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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:13:18 PM EDT
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Which is a big CROCK OF SHIT, in my humble opinion. Use the definitions given to you to fullest extent available. Facts are facts is how the left works, and a lot of times it is twisted special facts. This is not even twisted or special facts. It is real facts. Again VERY disappointed in his stance on this issue! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4 or more people. That's a pretty low threshold. Another reason it doesn't hold water is because most of them - as far as I can tell - had some kind of motive that "makes sense". Robbery. Domestic violence. Drug deal gone wrong. I'm not excusing the level of violence, but we're talking about mass shooters in terms of a guy with no relation to the victims just blowing his top and going out in a blaze of glory. The other people on that list don't fit the bill. Call it a societal problem to ignore the others, but we tend to over-dramatize things we don't understand, like a guy driving from Dallas to El Paso and shooting a bunch of people in Wal Mart. That is inherently more scary than a gang-related shooting where 4 people are killed. Take that 4 or more stuff up with people who keep stats and make the definitions. THE MEDIA TENDS TO OVER DRAMATIZE THINGS. I am all about facts too. The media wants their own set of facts. You can either use their own facts against them or not. If you cannot see the reasons this was posted, or why I am not sure what to tell you. But it is way past time to choose up sides. I am against the tin foil BS just like you. But this goes by REAL definitions and stats. NO WE DO NOT HAVE A WHITE MALE MASS SHOOTER PROBLEM. You can believe or not. But FACTS ARE FACTS. Believe them or not. 
ETA: I would also add I am extremely disappointed in your take on this matter. Not that you care, but real facts are real facts, and you tend to ask for them a lot. Once presented you don't like them? This is not even twisted or special facts. It is real facts. Again VERY disappointed in his stance on this issue! 33 round Glock mag dumped into ghetto-que leaving 4 dead including a child by a goblin. 100(200?) times per year. "No problem." AR mag dumped at Walmart. 5 times per year. "We've got a huge problem with gun violence, in our country, from 20 - 30 year old whitey." |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:13:44 PM EDT
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Only reasons for not giving name of shooter or motive is to roll up others involved (not likely in this case) or to control the narrative. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:14:14 PM EDT
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Cops must have had something on him before they tried to pull him over. I have yet to see a cop pull someone over for failing to use a turn signal --- I WISH THEY WOULD!!! But I think they were on him for some other reason and jumped on it when he failed to signal. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:14:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lady was upset they didn't give his name so they could search his social media to see if he was a Trump supporter! And said the police are supposed to give them all info so that they the media can decide what is relevant to the public! It's incredible they don't even try to hide their bias and true colors anymore. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:17:43 PM EDT
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Probably a drug runner. I could’ve sworn I heard DEA mentioned in that press conference. Good reason why they won’t give a name right now.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:18:52 PM EDT
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Makes no sense. 33 round Glock mag dumped into ghetto-que leaving 4 dead including a child by a goblin. 100(200?) times per year. "No problem." AR mag dumped at Walmart. 5 times per year. "We've got a huge problem with gun violence, in our country, from 20 - 30 year old whitey." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4 or more people. That's a pretty low threshold. Another reason it doesn't hold water is because most of them - as far as I can tell - had some kind of motive that "makes sense". Robbery. Domestic violence. Drug deal gone wrong. I'm not excusing the level of violence, but we're talking about mass shooters in terms of a guy with no relation to the victims just blowing his top and going out in a blaze of glory. The other people on that list don't fit the bill. Call it a societal problem to ignore the others, but we tend to over-dramatize things we don't understand, like a guy driving from Dallas to El Paso and shooting a bunch of people in Wal Mart. That is inherently more scary than a gang-related shooting where 4 people are killed. Take that 4 or more stuff up with people who keep stats and make the definitions. THE MEDIA TENDS TO OVER DRAMATIZE THINGS. I am all about facts too. The media wants their own set of facts. You can either use their own facts against them or not. If you cannot see the reasons this was posted, or why I am not sure what to tell you. But it is way past time to choose up sides. I am against the tin foil BS just like you. But this goes by REAL definitions and stats. NO WE DO NOT HAVE A WHITE MALE MASS SHOOTER PROBLEM. You can believe or not. But FACTS ARE FACTS. Believe them or not.
