[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sig M18 might have just killed an Airman (Page 15 of 28)
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Quoted: Did he point the muzzle away, get up and walk around his office/duty area and just happened to be in front of it when it went off? Did go off when set down or after? Was there a delay? Did he set it down and drop it 3 inches and it bounced to point at him? Don't know yet. I wonder if the AF is like many organizations that buy chairs made for people in slacks and who aren't an extra 5-7 inches wide with guns/holsters/radios/etc, thus making it a pain for duty guys to wear gear belts. Quoted: Quoted: Was anyone else sitting at the “desk”? Was the choice point the muzzle at himself vs point it at the person across the desk? Did he point the muzzle away, get up and walk around his office/duty area and just happened to be in front of it when it went off? Did go off when set down or after? Was there a delay? Did he set it down and drop it 3 inches and it bounced to point at him? Don't know yet. I wonder if the AF is like many organizations that buy chairs made for people in slacks and who aren't an extra 5-7 inches wide with guns/holsters/radios/etc, thus making it a pain for duty guys to wear gear belts. I used to rotate my Safariland drop holster from the side of my leg to the front of my leg(basically in my lap) if I needed to sit in such a chair. |
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Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then you should never carry a loaded Glock in a holster. Ever. It wasn't that long ago that gun forums were filled with "Glock leg" and "Glock grenade" comments. There was a good period were people were convinced Glocks were horribly unsafe because they didn't have safeties. Fighting that was the whole reason Glock's "Safe Action" marketing exists. Now, no one cares because we've learned how to safely handle striker fired guns and the collective attention has moved on. This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? "Glock Leg" is real. 320 deballing appears to be, as far as I can tell, an engineering and manufacturing error. They are not the same category of thing. |
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Quoted: Oops. Quoted: Quoted: Who said anything about the Army? Is this investigation getting combined with an Army one? Oops. The Army is the lead service on the MHS; any investigation or engineering change is going to involve the Army. |
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Quoted: This is the correct answer. Quoted: Quoted: I think if grip angle wasnt in our lexicon most people wouldn't even notice a difference, but when we are told about grip angle before picking something up it becomes an issue. This is the correct answer. Yep. "The military can't go to Glocks because of the grip angle" has got to be one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever heard, as if your average Joe is putting enough rounds downrange to even notice. |
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Quoted: I learned to shoot on a 1911. The first time I picked up a Glock I didn’t like it. Didn't shoot it well and it didn’t feel right in the hand. Immediately noticed the grip angle. I think it comes down to personal preference and if you’ve shot other guns with a different grip angle first. Quite the opposite for me. I shot other pistols pretty well but the first time I gripped a Glock it was like "Now THIS is what I've been looking for. " Contrary to others, the grip angle is what sold me. Well, that an Glocks unmatched reputation for reliability and durability. |
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Quoted: ISD - Ft. Devens 1987. Desk Sgt wore a tanker holster as did our PLT Daddy and the PLT LRD. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, even if the USAF comes out with the decision that the 320 is 100% at fault and unsafe, it is still going to be a problem for the unit Wasnt AF, but was MP and Generally pistol is loaded at clearing barrel and stays in holster unless there is a reason for it to come out and then downloaded at clearing barrel I saw an entire shift get their asses handed to them because while working night shift on a long 96 and just took off their batman belts with pistol still in holster and put them in the armory thinking none of the hirer ups were going to be around ISD - Ft. Devens 1987. Desk Sgt wore a tanker holster as did our PLT Daddy and the PLT LRD. |
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Quoted: Remington continued to sell model 700s for years knowing they had a shake awake feature that resulted in people and kids getting killed, yet wouldn’t change the trigger design until they faced class action lawsuits. Not saying that’s what will happen here. It’s crazy they haven’t caved yet though. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SIG's handling of this will be looked at how not to handle safety related issues with firearms. First lawsuit will seal the deal. If its successful, the dogpile of subsequent lawsuits will bankrupt the company. Bye Sig. Remington continued to sell model 700s for years knowing they had a shake awake feature that resulted in people and kids getting killed, yet wouldn’t change the trigger design until they faced class action lawsuits. Not saying that’s what will happen here. It’s crazy they haven’t caved yet though. I had one of those 700s, a 243, that nearly took my ex-wifes foot off. She'd apparently listen when I told her to never point a gun at any part of your body. Come to think of it, that's the only time I remember her listening to anything I said. |
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Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. . There are no dangerous guns. There are dangrous operators, though. |
