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Posted: 2/12/2022 5:20:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, enough clowning around from me with quotes from old threads of shotguns for home defense past. That was a fun trip down memory lane a massive amount of derp. Shotguns contain significant raw power and yes, can, without a doubt, make bad people stop doing bad things. No I don't want to be shot with one. The reality is most people will never deal with a home intruder. Further, the reality is the presence of any firearm of any type will help defuse a decent amount of home invasion situations so whether it's a shotgun, AR or single shot .22 derringer its pointless to argue. Where people get into trouble is when they cling to shotgun heritage and myth and respond defensively to any suggestion that better options for more dynamic situations exist. We have 20 years of data of AR style weapons smoking the fuck out of people at close range and inside structures. The days of "poodle shooters" and "varmint rounds" and "shits where it eats " are over for anybody save the drooling retard mouthbreathers. Shotguns serve a purpose. ARs serve MY purpose. I like my ar’s …they’re fancy …pretty good dust magnets in the safe too |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 6:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like my ar’s …they’re fancy …pretty good dust magnets in the safe too Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok, enough clowning around from me with quotes from old threads of shotguns for home defense past. That was a fun trip down memory lane a massive amount of derp. Shotguns contain significant raw power and yes, can, without a doubt, make bad people stop doing bad things. No I don't want to be shot with one. The reality is most people will never deal with a home intruder. Further, the reality is the presence of any firearm of any type will help defuse a decent amount of home invasion situations so whether it's a shotgun, AR or single shot .22 derringer its pointless to argue. Where people get into trouble is when they cling to shotgun heritage and myth and respond defensively to any suggestion that better options for more dynamic situations exist. We have 20 years of data of AR style weapons smoking the fuck out of people at close range and inside structures. The days of "poodle shooters" and "varmint rounds" and "shits where it eats " are over for anybody save the drooling retard mouthbreathers. Shotguns serve a purpose. ARs serve MY purpose. I like my ar’s …they’re fancy …pretty good dust magnets in the safe too It's ok, the world needs Fudds too. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 6:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Federal Flite Control Not trying to argue one way or another on the main topic, but you’d need a pretty giant house to worry about excessive shot spread with Flite control wads, 5.56 does the same thing cheaper, and can actually be found |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 6:35:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My land is my "home". 173 acres behind me, and a 115 acre lake in front of me. No fantasy. Just the reality that ugliness might happen beyond my tiny bedroom. Yeah well good luck with all that. 
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  even if we go with your Polly Anna version of life, aka "I just defend my bedroom".....an AR is still better than a shotgun. I'm sorry that you are so afraid.This whole "beyond 30 yards is a murder charge" myth is driven by the same Karen bullshit that makes our country weaker every day. Bunch of girl-men cowering in their bedrooms. With that avatar and the way you talk I'm going to go with you're a boomer and if so you will not have the eyesight or reaction time to do much so you keep trolling and we'll discuss home defense. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's ok, the world needs Fudds too. LOL, I’m about as much a fudd as members here especially in this thread are “operators” |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. 9 pellet though  Quote HistoryThe 8 pellet is in stock as well |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:29:19 PM EDT
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I'm trying to figure out how to put a super stabby on the end of my shotgun... :)
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to figure out how to put a super stabby on the end of my shotgun... :) Just get a Mossberg. 
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:34:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, I’m about as much a fudd as members here especially in this thread are “operators” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's ok, the world needs Fudds too. LOL, I’m about as much a fudd as members here especially in this thread are “operators” If rejecting the lore and built up shotgun-heritage makes one an "operator" than sign me up as one of Matt Best's backup singers on "Bitch I Operate II: Bro Vet Boogaloo" |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to figure out how to put a super stabby on the end of my shotgun... :) I prefer my stabby things to be attached to rifles instead. 
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:00:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Federal flight control solves that issue in a home. Unless your mansion has 100 yard long hallways I guess. 5.56 solves that same problem cheaper, and is more available. I can't remember the last time I've seen FCW for sale In stock that's a good price; i bought a case several years ago; shoot mostly 00 reloads for practice |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If rejecting the lore and built up shotgun-heritage makes one an "operator" than sign me up as one of Matt Best's backup singers on "Bitch I Operate II: Bro Vet Boogaloo" Good stuff haha |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With that avatar and the way you talk I'm going to go with you're a boomer and if so you will not have the eyesight or reaction time to do much so you keep trolling and we'll discuss home defense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: even if we go with your Polly Anna version of life, aka "I just defend my bedroom".....an AR is still better than a shotgun. I'm sorry that you are so afraid.This whole "beyond 30 yards is a murder charge" myth is driven by the same Karen bullshit that makes our country weaker every day. Bunch of girl-men cowering in their bedrooms. With that avatar and the way you talk I'm going to go with you're a boomer and if so you will not have the eyesight or reaction time to do much so you keep trolling and we'll discuss home defense. I love the internet. Get back to your safe room....
