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Posted: 2/4/2017 11:02:36 AM EDT
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I guess I just don't see all the hype for quick change barrels and caliber conversion kits.
If there was as much of an actual demand for it, as there is people just wishing, there would be more of a market. As is, QC barrels and caliber swaps either sell low volume or don't get put out, but the base rifles still sell well. Something like this, just make the barrel easy to change and take AR barrels, and have it take AR-15 bolts and it would be pretty money. eta- Further investigation shows that it indeed takes AR bolts.  Skeli X11 Modular Carbine Overview |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 11:06:42 AM EDT
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Also...
I want a 18" barrel version that can take a slidefire stock so I can use it for the bumpsaw project. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:18:08 PM EDT
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I guess I just don't see all the hype for quick change barrels and caliber conversion kits. If there was as much of an actual demand for it, as there is people just wishing, there would be more of a market. As is, QC barrels and caliber swaps either sell low volume or don't get put out, but the base rifles still sell well. Something like this, just make the barrel easy to change and take AR barrels, and have it take AR-15 bolts and it would be pretty money. eta- Further investigation shows that it indeed takes AR bolts.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzSnNa4jkMEIf it does that would be cool for the consumer. However, how do you explain the left side ejection without an ARX 100 style bolt? The rotation, cam pin, and ejector dynamics are kinda set for 22.5 degrees and right side ejection with an AR15 bolt head. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:28:40 PM EDT
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I like it, but I only $1000 like it.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:30:18 PM EDT
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it s interesting but even at $1200 it is like 2x as expensive as a basic milspec ar-15.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:31:05 PM EDT
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However, how do you explain the left side ejection without an ARX 100 style bolt? The rotation, cam pin, and ejector dynamics are kinda set for 22.5 degrees and right side ejection with an AR15 bolt head. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:31:44 PM EDT
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it s interesting but even at $1200 it is like 2x as expensive as a basic milspec ar-15. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:33:35 PM EDT
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I like a lot of things about it, but I hate that stock and handguard.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:36:04 PM EDT
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Maybe one day some brilliant scientist will figure out how to match colors. This would be cool, but I don't think its something I'll see in my lifetime. And when it happens it won't be the work of one single, solitary scientist. I bet the likes of NASA and probably quite a few other multinational government science organizations will be required to make uppers and lowers be even close to color matched. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:43:46 PM EDT
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I'm more curious who is really building it. Tooling up for new parts on a non standard design as a new company with no record I know of at least is not a cheap endeavor making me guess it is all outsourced unless the guy running this gig has a large fortune he is looking to make smaller, or is extremely well connected.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:46:29 PM EDT
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nevermind 6.8 lb. not bad.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:46:43 PM EDT
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want
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:47:35 PM EDT
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What is a $600 "mil-spec" ar? An AR built using fully milspec parts? Mp15 is milspec and sub $600. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:59:19 PM EDT
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I'm more curious who is really building it. Tooling up for new parts on a non standard design as a new company with no record I know of at least is not a cheap endeavor making me guess it is all outsourced unless the guy running this gig has a large fortune he is looking to make smaller, or is extremely well connected. Also read that the name X11 represents the iterative process of making the gun, as it's the 11th prototype. Uppers are buzzed out on a 5 axis according to a video I saw, and didn't someone here say the prototype lowers are 3d printed (and probably finished on the 5 axis?) Plus the bolt and FCG are standard AR parts. So while not cheap... it's not like making a gun 20-30 years ago would have been. Rapid computer prototyping used to compile a file that can 3d print parts to test design function, using said prototyping to develop the files for cnc. Lot easier it seems. (then again, I don't make guns, just have studied a lot of the history, and stay up on how technology for stuff is changing a little here and there) |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:00:29 PM EDT
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An AR built using fully milspec parts? Mp15 is milspec and sub $600. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is a $600 "mil-spec" ar? An AR built using fully milspec parts? Mp15 is milspec and sub $600. 