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Quoted: There are no dangerous guns. Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. . There are no dangerous guns. Ehhh... |
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Quoted: Nobody ever ragged on Hi Point because they’re unsafe firearms. By all accounts HP is as safe and reliable as they come. HP get ragged on because they’re cheap, appeal to a certain demographic, and are ugly. I’d rather have a $120 Yeet Cannon that goes bang every time and doesn’t shoot me in the leg all by itself, than a $700 Sig that might kill me in my sleep This forum absolutely hates a good gun if it comes at cheap price so I'm gonna get roasted but Sig should have further developed the SigPro line for mil contracts. Navy already had a small contract, the Gendarmerie issued them for a long time (but I see Glocks on some now), and a number of PD's ran them without issue. And of course, I don't recall a single case of one having a UD. Myself and a former business partner both owned the the early SP2340 with Swiss frames, both of us frmr LE, and we shot pretty much weekly with them. The SigPro is objectively a good gun with IMHO a better DA and SA trigger than a P229, and IIRC they already made a model with manual safety. |
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Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. .  You should probably stop. I know you won't, but you should. |
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Quoted: Ehhh... Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. . There are no dangerous guns. Ehhh... Apparently, the Colt M1900's slide could fly off the back of the frame and hit the user in the face if the slide lock broke. That's probably one of the mildest examples of how a gun can be dangerous. |
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Quoted: Most guns don’t go off sitting in a holster so taking the holster off doesn’t cause an issue. Quoted: Quoted: They'll try to make a new rule that you can't remove your holster or gun belt until you've disarmed. But you have to to use the restroom. Kind of surprised no one's had a UD in the shitter yet. Most guns don’t go off sitting in a holster so taking the holster off doesn’t cause an issue. When I was a firefighter, deputies would come into the firehouse all the time to take a shit. They’d simply walk into the men’s room, drop their gun belts on the floor and go into a stall. Glad I retired before they adopted the P320. |
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Quoted:This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? |
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Quoted: How many people did the Beretta M9 ever kill sitting in a holster on a desk? . On desk? Maybe not. But if it fell off a six foot high shelf it could definitely kill people just by the massive weight of the thing, holstered or not. Crush them alive it would, like the anchor from the Titanic. Might even go through the floor and kill even more. |
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Quoted: Of course "Glock Leg" is real, I never said it wasn't and we even know why it happens. I said it was a stupid comparison and you're confirming that assertion. As to the other stuff in your post, I get it, you like posting absurd, stupid shit and its a hard habit for you to break. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then you should never carry a loaded Glock in a holster. Ever. It wasn't that long ago that gun forums were filled with "Glock leg" and "Glock grenade" comments. There was a good period were people were convinced Glocks were horribly unsafe because they didn't have safeties. Fighting that was the whole reason Glock's "Safe Action" marketing exists. Now, no one cares because we've learned how to safely handle striker fired guns and the collective attention has moved on. This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. Of course "Glock Leg" is real, I never said it wasn't and we even know why it happens. I said it was a stupid comparison and you're confirming that assertion. As to the other stuff in your post, I get it, you like posting absurd, stupid shit and its a hard habit for you to break. Spoilers come into threads to disrupt and distract. SIG's in a bad spot right now, and there are already paid political operatives on this forum whose Democratic Party checks are bouncing. SIG has cash for the moment, they're just 3 bodies behind the curve. |
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Quoted: Glocks have a fair reputation for being rather intolerant of stupid. Whether you think 320s magically go pop or not, it’d be very tough to argue that the 320 isn't even less forgiving of stupid than the Glocks. Quoted: Quoted:This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? No, Glocks don't have that reputation. Its not 1995 anymore. |
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Quoted: There are no dangerous guns. There are dangrous operators, though. Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. There are dangrous operators, though.  |
