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Posted: 2/6/2018 9:46:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ummm, no its not. 9.3 projectile diameter is .366 |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 10:05:40 PM EST
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Is there a concrete answer as to how much ammo from Wolf will cost? The whole reason I don't shoot 300blk is due to the stupid high cost of subsonics. If I can slap my octane 9 on this bad boy and shoot subsonics for <30cpr, I'm down for one.
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Posted: 2/6/2018 10:14:30 PM EST
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Whats the build list look like? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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None yet, parts are still coming in. Probably done next month  Upper: Aero Precision assembled upper (I usually do all of my building but this was the best deal I could find on an upper) Veritas Tactical 5" barrel (300BLK) S&J Hardware NLC-1 linear comp Barrel hasn't arrived yet, I need to measure the assembly to know what handguard I'll need... likely an SLR though. Lower: PSA stripped lower LaRue MBT (ordered today  )
Magpul K2+ grip (my favorite for pistols) Some other lower parts I haven't fully decided on yet, I typically build with milspec parts but this pistol is for a specific purpose. I haven't fully decided on the brace yet; it'll either be a LAW Tactical folder or a Maxim PDW. Obviously the folder will make it shorter than the Rattler pistol, but even with the PDW brace it should come out a bit shorter as well (fully collapsed Rattler is 19.25" according to an Arfcommer). I'm eyeballing an ACSS TA-44 for the optic 
It's being specifically built to be carried in a backpack or messenger bag without being disassembled. From ballistic calculators I've looked at it should be effective out to about 150yds with TAC-TX 110s. |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 10:26:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I spoke to the folks at Lehigh Defense and they were very excited about what the 9x39mm brings to the table. They said it would be much easier making subsonic ammunition which expanded reliably and easy to make supersonic ammunition for it........ The larger diameter and additional weight gives it a number of advantages over the 300 BLK It makes a bullet designer's job much easier 
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Posted: 2/6/2018 11:09:39 PM EST
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Is there any wolf 9x39 for sale yet? I'd like to see one in person.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:28:38 AM EST
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I can sure as heck see sizing down some 9.3mm bullets to use in it.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:20:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will use a standard lower. The only things needed to convert a standard AR-15 to 9x39mm is: 1. A 7.62x39mm or (old .125) 6.5mm Grendel bolt. 2. A 9x39mm barrel. 3. A suitable muzzle device. 4. A magazine. That is it.........and you are up and running. 
ETA ----- Wait one... If these are interchangeable, that means this refers to the old "Type I" .125 depth Grendel bolts. That sucks and I officially retract my bolt related enthusiasm. 
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:45:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ummm, no its not. 9.3 projectile diameter is .366 |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:59:16 PM EST
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So what caliber can should I buy ? .45/.40/9mm?
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Posted: 2/7/2018 4:13:45 PM EST
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Ooohhh... This dovetails nicely with my existing Grendel lust.
ETA ----- Wait one... If these are interchangeable, that means this refers to the old "Type I" .125 depth Grendel bolts. That sucks and I officially retract my bolt related enthusiasm. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 7:08:19 PM EST
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So what caliber can should I buy ? .45/.40/9mm? It will suppress the smaller calibers just fine, and opens you up to be able to use it on multiple guns. Plus, 45acp is subsonic, so you'll need a bolt gun for that. It makes a fun backyard plinker. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 7:47:52 PM EST
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So what caliber can should I buy ? .45/.40/9mm? SIlencerCo Hybrid will be PERFECT. ETA: If you could talk the SilencerCo people into making a flash hider ACR (Or whatever they're calling it) mount that would be the shit. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 10:55:48 AM EST
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Those looking for a U.S. / .mil adopted round might consider the SMAW spotter/tracer round:
The ballistics should be very similar. No available guns in that caliber though. 