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:41:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah well good luck with all that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My land is my "home". 173 acres behind me, and a 115 acre lake in front of me. No fantasy. Just the reality that ugliness might happen beyond my tiny bedroom. Yeah well good luck with all that. "Luck" has very little to do with anything... |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI don't really want to get hit with a D-cell Maglite either. However, I don't use a Maglite for self defense. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the internet. Get back to your safe room....I was hoping that the safe room was your shanty, so we jerk our perch together.. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was hoping that the safe room was your shanty, so we jerk our perch together..  Attached FileTheir done ?? |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:27:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryThat the bait? |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That the bait? Quote HistoryQuoted: That the bait? Yeah there is no size to the perch this year. The biggest one there is only 9 inches. But they eat good.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got a new M4 a few weeks ago and got it all tricked out and 922r compliant. It’s been an absolute blast to shoot steel with 00 and slugs and I love the gun. Then I pulled out the trusty suppressed mk18 and did similar drills on 2 steel plates and yeah… about 2x as fast. One could argue the effectiveness of m193 out of a mk18 vs 00 bucks but at my home distances where 15yards is the max distance, the speed and versatility offered by my mk18 makes it the clear choice. Now if someone is living in California and can’t have an AR but can have a M4 ghost loaded to 5+1+1 with 00 buck, they might have a legitimate use case for a shotgun over a CA legal AR. But anyone who is proficient with both in a HD scenario should do the same drills with both guns and I’d bet the carbine comes out on top in speed and accuracy. Whew! Glad you got her all 922r compliant. Lethal and legal now. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:41:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah there is no size to the perch this year. The biggest one there is only 9 inches. But they eat good.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/281590/5F4789F7-59FF-4FBB-8ACE-0762E11139E6_jpe-2277308.JPG Looks good! |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:43:59 PM EDT
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I can tell which people have zero real world experience with discharging rifles inside a house.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have 8 shots when you can have 18 or 30? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shotguns are perfectly fine for home defense. Don't believe me? Come kick down my door and I'll prove it! Why have 8 shots when you can have 18 or 30? You even math bruh? Because 8x9=72. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2022 10:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You even math bruh? Because 8x9=72. Of pellets that have slightly worse ballistics than .32acp. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:00:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can tell which people have zero real world experience with discharging rifles inside a house. It's never that loud in video games.  |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of pellets that have slightly worse ballistics than .32acp. 32ACP. 800 to 900 FPS 60-80 gr bullet. OO buck. 1250 to 1400 FPS. 60 gr pellet. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:08:34 PM EDT
[#31]
That’s tarded. Shotguns are great weapons.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 32ACP. 800 to 900 FPS 60-80 gr bullet. OO buck. 1250 to 1400 FPS. 60 gr pellet. 00 buck is soft lead spheres. That is not a very ballisticly effecient projectile shape or construction. Sure there are some brands that do plated buckshot, but its still a round ball. Neither are going to cause hydrostatic shock, 00 bucks only saving grace is you get 7-8 more projectiles. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:53:27 PM EDT
[#33]
This is a new and refreshing topic of discussion.
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:29:55 AM EDT
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There's no question the shotgun is effective. Damage wise it gets it done.