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Quoted: Part of what @Veccio said was that a loaded firearm is still a loaded firearm while in a holster if my understanding is correct. That is, basically, saying pay attention to the four rules of firearm safety and specifically rules 1 (treat every gun as loaded) and 2 (always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction) whether or not it is holstered. Though I was taught that the state of the safety (on or off) or presence (or lack) of a safety does not fundamentally change the fact that a firearm is a lethal weapon and should always be pointed in a safe direction. This has nothing to do with the model of firearm or type of action. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, saying a holstered firearm is presumed safe is the way it's been for 150 years, your attempts to alter reality notwithstanding. The gun should not go off by itself, yes we know that. We also know that a firearm with a round in the chamber and safety off should not be pointed at anyone, regardless of if it's in a holster or not. Maybe lower the narcissism a bit and actually think about what you are arguing. So all the DAO, DA/SA, and Striker fired pistols around the world are unsafe to handle in a holster now? That's just stupid. Part of what @Veccio said was that a loaded firearm is still a loaded firearm while in a holster if my understanding is correct. That is, basically, saying pay attention to the four rules of firearm safety and specifically rules 1 (treat every gun as loaded) and 2 (always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction) whether or not it is holstered. Though I was taught that the state of the safety (on or off) or presence (or lack) of a safety does not fundamentally change the fact that a firearm is a lethal weapon and should always be pointed in a safe direction. This has nothing to do with the model of firearm or type of action. I have carried on duty and off duty for 42 years now. Revolvers and every type of semi-auto made. I know exactly what he is saying and a holstered, loaded firearm is not the same as one in your hand, in a fireing position. The holster prevents access to trigger or operating parts. Holstered firearms get pointed at people everyday all over the world without issue. People safely carry firearms in shoulder holsters, hip holsters, pocket holsters, fanny packs, purses, and chest holsters for a reason. The pistol should not fire on its own while holstered. Treating a holstered firearm like an unholstered firearm is impractical and shows your lack of training. I am sitting here right now with my Glock 23 on my hip and I can wave my hand under the holster without any worry. There's no external safety on it, other than the trigger dingus and it will not fire. I can even take my holtered gun off the belt and have to worry about it shooting me in the leg. I couldn't say that if it was a Sig P320. |
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Quoted: In that case, you should be happy to nitrglycerine is also not dangerous. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. There are dangrous operators, though. Shake/drop the sig? Boom! Shake/drop nitroglycerine? Boom! 
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Quoted: Shake/drop the sig? Boom! Shake/drop nitroglycerine? Boom! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. There are dangrous operators, though. Shake/drop nitroglycerine? Boom! |
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Quoted: But the user is the one that does the shaking, therefore the user is dangerous, not the thing. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Glock Leg" is real Do you ever hear "Smith and Wesson Model 66 Leg" ? Nope Because it doesnt happen. Plunger fired pistols are inherently more dangerous especially if they dont have a plunger that is locked by the safety. IMHO the best choice for a civilian side arm is a .357 revolver like the Model 60 or 640. Lady Smith is nice for the girlies. 125 grain 1450 fps approaches 600 ft/lbs with a 4 inch barrel. There are dangrous operators, though. Shake/drop nitroglycerine? Boom! 
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Quoted: Quite the opposite for me. I shot other pistols pretty well but the first time I gripped a Glock it was like "Now THIS is what I've been looking for. " Contrary to others, the grip angle is what sold me. Well, that an Glocks unmatched reputation for reliability and durability. Quoted: Quoted: I learned to shoot on a 1911. The first time I picked up a Glock I didn’t like it. Didn't shoot it well and it didn’t feel right in the hand. Immediately noticed the grip angle. I think it comes down to personal preference and if you’ve shot other guns with a different grip angle first. Quite the opposite for me. I shot other pistols pretty well but the first time I gripped a Glock it was like "Now THIS is what I've been looking for. " Contrary to others, the grip angle is what sold me. Well, that an Glocks unmatched reputation for reliability and durability. Glock is either a love or hate handgun. I tried to like it. Just never could. |
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Quoted: Please re-read my post and ask questions if you have any. . Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem with those holsters is the rotary adjustment portion of the holster. It is a pivot point and allows the barrel to point at the leg by moving in the (x) direction toward the leg and foot. If the holster was flat against the leg or hip the pistol could not rotate and point at the leg or foot. A good tight leather holster (IWB or OWB) will minimize this. The same for a good pocket holster unless you are a big fat-ass with thighs as wide as a home use propane tank. . Tell me you don't know how a QLS fork works without telling me you don't know how a QLS fork works. Please re-read my post and ask questions if you have any. . Join date. Post count. |
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Quoted: Bro you're like the P320 realwar right now  Quoted: Quoted:We need a SIG P320 sub forum. I think we're up to 30 GD threads since it ended. Bro you're like the P320 realwar right now When I started the index thread, I had no idea: 1) it wouldn't have ended yet; 2) how many YouTube channels would feel obligated to make a 320 video; 3) that we'd be talking about a third death.