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:02:41 AM EST
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SIlencerCo Hybrid will be PERFECT. ETA: If you could talk the SilencerCo people into making a flash hider ACR (Or whatever they're calling it) mount that would be the shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what caliber can should I buy ? .45/.40/9mm? ETA: If you could talk the SilencerCo people into making a flash hider ACR (Or whatever they're calling it) mount that would be the shit. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:05:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SIlencerCo Hybrid will be PERFECT. ETA: If you could talk the SilencerCo people into making a flash hider ACR (Or whatever they're calling it) mount that would be the shit. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:50:34 AM EST
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Any idea on the cost of Ammo or uppers?
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Posted: 2/8/2018 12:00:31 PM EST
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IIRC they make a 9mm ASR now; would that work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: SIlencerCo Hybrid will be PERFECT. ETA: If you could talk the SilencerCo people into making a flash hider ACR (Or whatever they're calling it) mount that would be the shit. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 12:04:29 PM EST
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Looks pretty cool, do want!
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Posted: 2/8/2018 2:15:35 PM EST
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Those looking for a U.S. / .mil adopted round might consider the SMAW spotter/tracer round: http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/attachments/spotter_round.jpg The ballistics should be very similar. No available guns in that caliber though. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 2:20:36 PM EST
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Not complete yet: Upper: Aero Precision assembled upper (I usually do all of my building but this was the best deal I could find on an upper) Veritas Tactical 5" barrel (300BLK) S&J Hardware NLC-1 linear comp Barrel hasn't arrived yet, I need to measure the assembly to know what handguard I'll need... likely an SLR though. Lower: PSA stripped lower LaRue MBT (ordered today )
Magpul K2+ grip (my favorite for pistols) Some other lower parts I haven't fully decided on yet, I typically build with milspec parts but this pistol is for a specific purpose. I haven't fully decided on the brace yet; it'll either be a LAW Tactical folder or a Maxim PDW. Obviously the folder will make it shorter than the Rattler pistol, but even with the PDW brace it should come out a bit shorter as well (fully collapsed Rattler is 19.25" according to an Arfcommer). I'm eyeballing an ACSS TA-44 for the optic
It's being specifically built to be carried in a backpack or messenger bag without being disassembled. From ballistic calculators I've looked at it should be effective out to about 150yds with TAC-TX 110s. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 4:19:23 PM EST
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Assuming they don't dick it up and put anything besides 1/2 x 28 threads on the barrel that would work fine Quote HistoryQuoted:
Assuming they don't dick it up and put anything besides 1/2 x 28 threads on the barrel that would work fine I'd just get mine recut if they did anything that abject stupid. Quoted:
I have the Liberty Cosmic and it's a great multi-cal can. The hybrid is also good. They both have their pros and cons. I've seen those things, do they have a common attachment point like Silencerco does? Also, I was thinking, while rubbing my hands together and laughing maniacally, that I'd cut mine down to exactly the barrel length of the VSS and put a 3 lug adaptor on that bad boy UNDER the handguard, then stick it on a brace pistol lower. *THAT* would be a handy little package. And because it is an actual modern suppressor, it would be MORE quiet... quieter... you know less loud than the real deal VSS. Not that I'm not going to get a two stamp VSS when they come out, but a little AR like that.... HNNNNNggggg.... |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 4:24:10 PM EST
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I'd just get mine recut if they did anything that abject stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Assuming they don't dick it up and put anything besides 1/2 x 28 threads on the barrel that would work fine |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 4:29:16 PM EST
