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Posted: 10/11/2013 6:55:58 PM EDT
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The Militarization of Fudd rifles.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 6:59:02 PM EDT
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On a semi-related note, when my can gets approved I'd like to cut a .300BLK handi-rifle down to 14.5 and perm pin the mount on there.
Seems like it would make a hell of a sweet setup for a farm gun.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:02:06 PM EDT
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18" with an SPR Varmint 308 http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y214/ultramagbrion/MY%20WEAPONS/IMG_06911_zpsf520b870.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think 16" is too short for my needs. 18" would most likely get it done. I like 24" barrels for 1000+ yards. 18" with an SPR Varmint 308 http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y214/ultramagbrion/MY%20WEAPONS/IMG_06911_zpsf520b870.jpg Looks nice |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:03:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:04:10 PM EDT
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My 16" Ruger Hawkeye in .308 http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/chicagoV12/Guns/DSCN0354.jpg That's 16 inches? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:05:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:05:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:06:43 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm.
Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:09:43 PM EDT
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16" DTA SRS: http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/covert_mp5-lr.jpg 22" + long FH: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/SRS_308_vs_M4.JPG/800px-SRS_308_vs_M4.JPG Barrels and bolts can be swapped on either model to various calibers, including .338LM. are these things really taken seriously? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:11:39 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? Forgive me father, I have sinned. I post this as penance. 
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:15:40 PM EDT
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McNasty did a shorty rebarrel on my m70 to 300 black out. Maybe he will see this thread and post a pic.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:18:26 PM EDT
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You don't lose that much. You might lose 100-150 but that can all be made up with superperformance rounds. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like 20" for .308. It's a nice compromise length: still fairly compact, but having about 200 fps more than 16". But 16" would be really nice for deer hunting with a suppressor. You don't lose that much. You might lose 100-150 but that can all be made up with superperformance rounds. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile We've only seen a 50-80 difference between the 20"SASS and 16" variants |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:25:37 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? what can't you do with a 20" barrel on a 308 that a 26 will do? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:25:59 PM EDT
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are these things really taken seriously? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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16" DTA SRS: http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/covert_mp5-lr.jpg 22" + long FH: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/SRS_308_vs_M4.JPG/800px-SRS_308_vs_M4.JPG Barrels and bolts can be swapped on either model to various calibers, including .338LM. are these things really taken seriously? high-point's precision line? 
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:26:19 PM EDT
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My Ishapore is gonna end up like this.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:30:19 PM EDT
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My Ishapore is gonna end up like this. http://i46.tinypic.com/sngas9.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/uwoes.jpg 
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:33:42 PM EDT
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My Ishapore is gonna end up like this. http://i46.tinypic.com/sngas9.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/uwoes.jpg Looks pretty slick. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:43:26 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? How many rooms has baby Jesus cleared? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:45:12 PM EDT
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When I was about 20 I had a Remington Mod 600 in 308 Win with an 18" bbl. It was pretty light weight, kicked like a mule and one noisy SOB with that short bbl. Sold that thing a very long time ago, replaced with a Rem Mod 700 with a 22" bbl, much more reasonable.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:46:17 PM EDT
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My Ishapore is gonna end up like this. http://i46.tinypic.com/sngas9.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/uwoes.jpg Looks pretty slick. I know, right? A short knockabout 7.62x51 rifle. Made in India in 1964, so I'm just a bit older. Than the rifle, not India. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:49:46 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? LOL 
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:50:06 PM EDT
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We have some 14.5" .308 at work that they hit the 1000meter target with
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:51:14 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? LOL
He needs to just stay on the couch where he belongs. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:52:07 PM EDT
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My 16" Ruger Hawkeye in .308 http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/chicagoV12/Guns/DSCN0354.jpg That's 16 inches? Yes. The stock is proportionally smaller and has a shorter LOP so I guess it's hard to tell without another rifle next to it as a reference. If it helps, the scope is a Leupold Ultralight EFR 3-9x and it's 11.6" long. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:54:14 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? Bro, do you even MOUT? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:54:16 PM EDT
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My Ishapore is gonna end up like this. http://i46.tinypic.com/sngas9.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/uwoes.jpg Gorgeous. The only Ishapores I see around here have been bubba'd so badly I've never picked one up. (I'm talking, JB weld the scope mount to the receiver for your Tasco scope type stupid)
