Neither bitter nor nasty.  You seem to have an obsessive interest in these sorts of matters.  Instead of posting here, why not step up and make a positive difference in the community (and the Nation)?  Maybe create a national cop watch type of 501C3? Lots of money to be made with non profits and you would be working for an issue that you truly believe in. Or are you only internet bluster? GD is an echo- chamber so there is not much traction here.

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I'm a fat, useless retired cop now.  But I used to investigate officer-involved shootings.  We had to explore every avenue in our investigations, even what some may consider to be moot issues that the officers' defense counsel may bring up.  Try these issues on for size:

-My client received absolutely no training at the academy regarding the functioning and/or the actual report that results from suppressed firearms.  Here's a copy of the classroom and range training lesson plans.  You'll notice that no such information was included.

-My client received no training from his FTO in the area of suppressed firearms.  Here's a copy of his satisfactory completed FTO book.

-My client had no prior incidents wherein he was shot at or any rounds were fired by him or any partner officers.

-My client was informed that the suspect had possession of a suppressed firearm at some point in time prior to the incident in question.

-My client recognized that the suspect had not been thoroughly searched prior to being placed in the marked police unit, which had tinted windows, thus making it difficult or impossible to see what the suspect may have been doing while inside.

-My client had previously experienced suspects who were able to bring their properly cuffed hands to the front of their bodies by "walking through" the cuffs, thus making them far more dangerous to officer safety than had their hands remained behind their backs.  A secreted firearm could then be aimed and fired as though the suspect had not been handcuffed.

-As documented in the IA report, a sound emanated from the marked police unit just as my client approached it.  He interpreted the sound made by an acorn onto the vehicle as a bullet exiting from inside the vehicle, aimed at him.

-As my client fell to the ground to avoid being shot, he immediately felt pain throughout his body and believed that he had been shot.  That belief, as well as his conclusion that the sound made by the acorn was suppressed gunfire, led him to alert the sergeant with him on the call that shots had been fired.  He reacted by firing his duty pistol into the vehicle where he believed that shot had emanated from.  The sergeant, seeing that my client was down, responded in kind by firing her duty pistol at the marked unit in an attempt to stop the threat.

If you think these assertions are outlandish, you ain't seen nothing compared to real LEO IA defense cases.

Not ACAB by any stretch unless you like having mentally challenged LE shooting up their own vehicles with handcuffed prisoners inside.

This video was produced by Tru Blu.

And that’s why i wanted to hear the officers debrief of the incident as well as look at his training records and past experience.

How dare you call my client mentally challenged? Read my defense diatribe above.

Yikes.

That's a horrible police officer..

Good,,,,very good. Got chuckles out of that. Thanks.

Yes, sir.  As we know, a ton of work goes into OIS investigations, whether or not the event is on video or not.

your comment comes off as a personal attack or at minimum, baiting. then halfway down the page you change your attitude.


come on…no one claimed you said it was a good shoot. if someone did, i apologize. but bc this person thinks it wasn’t, you say his opinions and assets are worthless?
that’s ridiculous.

he didn’t call you a slur or say anything bad about YOU, yet you attack him….incredible.

He did, in fact, start it with a slanderous attacks upon me and my military service. Go white knight elsewhere.

Anyone know what happened to the guy in the police car .

No one:
Literally no one:
Cop: I HEARD SHOTS. SHOTS FIRED. *does a barrel roll* I'M HIT.

He wasn't hit. Current relationship status with screamer unknown.

He had to get it on!

Would you please show me where/how I personally attacked you with slander, and your military service?  I do not profess to be a great writer or communication expert.  From a personal growth perspective I welcome the opportunity to grow from this experience.  

Mods, my apologies for this slanderous personal attack that I’m accused of and I had no intention of doing this.

Are you all holding the arfcops responsible when someone they don’t know from a jurisdiction they don’t work in aren’t disciplined to your liking now?

He said it was a bad shoot what more do you want him to do? It’s not as if he’s in control of whether they get charged.

He is an idiot.

It’s only going to get worse. I’d explain why, but you would almost certainly disagree.

Lol, and there it is. Sure thing Montana man.

i looked back & didn’t see anywhere that you slandered his copsplaining, let alone mil service. i’m also confused.

if he, or anyone posting here is a veteran, I appreciate Your service. not sure where the claimed attack occurred.

when it’s a good reported incident, you take credit. when it’s not, you blame it on the different rule(s) from the 5k different counties/states law books.  

there’s plenty of YT’s out there showing bad (& good). why not say perhaps he messed up?  not saying you did or didn’t, but come on.
if only you were able to view these things from a plebian peasant perspective.

That sounds like every criminal proceeding I’ve been part of. Yes it’s ridiculous, but that’s the way it has always been.

That post is known to the state of cancer to cause California.

I’m not seeing anyone blaming anything on different rules so I’m not sure what you are talking about.

He said it was a terrible shoot which I took to mean he thought they messed up.

I’m definitely able to see that. They fucked up, and they should be held accountable. It isn’t up to me, or anyone in this thread though.

Yeah, my cat was really flipping out over that opening scene, jumping up to the TV, checking behind it, looking back at the front of it.  But, he never tried to shoot someone.  That I know of.

