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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:17:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think there's any argument to be had as to why people are shifting apps. And yes, when people believe they are "safe" from govt spying they will use such app to "plot". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The big influx of people to signal isn't because people are using it to plot anything. It's because people are fleeing whatsapp due to them selling your chats to facebook or because people want a little more protection from cancel culture. I don't think there's any argument to be had as to why people are shifting apps. And yes, when people believe they are "safe" from govt spying they will use such app to "plot".  Quoted for posterity. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:17:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is utter bullshit. Quoted for posterity. Very nearly everything he has posted has been utter bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:19:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You were doing so well, until you typed out this sentence. ROLCON. Believe nothing OP says, this entire Not saying Signal is secure, either. A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:20:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very nearly everything he has posted has been utter bullshit. You'll get no argument on that from me.  |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:20:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 AES-256 is currently believed to be quantum-resistant, isn't it? In order for the feds to break AES-256 with quantum computing, they would have to 1) create a quantum computer several orders of magnitude more powerful than anything the private sector has created, and 2) create a novel technique for breaking it. Either one of those is potentially possible, but both together seems unlikely. Besides, imagine if the government had done this. The government would be able to read every piece of information the Chinese and the Russians produce, for the next decade or two (or however long it takes the rest of the planet to catch up with their magic computer). That's the kind of breakthrough that they wouldn't tip their hand on. Even if people were planning assassinations of elected officials, it's far more likely that the NSA would consider those officials expendable in order to keep their technological advantage. They aren't going to disclose that they have broken cryptography in order to arrest a guy with a 30-round magazine in New York. Its not q computing proof but it is resistant and effectively scalable. Barring an undisclosed exploit, which as noted would be among a nations highest level secrets. Consumer grade aes isn't vastly different than government grade supposedly, they just lock down more potential exploits, a lot of them being on the hardware side of things, is my understanding. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:22:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic user name is ironic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Warning for those who use the Signal app. The recent National Terror Threat Warning released by the Fed comes from them analyzing comms of the Signal app. Yes, the Fed can look inside all that "weak" encrypted stuff! Ironic user name is ironic. It takes some sophisticated Crypto algorithms with a large key to get past NSA. They also do not advertise what algorithms they can break. I know nothing though. At least that I am allowed to say in public. What compartments in SCI anyone has access to is often as classified as the compartments themselves. There are thousands of compartments that do not exist outside a SCIF. Even their name is classified. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:23:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 AES-256 Just "AES-256" ? GCM or CBC or other ? Just curious. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:23:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's asking if the feds are able to read your messages directly without using your phone or the other guy's phone to do it. Back a few pages, that's the jist of it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:26:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said "Signal" which is an app. Which is what I am referring to. The app has layers. I am guessing there's no buffer flow issue in the code, maybe there is, dunno about any zero days, the Fed might know though. The encryption layer (module) is no match for the Fed. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:28:17 PM EST
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Jokes on the FEDs. Everything I've put across signal is faker than Pam Anderson's clean STD test.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:28:23 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck it. I'll take a crack at it. Are you suggesting that somebody employed by the federal government can read the plaintext of a specific end-to-end encrypted message sent via Signal? You don't even need to mention "Signal" in your statement. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:28:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You missing the point. 1st off, it's illegal to spy. 2nd, people believe the available public encryption is unbreakable, it's not. 3rd, the Fed is ramping up rhetoric so when it acts for no good reason, at least they warned you ahead of time. Using encryption is like protecting your gun collection with a keyed doorknob on that hollow wood door. All it does is slow things down and offers no real protection. ;) What if we start communicating in pig Latin, will that throw them off of the scent?