No, it's not. Not even close. Mil-spec is a marketing term, it doesn't mean much on civilian sale rifles. But that's not conversation for this thread. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:02:02 PM EDT
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No, it's not. Not even close. Mil-spec is a marketing term, it doesn't mean much on civilian sale rifles. But that's not conversation for this thread. You brought it up. Maybe you can quickly enlighten us? |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:04:08 PM EDT
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A modern AR-18 should be sub 5lbs and cost $600. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:04:48 PM EDT
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I google around until I find a review of it where someone explains it or shows pictures? I didn't even know it was supposed to have left side ejection. I have googled much. In the shot show video the guy says he won't show the guts yet. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:18:09 PM EDT
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You brought it up. Maybe you can quickly enlighten us? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it's not. Not even close. Mil-spec is a marketing term, it doesn't mean much on civilian sale rifles. But that's not conversation for this thread. You brought it up. Maybe you can quickly enlighten us? Before Augee is summoned to lecture us, "Mil-Spec" is marketing, because no one can make a civilian rifle to exact military specifications, as those are the TDP to which Colt and FNH make rifles for the military, and only Colt is allowed to use those TDP as a blueprint for commercial rifle sales. And they specify a 14.5" M4A1 profile barrel, as well as a safe-semi-auto FCG, as well as the appropriate markings. Anyone can claim their product is "mil-spec," but none of them are, as none of them have a select-fire FCG, and few have the proper barrel, since most use a 16" barrel, and not many use the proper gas port size. Companies build commercial rifles to similar specifications as military rifles, and some build rifles to specs that exceed the military requirements, but they cannot legally use the actual Gov't TDP to do so. The TDP specifies more than just the materials and parts, it also specifies the manufacturing methods. Colt LE6921 is the closest you can get to the actual TDP without it being a machinegun. Getting a LE6920 and swapping the upper to a LE6921 upper with an extended muzzle device pinned on is the closest you can get without making it a SBR. This is the short version, without Augee's KFC recipe metaphor. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:21:50 PM EDT
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Does it take AR15 parts? Can I put my own trigger in? If so, I definitely want!
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:22:40 PM EDT
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I have googled much. In the shot show video the guy says he won't show the guts yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I google around until I find a review of it where someone explains it or shows pictures? I didn't even know it was supposed to have left side ejection. I have googled much. In the shot show video the guy says he won't show the guts yet. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 2:13:04 PM EDT
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Am I the only one that thinks quick-change caliber kits are 101% useless? I can't think of any situation where that capability would be needed.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 3:05:41 PM EDT
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Am I the only one that thinks quick-change caliber kits are 101% useless? I can't think of any situation where that capability would be needed. But the marketing they use to push it is kind of retarded and preys of SHTFantasy a lot. FWIW watching video's on how the barrel on this rifle changes, I wouldn't call it "quick change" necessarily. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 3:25:28 PM EDT
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gut feeling given it's design to use off the shelf AR parts I bet it's something simple like using a left eject AR bolt. That's what I was thinking too. But you would have to be tricky with your cam pin control surface so it can work both ways. That will be interesting with the dual guide rods. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 3:28:26 PM EDT
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That's what I was thinking too. But you would have to be tricky with your cam pin control surface so it can work both ways. That will be interesting with the dual guide rods. http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/yrjoy4/products/97/images/350/boltcarrierleft__50863.1363610149.1000.1000.gif?c=2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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gut feeling given it's design to use off the shelf AR parts I bet it's something simple like using a left eject AR bolt. That's what I was thinking too. But you would have to be tricky with your cam pin control surface so it can work both ways. That will be interesting with the dual guide rods. http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/yrjoy4/products/97/images/350/boltcarrierleft__50863.1363610149.1000.1000.gif?c=2 |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 3:34:40 PM EDT
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Nope. I mean, there can be utility found in it. But the marketing they use to push it is kind of retarded and preys of SHTFantasy a lot. FWIW watching video's on how the barrel on this rifle changes, I wouldn't call it "quick change" necessarily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Am I the only one that thinks quick-change caliber kits are 101% useless? I can't think of any situation where that capability would be needed. But the marketing they use to push it is kind of retarded and preys of SHTFantasy a lot. FWIW watching video's on how the barrel on this rifle changes, I wouldn't call it "quick change" necessarily. The only real usage I can think of is to change to a cheaper round for training (say I have a stash of 5.45 or 7.62x39) or a better round for hunting (6.5G/6.8SPC/whatever). |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 3:40:53 PM EDT
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..."not going to be on the market for a few months"...