ETA: I would also add I am extremely disappointed in your take on this matter. Not that you care, but real facts are real facts, and you tend to ask for them a lot. Once presented you don't like them? This is not even twisted or special facts. It is real facts. Again VERY disappointed in his stance on this issue! 33 round Glock mag dumped into ghetto-que leaving 4 dead including a child by a goblin. 100(200?) times per year. "No problem." AR mag dumped at Walmart. 5 times per year. "We've got a huge problem with gun violence, in our country, from 20 - 30 year old whitey." Pisses me off to no end. "We" are our own worst enemy if "WE" can't even see this. I don't give a flying shit about they "type" of evil. I don't give a flying shit that a mass shooting is classified as 4 or more. FACT ARE MF'ing FACTS!!!! 
PEOPLE DYING ARE PEOPLE DYING. The wild card is who we choose to vilify and why we are vilifying them. I would hope that all 2nd amendment proponents would be able to see this. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:22:42 PM EDT
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Did it strike anybody else as deplorable that the Governor, Chief of Police, FBI, TX Rangers, DEA, Postal Inspectors, Sherriffs, US Marshals, and every other governmental agency in existence was on that stage...and nobody bothered to read a list of the names of the victims?
The dead aren't worthy of that small 2 minute gesture of remembrance? Seems none of those TOP MEN thought so. 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:24:53 PM EDT
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Many folks wondering why no name was mentioned or why no talk of the AR untill asked don’t know much about native West Texans. Anti gun talk isn’t popular here and the public officials know that and they have an election coming up. The reporter that brought up the new laws that just now went into effect is an idiot. None of those have anything to do with what occurred this weekend or anything that would have changed this situation.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:24:59 PM EDT
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Hardly the garden spot of Texas, but man what money is being made out there.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stay away from Midland and Odessa? No problem, that area is depressing! It reminds me of a mad max movie setting. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:26:20 PM EDT
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Good point. That section of I-20 they can always catch people speeding. Seems an odd low lying fruit to stop somebody for, failing to indicate a turn. Hell, maybe getting stopped and 'harassed' (or what he perceived as being harassed) fairly often is what set the fucker off. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:26:53 PM EDT
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Did it strike anybody else as deplorable that the Governor, Chief of Police, FBI, TX Rangers, DEA, Postal Inspectors, Sherriffs, US Marshals, and every other governmental agency in existence was on that stage...and nobody bothered to read a list of the names of the victims? The dead aren't worthy of that small 2 minute gesture of remembrance? Seems none of those TOP MEN thought so. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:27:42 PM EDT
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What difference does it make? He's fucking dead. It's not like he can enjoy or benefit from any notariety. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or maybe they don't wanna give this asshat any publicity It's not like he can enjoy or benefit from any notariety. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes no sense. 33 round Glock mag dumped into ghetto-que leaving 4 dead including a child by a goblin. 100(200?) times per year. "No problem." AR mag dumped at Walmart. 5 times per year. "We've got a huge problem with gun violence, in our country, from 20 - 30 year old whitey." |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:29:36 PM EDT
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Did it strike anybody else as deplorable that the Governor, Chief of Police, FBI, TX Rangers, DEA, Postal Inspectors, Sherriffs, US Marshals, and every other governmental agency in existence was on that stage...and nobody bothered to read a list of the names of the victims? The dead aren't worthy of that small 2 minute gesture of remembrance? Seems none of those TOP MEN thought so. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:30:12 PM EDT
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giving him fame encourages copycats Copycats are going to mimic his actions, not his name. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:30:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did think it was odd that there was no mention or update on the number of dead or injured. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:31:00 PM EDT
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Again, I'd wager the DPS guys knew who he was and used the no turn signal PC to justify a fishing expedition. Hell, maybe getting stopped and 'harassed' (or what he perceived as being harassed) fairly often is what set the fucker off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good point. That section of I-20 they can always catch people speeding. Seems an odd low lying fruit to stop somebody for, failing to indicate a turn. Hell, maybe getting stopped and 'harassed' (or what he perceived as being harassed) fairly often is what set the fucker off. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:33:25 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:34:10 PM EDT