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:28:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People actually think they can plot against the gov on the internet and not get ass fucked? The internet is no fun anymore. Let’s go back to discussing
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:29:00 PM EST
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I need to run now, literally.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:29:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The app has layers. I am guessing there's no buffer flow issue in the code, maybe there is, dunno about any zero days, the Fed might know though. The encryption layer (module) is no match for the Fed. So either you're full of shit and can't keep your story straight, or they are compromising individual devices and collecting data before or after encryption/decryption. Which of course is the far easier path. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:30:24 PM EST
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I'm sure encryption at the user level is good 99% of the time. The other would be obvious. With thousands of Americans switching to Signal based on Elon Musk's recommendations you can bet the NSA is going to start watching and listening. Follow the
kwg |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:30:34 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? Quote HistoryQuoted: A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again?  Seriously, there are a ton of cops posting in GD right now, and many more reading it. Quoted: I need to run now, literally. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:33:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You were doing so well, until you typed out this sentence. ROLCON. Believe nothing OP says, this entire Not saying Signal is secure, either. A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? 33 posts here and you know that norcal is NorCal_LEO - so what was your last screen name? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:33:35 PM EST
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I'm getting too old for this shit.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:37:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It takes some sophisticated Crypto algorithms with a large key to get past NSA. They also do not advertise what algorithms they can break. I know nothing though. At least that I am allowed to say in public. What compartments in SCI anyone has access to is often as classified as the compartments themselves. There are thousands of compartments that do not exist outside a SCIF. Even their name is classified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-quantum_cryptography |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:39:02 PM EST
[#21]
Salt water evaporators casualty, ETR unknown.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:41:59 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 33 posts here and you know that norcal is NorCal_LEO - so what was your last screen name? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You were doing so well, until you typed out this sentence. ROLCON. Believe nothing OP says, this entire Not saying Signal is secure, either. A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? 33 posts here and you know that norcal is NorCal_LEO - so what was your last screen name? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:44:37 PM EST
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So OP can't back shit up. In his mind, people use Signal and the feds issued a terror alert, therefore Signal has been compromised.
Truly a dizzying intellect. OP, has it ever occurred to you that it could have been something else that led to the terror warning, including nothing at all? Especially since in the very same warning the gov intentionally conflagrated the 1/6 riots with the left wing riots that have occurred over the summer and fall? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:45:49 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This post is enough to discount you as a know-nothing. There is precisely nothing that is more secure about communications done on an old phone than ones done via Signal. Honestly, this is true. More accurate to say that nothing is secure than to recommend dumb phones without encrypted messages. This is pretty simple guys.. Disagree and prove me wrong but modern encryption used by signal or other comparable options isn't worth the TIME (with current known tech) to break. Access to information is gained by other methods. Like key logging etc. Can they theoretically break modern encryption? Yes. But that's like saying a theif can pick the lock on your front door, but why would they? There is easy access ( easily broken glass window on door) right next to lock.. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:48:27 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:50:35 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: he's disinfo, so neither I'm going with this. In fact, with the recent events, new administration, de-platforming, etc it would not surprise me at for some junior G-man to cook up the idea of a disinfo campaign for apps that they actually do have trouble with. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:51:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No worries, I'll get into the Tech forums soon. Just wanted to throw out this warning to those who use Signal app. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Greetings fellow enthusiast. No worries, I'll get into the Tech forums soon. Just wanted to throw out this warning to those who use Signal app. , Big Gov |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:01:45 PM EST
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Assume they got our phones, assume they got our houses, assume they got us, right here, right now as we sit, everything. Assume it all.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:03:32 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm getting a Bullet_Sponge vibe from him.....definitely a glowie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You were doing so well, until you typed out this sentence. ROLCON. Believe nothing OP says, this entire Not saying Signal is secure, either. A "psyop"? That alone is fairly telling. Nobody said to not use encryption. Feel free to highlight that if they did. NorCal_LEO? Using LEO resources again? 33 posts here and you know that norcal is NorCal_LEO - so what was your last screen name? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:04:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can they theoretically break modern encryption? Yes. But that's like saying a theif can pick the lock on your front door, but why would they? There is easy access ( easily broken glass window on door) right next to lock.. More appropriately, why does the thief need to hack your alarm system when he can look through the window and see you input the code? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:04:47 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:07:21 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going with this. In fact, with the recent events, new administration, de-platforming, etc it would not surprise me at for some junior G-man to cook up the idea of a disinfo campaign for apps that they actually do have trouble with. In the end that will just drive the development even more secure apps. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:07:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  I got an idea... of what they're looking at. You wanna know what they're looking at? I mean - is this guy something, or is he something? This crew is good. Really good. You know what they're looking at? Are these guys good or what? I'll tell ya what they're looking at! |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:11:12 PM EST
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Oh crap, the feds will find out the SO wants me to stop at the store for eggs...