He was clearly attacked by, and shooting back at Deez nuts.

I very much appreciate your reply.  Maybe the offended will reply as well.  Looking forward to constructive criticism from the mods that is surely to come.  He no doubt reported my indiscretions.

Lol the overlooked part in this thread is the girl cop bang bang bang bang bang bang in the general direction of the car, where at that point she only knows that their prisoner sits cuffed and unable to even run away.

She literally had no target, so anyway she started blasting.

Have you ever seen a completely silent gun that when fired from an enclosed vehicle does not damage the window or body panels as the round exits the vehicle?

Motherfuckers ain't safe to be around.

Not to mention, holy crossfire hazard Batman!
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@jetpumpright

Holy crap I don’t mean to hijack but joined in 21 and already has 150 some good reviews! -“Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast!”

And here I thought I was doing alright

I'm asking his opinion.

Because "bad shoot" often just means some additional training on overtime and a fat settlement from the taxpayer while the department denies wrongdoing.

I hate to do this, but I'll have to represent the officer AND the sergeant.

-My new client was acutely aware that the suspect had been in possession of a suppressed handgun at some point in time prior to the incident in question.

-My client continued to speak to the crime victim after the officer walked back toward his marked police unit where the suspect had been detained.  Her attention was drawn that direction when she saw the officer on the ground behind the vehicle and heard him say, "Shots fired."

-As you know, case law has determined that reports of criminal activity by a police dispatcher or fellow police officer is inherently reliable.

-My client quickly clarified that shots had been fired and where they came from.  The officer indicated shots had been fired from inside the marked police unit, and he began to fire into it.

-My client, fearing that the officer, in her own words, "Was being murdered," fired her duty pistol into the vehicle toward where she believed that suspect had been firing at the officer.

-My client fired multiple shots, and then she tactically relocated behind cover when she saw the officer do the same.  Her report over the radio confirmed her mindset was that the officer was down due to hostile gunfire, and her actions had been to save him and the public at large from further injury or death.

-My client's actions were legal, as she was attempting to stop a lethal attack and was in reasonable fear for her life, as well as the life of her officer.  Her actions were within policy, as she responded to a lethal threat with a proportional response, and then rapidly refocused her response to that of dealing with a barricaded suspect, all while coordinating the response of other officers and medical personnel.

Haha I guess all that worked to beat the rap in clown world. I'm just astounded at her ability to mag dump at nothing in the middle of a neighborhood.

She not only didn't know what was beyond, she actually skipped the whole knowing her target part. Very impressive and rarely seen feat.

Nothing moving except her brain damaged buddy, no one else visible in or near the vehicle, so anyway she started blasting

At first I though she was deliberately shooting at him haha. Nope, she's just dumping mags into the general area of the suspect she has cuffed and under her care. Even though she can't see him or anyone else, let alone anything actually dangerous or threatening. Good shit.

I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to a competent defense, and your perspective is down right impressive!  Seriously, that is some good stuff and I think the right “peers” in the jury box would go for it.  Absolutely genius spin on the “officer skeered” defense.

Best you learn and adopt that "skeered" part.  Any shooting you get into is going to require reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death.

As stupid as these cops were in this incident, the vast majority of citizens are still even more stupid.  And certainly not capable of policing themselves.

Pretty scary.

Copy that!  I’m certainly tracking what you’re putting down.  Taking detailed notes for the off chance I open up on an an unarmed hand cuffed bad guy while in a tactical load out and body armor that would make SGM Mike Vinning nod and smile.

Thank you for weighing in Congressman Krenshaw.

Cops have a dangerous job and I try to give them the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. This was… what was this? I wanted to comment because this was so… holy smokes. Wow. He should not be a cop. Ever again.

13:00 Change your audio settings, up the treble or whatever

There is clearly 2 tiny sounds of something hitting his car, like a tree nut hitting the roof and bouncing to the hood

I replayed both sides, right after she starts shooting he goes down yelling IM HIT.

I 100% believe ricochet hit him from her rounds or a piece of the car broke off and flew towards him as she shot

I remember posts like this in other crazy shitshows. Basically the defense is pretty much "they didn't know they couldn't do that" has worked a bunch of times. but it appears some of that is changing

Male cop should have never been one.

@smilingbandit Female cop responded to her officer claiming shots fired and officer down, I doubt others in her position would or should have acted different. He was, obviously, negligent beyond reason, but given what she understood, acted appropriately.

I'd have to assume if a cop is great at his job you'll never hear about him, isn't that the point?

Shitty cops end up in the news and good cops get shot at by assholes because the shitty cops hurt people because they should be working at HomeDepot.

The video title on Funker 530 said the noise was an acorn hitting the cop car.

Bullshit LOL you always hear about good cops. They're on the depts social media, hot dog cookouts, giving out free bike helmets and ice cream gift cards or playing basketball with urban youth. oddly things that arent usual thru a daily day on the job

because shoving narcan on the daily up the noses of junkies just doesnt have a good ring as playing basketball with kids or letting them pet the K9  , or hooking up daddy for beating mommy

Fair enough