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"We will be looking at legislators to find out what the best solution is for Texas." |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:34:42 PM EDT
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I was thinking they were waiting to make notifications to family for all the victims first. I don't think it was lack of concern on their part. Now the media not asking the question would fall under that category, IMO. Hell, the FBI has the resources to track somebody down anywhere in the world in 12 hours. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:35:50 PM EDT
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I don't buy into that. His name would have little bearing on encouraging a copycat. Copycats are going to mimic his actions, not his name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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giving him fame encourages copycats Copycats are going to mimic his actions, not his name. As an aside, has anyone in this thread posted a good breakdown of what happened? I'm trying to navigate this thread but it's a bit of a clusterfuck trying to find the actual facts as opposed to commentary (both good and bad) and the sheer idiocy/panic that always comes up with these sort of threads. If there is a good breakdown post or several I'd appreciate a link(s). |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:36:24 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:36:28 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:36:58 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:37:35 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:38:14 PM EDT
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Mylife says he's Jewish and a Democrat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:38:30 PM EDT
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Normandy1944 seems to have an agenda. That said, he/she/it fails to see the problem for what it REALLY is, simple violence. The questions we should be asking involve WHY this is occurring (on ALL sides). In some cases, it is based on profit motive and lack of concern for consequences. In other cases, pure tribalism. In some other cases, it can be fear, lost hope, or a feeling of disenfranchisement based on media demonization. Some of these guys perceive themselves in the same way as a Jew against the Nazis during the Holocaust, or a Ukrainian farmer against the Socialists during the Holodomor. They see themselves on the edge of extermination or slavery. Last, there is perhaps the smallest the truly mentally ill who act out of emotion (anger, pain) or delusion. Rather, Normandy is hung up on the race issue. He/she/it fails to see that much of the "ghetto this and ghetto that" commentary is blowback from the media demonization and blame/ shame of white conservatives. It is a reaction to the false and unreasonable accusations by media and Leftist politicians who use those accusations to further their quest for power and control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that.?? Rather, Normandy is hung up on the race issue. He/she/it fails to see that much of the "ghetto this and ghetto that" commentary is blowback from the media demonization and blame/ shame of white conservatives. It is a reaction to the false and unreasonable accusations by media and Leftist politicians who use those accusations to further their quest for power and control. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:38:31 PM EDT
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That was on the police chief. He let his emotions get the best of him and couldn't really pull it together. His thoughts and comments were all over the place. I don't know if he was winging it, unprepared, or just shell shocked, but his opening statement left out almost every key detail. Hell, he's the fucking Chief of Police and he didn't know about the pickup truck chase that resulted in gunfire and a cop running his cruiser into the side of a house? How out of touch can you get there, Chiefy? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:38:39 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:39:35 PM EDT
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That shit isn't reliable at all and changes constantly. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:39:51 PM EDT
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Mylife says he's Jewish and a Democrat. Someone should screenshot before they change it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:40:18 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ Seth Ator Democrat Native American https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:40:32 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ Mylife is a scam site where anyone can publish anything about anyone. It is not reliable information. Stop posting links to it in every mass shooter thread. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:40:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:41:21 PM EDT
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Don't put much stock in that when only one outlet is saying it. They frequently screw up basics like names in their rush to get anything, no matter how incorrect it may be, out there to generate clicks. If a legit name was released you'd be seeing several places putting it out there at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:41:32 PM EDT
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Mylife says he's Jewish and a Democrat. Someone should screenshot before they change it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:41:34 PM EDT
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A site listed this info on a Seth Altor