I prefer to have an AR with a 30 round mag though. Less recoil, faster follow up shots, lighter, more maneuverable, and defeats body armor. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:35:46 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can tell which people have zero real world experience with discharging rifles inside a house. I’ve discharged infinite rifle rounds inside houses. It’s fine. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:37:44 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah there is no size to the perch this year. The biggest one there is only 9 inches. But they eat good.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/281590/5F4789F7-59FF-4FBB-8ACE-0762E11139E6_jpe-2277308.JPG 
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You even math bruh? Because 8x9=72. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shotguns are perfectly fine for home defense. Don't believe me? Come kick down my door and I'll prove it! Why have 8 shots when you can have 18 or 30? You even math bruh? Because 8x9=72. You’re counterpoint suggests the person using a shotgun will never miss. 8 shells is 8 chances no matter how many pellets in each shell. That will of course usually be enough. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:41:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 32ACP. 800 to 900 FPS 60-80 gr bullet. OO buck. 1250 to 1400 FPS. 60 gr pellet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of pellets that have slightly worse ballistics than .32acp. 32ACP. 800 to 900 FPS 60-80 gr bullet. OO buck. 1250 to 1400 FPS. 60 gr pellet. There is a 1400 FPS flight control 00 Buck? That would definitely enhance reliability in my M1S90. Do you have the SKU number? |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:43:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve discharged infinite rifle rounds inside houses. It’s fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can tell which people have zero real world experience with discharging rifles inside a house. I’ve discharged infinite rifle rounds inside houses. It’s fine. Inside a car with no ear pro sucks though |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:45:30 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think Old_Painless is still on ARFCOM. Signal to Noise Ratio o Ya' know... but I "think" he's still up running around & shooting stuff. Has his own website but not any recent comments. https://www.theboxotruth.com/about-us/ BIGGER_HAMMER  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is he still around and kicking? I don't think Old_Painless is still on ARFCOM. Signal to Noise Ratio o Ya' know... but I "think" he's still up running around & shooting stuff. Has his own website but not any recent comments. https://www.theboxotruth.com/about-us/ BIGGER_HAMMER Saw him post this week supporting the NRA. He's still around. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:46:08 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Inside a car with no ear pro sucks though Grow stronger ears. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:47:21 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Grow stronger ears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Inside a car with no ear pro sucks though Grow stronger ears. After the first one the rest are not that bad and it’s a $152 a month for the rest of your life |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:48:12 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After the first one the rest are not that bad and it’s a $152 a month for the rest of your life Worth it! |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:56:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem kind of mad though. What are your thoughts on basically every Fed/Mil agency that does CQB for a living choosing short barrel 5.56 instead of shotguns? Marketing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: These threads really bring out the morons in the gun community... 556 vs 12 gauge under 20 yards is the absolute definition of retarded... Most of you dont even realize why you think the way you do, and its comical.. Most of you probably have never killed anything with either and rely on "facts" on the internet and just puke your "knowledge" all over these threads... I dare say most of you that are against a shotgun are just flat out pussies who would rather pull their finger a few extra times to avoid recoil... The fact of the matter is, a 12 gauge round, be it slug or shot delivers a much larger and lethal payload per shot (excluding bird shot)... There is a reason why you never hear of a home invasion were some dude fights off 25 bag guys like a bad 90s action movie, Nor would you the average idiot be able to fend off 25, let alone 5 armed people at once... Your using a scenario that will never exist to justify things you dont "need"... And this is the issue... After the AWB, people have been (and rightfully so) trying to make the AR15, (and the 556) into a common use, solves every problem sorta thing and it worked... Too well, because you now have idiots in our own community trying to compare 556 to 12 gauge in home defense situations, hell we even had one moron here asking why its ok to shot a elk with a bow, yet not a 223/556... Think about that....It worked, and dont get me wrong Im not mad about it, hell I'll shout off the roof tops that a AR15 is better for everything under the sun just to make sure they dont get banned again, but deep down I know that inside 15 yards, Shotgun still wins.. What are your thoughts on basically every Fed/Mil agency that does CQB for a living choosing short barrel 5.56 instead of shotguns? Marketing? Usernames |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:56:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After the first one the rest are not that bad and it’s a $152 a month for the rest of your life Its fine, everything's fine. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:57:45 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like my shotgun 590a1 SP but every time I use it at the range, I’m amazed how effective it is within distances under 40yards. At the same time, I imagine how ineffective it can be for other situations and always find it lacking in some way. GD cursed me years ago with “Why limit yourself?” That struck a cord. But it is 100% correct. AR is simply better. A shotgun will handle most home situations but why limit yourself? An AR will do everything a shotgun will and more. Only the doves disagree |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:01:30 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, I’m about as much a fudd as members here especially in this thread are “operators” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's ok, the world needs Fudds too. LOL, I’m about as much a fudd as members here especially in this thread are “operators” You're certainly good at selling to others on the site! |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:24:44 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You even math bruh? Because 8x9=72. Have you ever patterned a shotgun inside a shoothouse or at across the room distances? Even with a cylinder choke most loads have patterns that are 3 inches in diameter or less at that distance. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:28:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worth it! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After the first one the rest are not that bad and it’s a $152 a month for the rest of your life Worth it! No it's not. 
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:28:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Worth it! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After the first one the rest are not that bad and it’s a $152 a month for the rest of your life Worth it! No it's not.
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