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Quoted: Ehhh... Fuck. Unintentional low hanging fruit. Spins off a debate I had with someone earlier who claimed hammer-fired guns are safer than striker fired guns, and then I shared with him the video of the guy who just shot himself in the leg at a USPSA match with a hammer fired gun. My assertion is that the gun is as safe as the user. (P320 doesn't count) |
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Quoted: When I started the index thread, I had no idea: 1) it wouldn't have ended yet; 2) how many YouTube channels would feel obligated to make a 320 video; 3) that we'd be talking about a third death. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:We need a SIG P320 sub forum. I think we're up to 30 GD threads since it ended. Bro you're like the P320 realwar right now When I started the index thread, I had no idea: 1) it wouldn't have ended yet; 2) how many YouTube channels would feel obligated to make a 320 video; 3) that we'd be talking about a third death. You know you have no obligation to repost rando YouTube channels with guys sitting in their living rooms saying the same things, right? |
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Quoted: I have carried on duty and off duty for 42 years now. Revolvers and every type of semi-auto made. I know exactly what he is saying and a holstered, loaded firearm is not the same as one in your hand, in a fireing position. The holster prevents access to trigger or operating parts. Holstered firearms get pointed at people everyday all over the world without issue. People safely carry firearms in shoulder holsters, hip holsters, pocket holsters, fanny packs, purses, and chest holsters for a reason. The pistol should not fire on its own while holstered. Treating a holstered firearm like an unholstered firearm is impractical and shows your lack of training. I am sitting here right now with my Glock 23 on my hip and I can wave my hand under the holster without any worry. There's no external safety on it, other than the trigger dingus and it will not fire. I can even take my holtered gun off the belt and have to worry about it shooting me in the leg. I couldn't say that if it was a Sig P320. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, saying a holstered firearm is presumed safe is the way it's been for 150 years, your attempts to alter reality notwithstanding. The gun should not go off by itself, yes we know that. We also know that a firearm with a round in the chamber and safety off should not be pointed at anyone, regardless of if it's in a holster or not. Maybe lower the narcissism a bit and actually think about what you are arguing. So all the DAO, DA/SA, and Striker fired pistols around the world are unsafe to handle in a holster now? That's just stupid. Part of what @Veccio said was that a loaded firearm is still a loaded firearm while in a holster if my understanding is correct. That is, basically, saying pay attention to the four rules of firearm safety and specifically rules 1 (treat every gun as loaded) and 2 (always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction) whether or not it is holstered. Though I was taught that the state of the safety (on or off) or presence (or lack) of a safety does not fundamentally change the fact that a firearm is a lethal weapon and should always be pointed in a safe direction. This has nothing to do with the model of firearm or type of action. I have carried on duty and off duty for 42 years now. Revolvers and every type of semi-auto made. I know exactly what he is saying and a holstered, loaded firearm is not the same as one in your hand, in a fireing position. The holster prevents access to trigger or operating parts. Holstered firearms get pointed at people everyday all over the world without issue. People safely carry firearms in shoulder holsters, hip holsters, pocket holsters, fanny packs, purses, and chest holsters for a reason. The pistol should not fire on its own while holstered. Treating a holstered firearm like an unholstered firearm is impractical and shows your lack of training. I am sitting here right now with my Glock 23 on my hip and I can wave my hand under the holster without any worry. There's no external safety on it, other than the trigger dingus and it will not fire. I can even take my holtered gun off the belt and have to worry about it shooting me in the leg. I couldn't say that if it was a Sig P320. Aren't we talking about that if someone is holding or manipulating a handgun in their hand (even if it is in a holster)? If someone is holding or manipulating a handgun in their hand(s) (whether or not it is in a holster), I was taught that the four rules of firearm safety state that the gun must be pointed in a safe direction and those rules should be followed. |