Seriously Mr justice department Moe, eavesdrop away. 
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:11:29 PM EST
[#35]
Disinformation campaign.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:12:31 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP isn't wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not convinced by Mr. First Post's stunning mathematical analysis and security credentials. OP isn't wrong. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:14:04 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:15:10 PM EST
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Unless there is a backdoor in a given application, the .gov goes not have the resources to crack any respectable encryption. Unless there's has been some sort of mind blowing leap in the encryption breaking theory, it takes more processing power than is available on the planet to brute force through encryption in any reasonable time.
https://www.eetimes.com/how-secure-is-aes-against-brute-force-attacks/ A powerful enough quantum computer doesn't exist yet to tackle the problem either. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/quantum-computers-encryption-decades-researchers,38819.html |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:15:19 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But you said that you never suggested the crypto has been broken? So either you're full of shit and can't keep your story straight, or they are compromising individual devices and collecting data before or after encryption/decryption. Which of course is the far easier path. No worries, keep watching Unsolved Mysteries. A year ago Google's qubit platform solved a 10,000yr problem in 3min ! The fastest best supercomputer vs Google qubit. You believe Google is ahead of the govt in computing? I will bet ya the govt is about 100-1000 better than anything Google has made public (just a hunch, wink wink). Just saying the obvious. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/67738/google-quantum-computer-solves-issue-3-minutes-versus-10-000-years/index.html |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:15:42 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not just Signal, all internet traffic is sifted through! The Fed Terror warning coincides with the massive user increase with Signal app, and, Signal employees are stating they are worried the app will be used for bad things. But hey, you tell me what credible info the Fed got, and from where, to warrant the issuance of a National Terror Warning notice. My personal opinion. I don't live in China, you? Given your experience, do you think there's any encryption that's safe? |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:15:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif Don't forget 4. Lack of a cogent point |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:16:02 PM EST
[#42]
Most of my Signal contacts are Federal Employees.
lol |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:18:07 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:18:30 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of my Signal contacts are Federal Employees. lol Goddamnit! Don't you know they can read the messages you send them?! |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:19:15 PM EST
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Quoted: Warning for those who use the Signal app. The recent National Terror Threat Warning released by the Fed comes from them analyzing comms of the Signal app. Yes, the Fed can look inside all that "weak" encrypted stuff! Doesn't surprise me. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:19:30 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:19:39 PM EST
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Thank you for joining the forum to share this with everyone. We were lost before that.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:20:08 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not wrong. Signal / Telegram were subverted long ago. That's why I don't say anything on them other than hello to some friends lol. Dark web forums are going to be the wave of the future. Learn how to access onions. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:20:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 33 posts here and you know that norcal is NorCal_LEO - so what was your last screen name? 33 posts after getting the golden ticket approval to login. "Norcal_LEO" is talked about in just about every forum out there, some in good ways, some not good ways. Not like anyone needs a login here to know "Norcal_LEO". "He's baaaaaack? Thought he was gone for good?". Give it a rest already. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:21:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: oh look we're over 13k visitors on the site right now. huh. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77166/29b0a2786124d0e62fc129b4202ea766_jpg-1800786.JPG yeah pretty much what I thought too! |
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