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1/2 x 28 3 lug mounts can be had for like $40 and since this is going to need a pistol can that's how most folks are probably going to be suppressing it, as long as they don't pull a CZ (scorpion evo 1 with the euro cut barrel) then all should be fine and dandy SilencerCo Hybrid is an everything suppressor. (It's got a .46 opening) It is astonishingly quiet with pistol subsonics. I also have a GM45 and an Osprey and the Hybrid beats them hands down. I get wet performance out of the hybrid. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 4:36:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd just get mine recut if they did anything that abject stupid. I've seen those things, do they have a common attachment point like Silencerco does? Also, I was thinking, while rubbing my hands together and laughing maniacally, that I'd cut mine down to exactly the barrel length of the VSS and put a 3 lug adaptor on that bad boy UNDER the handguard, then stick it on a brace pistol lower. *THAT* would be a handy little package. And because it is an actual modern suppressor, it would be MORE quiet... quieter... you know less loud than the real deal VSS. Not that I'm not going to get a two stamp VSS when they come out, but a little AR like that.... HNNNNNggggg.... |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 4:36:46 PM EST
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SilencerCo Hybrid is an everything suppressor. (It's got a .46 opening) It is astonishingly quiet with pistol subsonics. I also have a GM45 and an Osprey and the Hybrid beats them hands down. I get wet performance out of the hybrid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 1/2 x 28 3 lug mounts can be had for like $40 and since this is going to need a pistol can that's how most folks are probably going to be suppressing it, as long as they don't pull a CZ (scorpion evo 1 with the euro cut barrel) then all should be fine and dandy It is astonishingly quiet with pistol subsonics. I also have a GM45 and an Osprey and the Hybrid beats them hands down. I get wet performance out of the hybrid. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 5:09:05 PM EST
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Looks like a .35 Whelen, only based on a 7.62x51 case instead of .30-06 But instead they started with a 308 case (7.62 NATO), then they modify it, so that a .22 Hornet case fits inside the 308 case, but instead of a .22 Hornet, they use a special .22 Hornet blank cartridge, then the neck-up the 308 case from .762 to 9mm, and use a special 9mm tracer bullet. Performance similar to the Russian round, but with a regular 9mm bullet, which would make it reloadable! |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 6:37:24 PM EST
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Can't wait to see it. Have you looked at the Tailhook Mod3? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not complete yet: Upper: Aero Precision assembled upper (I usually do all of my building but this was the best deal I could find on an upper) Veritas Tactical 5" barrel (300BLK) S&J Hardware NLC-1 linear comp Barrel hasn't arrived yet, I need to measure the assembly to know what handguard I'll need... likely an SLR though. Lower: PSA stripped lower LaRue MBT (ordered today )
Magpul K2+ grip (my favorite for pistols) Some other lower parts I haven't fully decided on yet, I typically build with milspec parts but this pistol is for a specific purpose. I haven't fully decided on the brace yet; it'll either be a LAW Tactical folder or a Maxim PDW. Obviously the folder will make it shorter than the Rattler pistol, but even with the PDW brace it should come out a bit shorter as well (fully collapsed Rattler is 19.25" according to an Arfcommer). I'm eyeballing an ACSS TA-44 for the optic
It's being specifically built to be carried in a backpack or messenger bag without being disassembled. From ballistic calculators I've looked at it should be effective out to about 150yds with TAC-TX 110s. If you know something, PLEASE tell me... all I've seen is a 3D rendering.
The Maxim is the shortest PDW-style pistol brace I've been able to find. I know Strike? or somebody is working on another one... |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:36:17 PM EST
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So anyone have any news?