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Quoted: Fuck. Unintentional low hanging fruit. Spins off a debate I had with someone earlier who claimed hammer-fired guns are safer than striker fired guns, and then I shared with him the video of the guy who just shot himself in the leg at a USPSA match with a hammer fired gun. My assertion is that the gun is as safe as the user. (P320 doesn't count) Quoted: Quoted: Ehhh... Fuck. Unintentional low hanging fruit. Spins off a debate I had with someone earlier who claimed hammer-fired guns are safer than striker fired guns, and then I shared with him the video of the guy who just shot himself in the leg at a USPSA match with a hammer fired gun. My assertion is that the gun is as safe as the user. (P320 doesn't count) I agree with you in principle. As long as a gun is mechanically reliable, it's the skill and discipline of the person carrying it that makes the difference. That's why I always laugh when I see people saying "you shouldn't carry appendix because it's pointing at your dick!" Well, you shouldn't be carrying a mechanically unreliable weapon appendix, for sure...but you shouldn't be carrying an unreliable weapon at all. If the gun doesn't go off by itself, then the entire safety of your dick is, if you'll pardon the turn of phrase, in your hands. |
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Quoted: You know you have no obligation to repost rando YouTube channels with guys sitting in their living rooms saying the same things, right? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:We need a SIG P320 sub forum. I think we're up to 30 GD threads since it ended. Bro you're like the P320 realwar right now When I started the index thread, I had no idea: 1) it wouldn't have ended yet; 2) how many YouTube channels would feel obligated to make a 320 video; 3) that we'd be talking about a third death. You know you have no obligation to repost rando YouTube channels with guys sitting in their living rooms saying the same things, right? You know you have no obligation to watch random YouTube videos, right? |
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Quoted: This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then you should never carry a loaded Glock in a holster. Ever. It wasn't that long ago that gun forums were filled with "Glock leg" and "Glock grenade" comments. There was a good period were people were convinced Glocks were horribly unsafe because they didn't have safeties. Fighting that was the whole reason Glock's "Safe Action" marketing exists. Now, no one cares because we've learned how to safely handle striker fired guns and the collective attention has moved on. This is the dumbest fucking comparison to the Sig debacle. The Glocks were firing into people's legs because people had horrible trigger habits from shooting heavy DA and DAO pistols. Lots of people were taught by idiots that were telling people to start staging the trigger as soon as the gun started to come out of the holster. Nobody is going to learn their way out of not getting shot in the leg by a P320 that decides to go off in the holster by itself. Be honest, are you at least middle management at Sig USA? Remember California LE (LAPD or LASD, can't remember) being trained to "stage" a DA trigger while pointing the firearm at people they are holding at gunpoint? Pepperidge Farms remembers. This came out in a lawsuit over someone being shot "by accident" during an arrest. People should have gone to jail for that insanity. |
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Quoted: Remember California LE (LAPD or LASD, can't remember) being trained to "stage" a DA trigger while pointing the firearm at people they are holding at gunpoint? Pepperidge Farms remembers. This came out in a lawsuit over someone being shot "by accident" during an arrest. People should have gone to jail for that insanity. |
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Quoted: it was the LASD and it was when they transitioned from Beretta to the SW M&P. Nothing to do with Glock. Apparently staging the trigger was a very common thing with DA guns in that era Quoted: Quoted: Remember California LE (LAPD or LASD, can't remember) being trained to "stage" a DA trigger while pointing the firearm at people they are holding at gunpoint? Pepperidge Farms remembers. This came out in a lawsuit over someone being shot "by accident" during an arrest. People should have gone to jail for that insanity. I'm not blaming Beretta, S&W, nor Glock for that insanity. |