Well somebody has already changed his political affiliation from DEMOCRATIC to Republican on the MyLife site check previous link above. My Life Summary Seth Ator's birthday is 09/27/1982 and is 36 years old. Seth's Reputation Score is 2.90. Previously cities included Waco TX and Amarillo TX. Seth A Ator and Seth Aaron Ator are some of the alias or nicknames that Seth has used. We know that Seth's political affiliation is Democrat; ethnicity is Native American/Jewish; and religious views are listed as Orthodox Jewish. Currently, Seth is single. Seth maintains relationships with many people -- family, friends, associates, & neighbors -- including Elissa Ator, Elissa Ator, Dennis Ator, Debra Warren and Deborah Ator. Seth's net worth hovers over $25,000 - $49,999 with a yearly income that's about $70 - 79,999. View All Details Birthday:9/27/1982 Political Party:Republican Party Ethnicity:Caucasian Religion:Christian Income:$70 - $79,999 Net Worth:$25,000 - $49,999 Relationship:Divorced Kids:9 |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:42:02 PM EDT
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Man I know you're a mod and all but..... Seriously dude? You're gonna white knight an obvious troll? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What has he said that's wrong? Is there not an opioid epidemic? Are the mass shooters that end up on these rampages not typically 20-30 year old white makes? Just look at this thread: We've had people blaming one or any of the following: Antifa, atheists, public education, illegal immigrants, etc. It's a ref;exive blame-game in the desperate hope that the bad guy is one of "them" - them being someone from a group we don't like. Add in a few conspiracy nuts that are claiming the FBI, police, and everyone else is working overtime to cover it all up, and you get your typical Arfcom GD derp thread. Seriously dude? You're gonna white knight an obvious troll? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know MyLife.com is what it is, so take this with a grain of salt... Seth Ator Democrat Native American https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:42:36 PM EDT
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A site listed this info on a Seth Altor Summary Seth Ator's birthday is 09/27/1982 and is 36 years old. Seth's Reputation Score is 2.90. Previously cities included Waco TX and Amarillo TX. Seth A Ator and Seth Aaron Ator are some of the alias or nicknames that Seth has used. We know that Seth's political affiliation is Democrat; ethnicity is Native American/Jewish; and religious views are listed as Orthodox Jewish. Currently, Seth is single. Seth maintains relationships with many people -- family, friends, associates, & neighbors -- including Elissa Ator, Elissa Ator, Dennis Ator, Debra Warren and Deborah Ator. Seth's net worth hovers over $25,000 - $49,999 with a yearly income that's about $70 - 79,999. View All Details Birthday:9/27/1982 Political Party:Republican Party Ethnicity:Caucasian Religion:Christian Income:$70 - $79,999 Net Worth:$25,000 - $49,999 Relationship:Divorced Kids:9 |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:42:47 PM EDT
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I'd wager he didn't know who he was, or he'd have taken a more tactical approach to the car I.E. felony stop, a back up etc When fishing goes awry. 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:43:21 PM EDT
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Yep, but the probability it's changed already is low. Quoted: Anyone can change it, but it could be a place to start. Quoted: I know MyLife.com is what it is, so take this with a grain of salt... Seth Ator Democrat Native American https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:44:17 PM EDT
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OH for fucks sake... Mylife is a scam site where anyone can publish anything about anyone. It is not reliable information. Stop posting links to it in every mass shooter thread. I hope we're not about to get 8 pages of that crap like we did for El Paso. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has never, not even once, been right about these things. No one posts accurate info on that site, it exists almost entirely for scams and misinformation. Go look into that site's business model and then tell me it how could ever have accurate info. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:45:03 PM EDT
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I believe CBS just posted his name as Seth Atorhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shooting-in-texas-odessa-midland-at-least-6-dead-3-police-injured-mass-shooting-latest-news-2019-09-01/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:45:04 PM EDT
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I promise we will. There are a ton of gullible people on ARF.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:45:27 PM EDT
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Mylife says he's Jewish and a Democrat. Someone should screenshot before they change it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:46:28 PM EDT
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So is the guys name William or Paco?
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:46:35 PM EDT
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Cached version of mylife from august.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OOo1yhBfxcQJ:https://www.mylife.com/seth-ator/e20170702092+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 2:46:43 PM EDT
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This says he was a turd sniffer that drove an acid truck in the patch.
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