I did see that Aim has the 12.5" A1 5.56 uppers in stock so maybe it's getting closer
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:54:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC they make a 9mm ASR now; would that work? |
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Posted: 2/9/2018 3:49:28 PM EST
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So anyone have any news? I did see that Aim has the 12.5" A1 5.56 uppers in stock so maybe it's getting closer |
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Posted: 2/9/2018 4:16:13 PM EST
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Most 9x39 carbines have super short barrels IIRC like 8" being on the long side |
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Posted: 2/9/2018 4:44:30 PM EST
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Where do you see it? I don't, I only see their 16in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So anyone have any news? I did see that Aim has the 12.5" A1 5.56 uppers in stock so maybe it's getting closer https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XWAUT91B125&name=WOLF+A1+.223%2f5.56+Gas+Piston+Upper+Receiver+12.5+in.+Barrel&search=Wolf |
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Posted: 2/9/2018 4:54:33 PM EST
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I'm guessing, if the 9x39 doesn't taper, its cartridge volume is about 18% larger than 7.63x39. Then, with a larger bore in the barrel than 7.62, the 9x39 will have more energy from equal length barrels than 7.62x39. If the cartridge volume is 18% larger, the 9 will have the same muzzle energy with a 16.3" barrel as 7.62 with an 18.5" barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most 9x39 carbines have super short barrels IIRC like 8" being on the long side As for more cartridge volume, is that accounting for when loaded like so (it's standard): 
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Posted: 2/10/2018 12:28:25 AM EST
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So anyone have any news? I did see that Aim has the 12.5" A1 5.56 uppers in stock so maybe it's getting closer https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XWAUT91B125&name=WOLF+A1+.223%2f5.56+Gas+Piston+Upper+Receiver+12.5+in.+Barrel&search=Wolf Best, JBR |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 9:26:42 PM EST
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That's the 5.56 upper, if you enhance, enhance, enhance... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/277447/wolf_upper-443758.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is that the 9x39 or the first one in the video? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/277447/wolf_upper-443758.png |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 5:32:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will use a standard lower. The only things needed to convert a standard AR-15 to 9x39mm is: 1. A 7.62x39mm or 6.5mm Grendel bolt. 2. A 9x39mm barrel. 3. A suitable muzzle device. 4. A magazine. That is it.........and you are up and running. What kind of magazines will run in an AR lower btw What is the word on these components being available separately? Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but if you have a second to clarify it would be nice. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 11:03:49 AM EST
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Can't wait to see it.  Attached FileI measured and it came out to 19 1/8th inches overall, an eighth of an inch shorter than a Rattler pistol
Granted, the barrel is a half inch shorter too, but this was a whole lot cheaper as well ...I just hope it actually works
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Posted: 2/16/2018 2:21:27 PM EST
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@gunwritr What kind of magazines will run in an AR lower btw What is the word on these components being available separately? Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but if you have a second to clarify it would be nice. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 5:05:25 PM EST
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@gunwritr What kind of magazines will run in an AR lower btw What is the word on these components being available separately? Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but if you have a second to clarify it would be nice. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 5:10:19 PM EST
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I was told they were using standard AR-15 7.62x39mm magazines, they said the short ones were working fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@gunwritr What kind of magazines will run in an AR lower btw What is the word on these components being available separately? Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but if you have a second to clarify it would be nice. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 11:07:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, that means they'll have the greater case taper of 7.62x39....? |
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Posted: 2/17/2018 3:18:10 AM EST
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The photos I saw showed the nag having slightly l see taper than a x39 round. Or even just stuff them into an AR magazine and see what happens. |
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Posted: 2/17/2018 10:47:43 AM EST
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Will a regular 7.62x39 bolt work?
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Posted: 2/17/2018 11:50:04 AM EST
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Will a regular 7.62x39 bolt work? |
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Posted: 2/17/2018 11:51:18 AM EST
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Honestly that might make them MORE reliable with the 9x39 than the 7.62x39... Or even just stuff them into an AR magazine and see what happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The photos I saw showed the nag having slightly l see taper than a x39 round. Or even just stuff them into an AR magazine and see what happens. |
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Posted: 2/17/2018 12:20:07 PM EST
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If you look up the magazine for the 9x39 round it looks more like a 5.56 mag than a 7.62x39 mag.
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Posted: 2/17/2018 1:40:47 PM EST
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Maybe I missed it but any eta when uppers will come to the states? Or Ammo for that matter
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Posted: 3/9/2018 12:38:59 PM EST
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Any updates on this?
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Posted: 3/9/2018 12:51:28 PM EST
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Any updates on this?
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Posted: 3/9/2018 3:14:49 PM EST
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I saw someone posting pics of the ammo on instagram the other day.
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