I’m watching the Van Halen documentary below...



and at 17:21 they mention Roth cloned his act from a singer named Jim Dandy who was the frontman of a 70’s band called Black Oak Arkansas. Roth actually went to their show at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go with a home movie camera and asked if he could tape them.

Skip to 2:23 here to see Dandy on stage and judge for yourself.



Dave even copied his look and mannerisms.

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Dave, I am disappoint.

Everyone knows the David Lee Roth is really...

It was the 70s.
Probably every dude in the business had long hair, homo-erotic pant suits and shitty voices masked by the feedback and over-amped speakers.
Sure, they both had blonde hair, also, but.....

Black Oak Arkansas played The Chicken Shack in Luther, OK last weekend!

No shit!

Jimmy Dandy couldn't sing, so there's that.

Mentioned him in a thread just a couple of days ago.

Yea man!
Roth is a total fake and a poser.
I threw that 8 track away last year because of this.

The only thing I noticed in that video was the guitarist playing a Travis Bean.  I want one soo bad.

This.

First concert I ever saw was Black Oak Arkansas. Terre Haute, IN.

In '76 I got their "Raunch 'n' Roll" album on cassette. It was a hot pink cassette and a damn good album.

I always heard that growing up.  Yea the optics works.  The singing doesn't.  

But he was certainly influenced and did it well.

Well, in reality they were both copying Robert Plant....

Well...if Jim Dandy had teamed up with Eddie and Alex Van Halen and Michael Anthony, we might know his name today.

Elvis and Eminen ripped off black music.

Did David Lee Roth play the fucking washboard?

I think not.

It was all about sex, drugs, and rock & roll.

I've seen both of them live, and while Dave may have have patterned his image after Jim Dandy, his take on it was unique.

Both of them were just presenting the over-the-top frontman image that was expected at the time.

It entertained the audience and made the shows more exciting.

Influence? Yes. Rip-off? No. DLR was a talented performer. Can’t rip that off.

Really?

To the rescue

What if I told you Axl Rose ripped off his style from the singer of a band called Shark Island.

Dave took it to a new level, did more coke, and got more pussy.

FFS, the Black Oak Arkansas' list of past band members puts even Spinal Tap to shame:

Past members:
George Hughen  bass guitar (1985-2016)
Buddy Church  guitar (1989-1994, 2013-2016) (deceased, 2016)
Hal McCormack  lead guitar (2003-2016)
Harvey "Burley" Jett  lead guitar, banjo, piano, vocals (1965-1974)
Pat "Dirty" Daugherty  bass guitar, vocals (1965-1977, 1996-2002)
Wayne "Squeezebox" Evans  drums (1965-1972)
Stanley "Goober Grin" Knight  lead guitar, steel guitar, organ, vocals (1969-1976) (deceased, 2013)
Gary "GT" Taylor  drums (19691-972)
Tommy Aldridge  drums (1972-1976) Later joined the Pat Travers Band; also played for Gary Moore, Ozzy Osbourne, and Whitesnake, among others.
Bobby "T" Torello  drums (1977) Later played drums for Johnny Winter 1977-1983.
Abel Ji McKnight  drums (1977-1982)
Joel Williams  drums (1977-1978) Former member of 'Ruby Starr & Grey Ghost' 1974-1975
Randii Meers  drums (1978-1979)
Les John  drums (1979-1980)
Chris Craig  drums (1979-1982)
Darrell Miller  drums (1970s)
Cozy Johnson  drums (early 1980s)
Paul Simmons  drums (1985-1986) also played with Tom Keifer (of Cinderella) and Petra. Currently touring with the Gene Simmons Band (KISS bassist's solo band).
Victor Lukenbaugh  drums (1989-2016, 2018-2020) formerly in Judge Parker
Johnny "Monk" Courville III  drums (1990-1996)
Andy Tanas  bass guitar (1977-1980) Later joined Krokus
Dave Wilson  bass guitar (1979-1981) (deceased, 2013)
Kinley "Barney" Wolfe  bass guitar (1980-1983) Later joined Lord Tracy and The Cult
David "Wild Man" Cochran  bass guitar (2000-2002)
Jimmy "Soybean" Henderson  guitar (1975-1979) (deceased, 2016)
Jack Holder  guitar (1977-1979) (deceased, 2015)
Shawn Lane  guitar (1978-1982) (deceased, 2003)
Gavin Frisbee  guitar (1978-1980)
Dave Amato  guitar (1980) Currently in REO Speedwagon
Mick Chelsvig  guitar (1980-1981)
Tony Bullard  guitar (1981-1982) Currently in The New Lords and 'Earl & The Agitators' (Foghat spin-off)
Kevin Rees  lead guitar (early 1980s)
Robert Gregory  guitar (1985)
Angelo Earl  guitar (late 1980s)
John Roth  lead guitar (July 1986-October 1987; and about a-year-or-so around 1991) Currently in Winger
Arthur Pearson  lead guitar, rhythm guitar (1989present/on call) Currently in Judge Parker
Kevyn Williams  lead guitar (early 1990s)
Danny Leath  lead guitar (199?????)
Rocky Athas  lead guitar (1996-2001) Later joined John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Terry "Slydman" Powers  lead guitar (2000-2004)
Marius Penczner  keyboards (1975-1977) Former member of 'Ruby Starr & Grey Ghost' 1974-1975
David "Dave" Mayo  piano, bass guitar (1976) Former member of 'Ruby Starr & Grey Ghost' 1974-1975
Deke Richards  guitar, piano (1977-1978)
Greg Reding  guitar, keyboards, vocals (1977-1979)
Gary D. Rollins  keyboards (1978)
Ruby Starr  duet vocals, backing vocals (1973-1976) Later started her own band, 'Ruby Starr & Grey Ghost' (deceased, 1995)
Randy Ruff  lead vocals, piano, organ (1980-1982)
Kenny Rodgers  guitar
Alex Among  guitar
Steve "The Axe" Nunenmacher  lead guitar, rhythm guitar (Ready As Hell) Later formed Lillian Axe as 'Steve Blaze'
William Lemuel  bass guitar (Ready As Hell)
Jon "J.R."/"Thunder Paws" Wells  drums (Ready As Hell)
Billy Batte  keyboards, violin (Ready As Hell)
Michael "Narley Dude" Martin  lead guitar (The Black Attack Is Back) (deceased)
Biff "The Beast" Bingham  2nd lead guitar (Ready As Hell, The Black Attack Is Back)
Mike Farriss  bass guitar (The Black Attack Is Back)
Jerry A. Williams  drums (Ready As Hell, The Black Attack Is Back)
Garrett Bearden - Drums (1980s)
Mickey "Tricky" Smith - Drums, Road Tech

You need to let me know when these things happen , I love the chicken shack !

Yeah probably.

But to his credit he copied and improved - it also didn't hurt he had the VH brothers.

Have a jim dandy day.

That 4/4 beat sounds awfully familiar too.

That length of list is actually impressive.

Drugs are a hell of a thing.

Davesicle > Washboard.

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Yeah, it honestly is.

It shows that they're well-connected and adaptable. And probably pretty easy to work with, contrary to what a long list like that might suggest.

And as Dandy said in the same video that he stole the act from others

Hey! Thats just down the road!

(hour and a half)

looooooolllz!

I never even heard of Black Cock Oklahoman.

What if I told you that just a gigolo was from the 50s?

Music is additive.  Those who come after are influenced by those who came before.

No surprise there.

Roth took it and made it his own.

Question for extra credit.  Where did Axl Rose pick up his stage moves?  Very few will know this name.

Uh they all looked like that back then.

Richard Black of Shark Island?

100% this

worked with Johnny Courville, hell'a rock drummer

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DLR did it better.

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Denis Leary is a better Bill Hicks, too.

My brotha...

Not Shark Island, but love this version of this tune.

Meh, I don't buy it. He may have influenced DLR but not 1:1 copy.

Lots of lead singers dressed similar in that area and also danced that way. Look at Mick Jagger's stage mannerisms.

Did EVH "copy" Chuck Berry, Jimmy Page or Jimi Hendrix? Where does it end?

The bottom line is that earlier musicians influenced later musicians. Styles and methods of play came from somewhere. DLR and Van Halen just built upon the foundation. Many people believe they were the best at what they did. Count me in that group.

Niiiiice.

Music makes my ears feel good.

I got the answer from a previous post in this thread

Damnit.  Missed that post.

Well, to further my point, you can watch the video I posted and guess who got Slash's guitar tone sorted out.

Hint; It want Michael Schenker...

I thought early Axl and GNR was a blatant rip off of Michael Monroe and Hanoi Rocks.

They even used a line from a Hanoi Rocks song - welcome to the jungle.