you could build a humanoid robot, but why v a sphere or some other shape. Drones and nano weapons will probably do us in I brought up similar arguments in a few other threads. The only reason to have an anthropoid robot is to help people emotionally connect with it easier, and to perhaps appease mankind's innate vanity. Treads, wheels, quad legs, and the like are all more inherently stable designs. A bipedal robot would be rife with balance issues, and would likely require an extremely large gyroscopic stabilization system. Battletech, here we come! 
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drone swarms scare me. How do you fight 1000 autonomous little drones? Nets. Shitloads of balloons. Shotguns. GPS Jammers. Think low-tech, don't think in terms of a bunch of stinger missiles. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:56:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nets. Shitloads of balloons. Shotguns. GPS Jammers. Think low-tech, don't think in terms of a bunch of stinger missiles. How about Faraday cages with large degaussing loops at every entrance? The smaller a drone is, the less room there is for EMP shielding. |
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