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Posted: 10/11/2013 7:54:36 PM EDT
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I'll never have any thing longer than 22", I was always told that short barrels were a waste on magnum rifles. Yes, you get more velocity from a longer barrel, but how much is lost in short barrels is way over estimated. I've shot the same 210VLD/retumbo load in 26,24, and 22" barrels, from 26 to 22 I lost on average less than 40fps. It is currently pushing a 210VLD @ 2950 and that is 4gns under max load, it will do 3000 but I haven't fine tuned the load, I can get 190s to just under 3300 also. ETA: the proof 
That was the first 10rds out of the barrel, a batch of 300 RUM 190VLD proof loads |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:00:08 PM EDT
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http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae52/762RUM/B8FC932A-7B7E-42C3-A6D1-3E85652B8378-151-00000011528B9234_zps225cf9ba.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae52/762RUM/8D8ECD7E-B420-4530-8EE4-FB6AF84EAE70-471-00000041C96F3099_zpse662fd56.jpg I'll never have any thing longer than 22", I was always told that short barrels were a waste on magnum rifles. Yes, you get more velocity from a longer barrel, but how much is lost in short barrels is way over estimated. I've shot the same 210VLD/retumbo load in 26,24, and 22" barrels, from 26 to 22 I lost on average less than 40fps. It is currently pushing a 210VLD @ 2950 and that is 4gns under max load, it will do 3000 but I haven't fine tuned the load, I can get 190s to just under 3300 also. VERY nice |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:08:58 PM EDT
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Saw this on another site, and I think it's cool as hell. I wouldn't want one in .243, but .308 should work just fine. Must hide credit card. If this lovely beast belongs to you: excellent rifle, I'm jealous. http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2720/1smu.jpg Does anyone know the specs on this rifle? Stock, barrel, action etc.... |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:10:23 PM EDT
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? All else being equal, a shorter barrel will tend to be more inherently accurate than a longer barrel. It becomes a balancing act between accuracy and velocity. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:13:41 PM EDT
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Saw this on another site, and I think it's cool as hell. I wouldn't want one in .243, but .308 should work just fine. Must hide credit card. If this lovely beast belongs to you: excellent rifle, I'm jealous. http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2720/1smu.jpg Does anyone know the specs on this rifle? Stock, barrel, action etc.... Here toy go: It's a Bighorn receiver, Bartlein 1-10 twist barrel (.308) cut at 16.25 inches and fluted by Kampfeld, APA bolt knob, TBAC 30BA mount with SAC/TBAC thread protector until the can clears. Bravo Co grip, Surefire/Dueck RTS Offset sights, Nightforce 2.5-10x32 mil/mil, zs, with ARC rings. Rock Solid chassis, with the NVD rail. I added the Magpul MOE rail on the forend for bipod use. Built by Mark at SAC. It's the sweetest rifle I've ever owned. (End of post from owner) |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:13:56 PM EDT
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:17:01 PM EDT
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:19:04 PM EDT
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. I thought that was Palma shooters? Either way, a side note to all this is tighter twist rates, like 1:8 for 308,300, etc. In short it has the affect of spinning a top faster, the more RPM imparted on it the longer it will retain it, it really helps in the transonic zone. this one I haven't tested myself, but I've read about and seen some very intersting rifles setup this way, using short barrels to. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:19:32 PM EDT
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. No. That's the most efficient barrel length, but you'll still get more velocity with a longer barrel. Otherwise Palma shooters would be chopping they're barrels... Instead they're running 30" tubes to crank 155's out to range. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.  |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:38:33 PM EDT
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Uhh, more velocity? Duh? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
what's the velocity difference between 20 and 26 what's the change at 1k both not enough to matter..... no more math required 
and yea, I've shot over 100 yds once or twice in my life 
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:47:04 PM EDT
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what can't you do with a 20" barrel on a 308 that a 26 will do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? what can't you do with a 20" barrel on a 308 that a 26 will do? It becomes an issue if you care about bullet performance on tissue. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:48:34 PM EDT
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Uhh, more velocity? Duh? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
This man knows whats up. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 8:55:29 PM EDT
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It becomes an issue if you care about bullet performance on tissue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? what can't you do with a 20" barrel on a 308 that a 26 will do? It becomes an issue if you care about bullet performance on tissue. ok, at 1k - shooting a 308 - what's the change from a 26 to a 20" barrel..... how does that compare to having 30" sticking out in front of you vs 36" and having to swing that around If I need to make killing shots at 1000+ on a regular basis (like hunting) I'm picking something other than a 308 to do it with anyway |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:05:51 PM EDT
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Uhh, more velocity? Duh? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
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.308 and offshoots get all their velocity with 20-22 in. Maybe even less with some powders. No point at all in having any more barrel than that. F-class shooters use 30" barrels. that would give my bolt gun a 40" barrel........... what would that give me that a 20" barrel won't in a 308? Do you even shoot further than 100 yards, bro? Shorter barrels require more mathematics. I do mathematics all day long. I try to keep my recreational mathematics to a minimum.