Translation = won't be on the market for a few years. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 4:13:11 PM EDT
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The only real usage I can think of is to change to a cheaper round for training (say I have a stash of 5.45 or 7.62x39) or a better round for hunting (6.5G/6.8SPC/whatever). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Am I the only one that thinks quick-change caliber kits are 101% useless? I can't think of any situation where that capability would be needed. But the marketing they use to push it is kind of retarded and preys of SHTFantasy a lot. FWIW watching video's on how the barrel on this rifle changes, I wouldn't call it "quick change" necessarily. The only real usage I can think of is to change to a cheaper round for training (say I have a stash of 5.45 or 7.62x39) or a better round for hunting (6.5G/6.8SPC/whatever). If it runs steel, you can get Wolf 223 for about 21 cents per round, shipped. Same price as steel 7.62x39 |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 4:27:20 PM EDT
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You could cut some costs and increase 'lego' appeal by doing the following
-Ditch the quick change BS on the barrel. -If it uses an AR15 bolt, make it so that that it uses an unmodified AR barrel extension. This would open up the aftermarket significantly. Maybe I missed it and it does? -The rear of the receiver needs to be changed to the 2 hole 10-32 pattern with a series of holes (2 to 3 sets stacked) This would allow all the modular stocks meant for AKs to mount, Plus allow for the mounting of an AR buffer tube. -Lengthen the front of the mag well and use a block to set the mag well length. This would allow a lot of mag options. A wider magwell would help also but is more cost prohibitive. Not really a big deal overall now as they make an mag for almost any caliber you care about that fits the AR magwell. -If they do produce it, sell the individual parts and make them available. FAXON and SIG keep failing this simple point with their AR180 or AK style AR uppers. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 4:55:35 PM EDT
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The only real usage I can think of is to change to a cheaper round for training (say I have a stash of 5.45 or 7.62x39) or a better round for hunting (6.5G/6.8SPC/whatever). Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The only real usage I can think of is to change to a cheaper round for training (say I have a stash of 5.45 or 7.62x39) or a better round for hunting (6.5G/6.8SPC/whatever). It's the "Ford Ranger" argument. Everyone says they would buy a new Ford ranger. But when Ford rangers were available sales were too shitty to afford to make them anymore. It feels like there's no margin in appeasing a primarily notional market. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:06:34 PM EDT
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I like how they made the FDE one three different shades like the SCAR. 
But seriously that looks pretty neat. Your SCAR is only 3 different shades?
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:11:57 PM EDT
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It'll be real simple to find replacement parts/components for it one they stop production / go bankrupt......
Think Bushmaster 17S / Robinson M96 ........... |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:03:33 PM EDT
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Prototype=87% chance of never coming out - 12% chance of being made for a short time before going out of production leaving most of the parts to be unobtainium. Hate to be negative but that's the reality of the situation. If it was President Hillary then anything that goes bang and might be banned would sell but with Trump I don't see projects like this taking off.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:09:58 PM EDT
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Wake me up when they do a pistol and a .308 version.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:12:33 PM EDT
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Wake me up when they do a pistol and a .308 version. Short-barrel version is already one of the prototypes, I think. They'll have a pistol version, as well. |
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