shorter bbls do not require more mathematics. they require DIFFERENT mathematics. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:08:32 PM EDT
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ok, at 1k - shooting a 308 - what's the change from a 26 to a 20" barrel..... how does that compare to having 30" sticking out in front of you vs 36" and having to swing that around If I need to make killing shots at 1000+ on a regular basis (like hunting) I'm picking something other than a 308 to do it with anyway Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Short barrels on AR's make baby Jesus facepalm. Short barrels on precision bolt actions make baby Jesus cry. Why do you like it when baby Jesus cries? what can't you do with a 20" barrel on a 308 that a 26 will do? It becomes an issue if you care about bullet performance on tissue. ok, at 1k - shooting a 308 - what's the change from a 26 to a 20" barrel..... how does that compare to having 30" sticking out in front of you vs 36" and having to swing that around If I need to make killing shots at 1000+ on a regular basis (like hunting) I'm picking something other than a 308 to do it with anyway in my opinion (for what its worth), .308 is a great round from 600-800 yrds. pick something else for 1000+ |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:09:03 PM EDT
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Anybody ever used the compact magnum calibers?
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:09:57 PM EDT
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in my opinion (for what its worth), .308 is a great round from 600-800 yrds. pick something else for 1000+ I agree it'll get there but if I'm shooting stuff that matters and I can, I'm going with something else....and THAT gun I'll have no problem with a 24-26" tube (300 etc...) |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:17:26 PM EDT
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When I build myself a 308 bolt gun again, it'll be a 22". My last rifle was a 26" 700P
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:47:36 PM EDT
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I have a Rem 600 Mohawk in .308 with a 16" barrel. I've had that rifle since the early '80s. Great shooting rifle.
The dogleg bolt handle causes people to give it second looks. |
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Posted: 10/11/2013 10:59:02 PM EDT
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Still kicking myself for not grabbing that 7.62x39 CZ when I was in Rapid City a couple years ago. :(
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Posted: 10/11/2013 11:28:06 PM EDT
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Meh.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 11:34:33 PM EDT
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McNasty did a shorty rebarrel on my m70 to 300 black out. Maybe he will see this thread and post a pic. I don't think I have it any more. It was a cutie though. |
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Posted: 10/12/2013 12:29:07 AM EDT
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I like 20" for .308. It's a nice compromise length: still fairly compact, but having about 200 fps more than 16". But 16" would be really nice for deer hunting with a suppressor. my ltr is spitting 168gr. fgmm at about 2550fps on average through the chrono. i would not want to take a velocity loss on that. a 200fps loss on that would put you in .300savage territory. no thanks. a 20" barrel is really about 18"s of tube and 2"s of chamber. if you had a 16" barrel youd be down to 14"s of tube to burn your powder and velocity would suffer. if you had a 100 yd zero, your drop at 300 yds would be pretty sad. we also chronoed a 24" barreled remington vs the same day with fgmm and only got about 120fps faster than the 20" barrel. iirc, we never broke the 2700fps barrier with the factory barrels. i realize with a custom barrel like a bartlien tight bore and a match chamber with a short throat you could prolly coax 2700fps out of a 20" tube but youd get pressure signs on your brass quicker. |
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