Thanks for your answers. It isn't something I ever any thought to until I saw the arguments with you and the other poster then I got curious.

What outcome?

Grades?

All grades represent us how well you can do what the government tells you to do.

I thought this was America, built by rebels

Some of you need to do some reading:

Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling - John Taylor Gatto
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/225850.Dumbing_Us_Down

Inside American Education - Thomas Sowell
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1139175.Inside_American_Education

Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation - Pete Hegseth
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/59028610

Children of the Collective - Connor Boyack
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/66087392-children-of-the-collective

I'm just glad my grandkids aren't getting indoctrinated by the failures in your rotten bureaucratic system. That fixes the system for our family.

You're a liberal so you can only think like a collectivist. What you'll never understand is that there's no such thing as a collective liberal solution... only individual American solutions.

You don't have the power to fix anything except your own life. Go be an "expert" there. Americans don't need "experts". Decent people who govern themselves don't need to be governed by your bureaucrats. They simply leave your corrupt system behind and create their own parallel system. Home schooling is just one such a parallel system.

In your narcissism, you can't believe someone could both disagree and comprehend.

There are a lot of liberal shitheads here.

Regardless, there are some Americans here
who love their children enough to save them
from the perverts and the groomers.

Based on the number of Manifestation Determination meetings that I run, I disagree with you. If Q1 and Q2 are both no, even SPED & 504 kids can be expelled. There are some behaviors that are very likely to result in expulsion.
Even with the highest degree of protections (IEP or 504 and a finding that a behavior was a manifestation of the students disability or a direct result of failure to implement), there is still the potential for unilateral removal to an interim alternative placement for up to 45 (school) days in situations involving a weapon, serious bodily injury, or controlled substances.

In Connecticut, expulsion is portable-meaning that if a student is expelled from a district and enrolls in another, they can continue to be expelled pending a hearing in the receiving district as to whether or not that district will accept the expulsion (the receiving district may or may not, or may offer an alternative).

I can't speak for Texas. Here in Connecticut, that is a district decision.

If the decision is made to impose an expulsion, the Superintendent who administers the expulsion gets to make a lot of decisions.

Durationwise, an expulsion can be up to 180 school days/ 1 calendar year here. The district is required to continue to provide an education, including Special education services and related services if the student has an IEP (or certain related services if a student has a 504). In some instances, homebound tutoring services are used to meet the educational service provision requirement. The more common option is to send students to a small alternative program. In some instances, involving students with IEPs, the district may pursue an outplacement (if that is necessary to maintain FAPE).

Expulsion is portable- if a student is expelled and registers in another district, the receiving district would hold a hearing and determine whether to accept the expulsion or not. If the district chooses to accept the expulsion, then they get to figure out how to educate the kid. If not, then the kid gets to go to school.

In Connecticut- expulsion can be for as little as 11 days or up to a full calendar year. While suspended or expelled a student can't be on any grounds within the district or school sanctioned events (state law o)- though there are circumstances in which they might have some limited privilege (e.g. attending an assigned alternative programs0. Kids who are subject to expulsion can also be referred to sped and the district would be responsible for evaluating and determining eligibility during that time (I have conducted evals in this kind of situation).  


I have never been present for one of the hearings for entrants who are subject to an expulsion imposed by another district. I can't go into a lot of detail of (due to legal/ confidentiality reasons) but the decision making is very similar to the type of decision making that a district would use when contemplating expulsion during a regular expulsion hearing.

Y'all were bitchin' n moanin' about my arithmetic when using 70 hours per week.

I can tell you did not read the thread, not even page 1.


You see, I was just checking this guys assertion.  The 70 hours comes from HIM, not me.



If you do not believe 70 hours per week, bitch with him, not me.

So whats the average monthly salary for a teacher?

Everytime I hear about teacher pay issues the complainers make them out to be heros or gods of society and deserve everything under the sun. Pffft.

It's entirely dependent upon location, time in system, degrees/certifications and can range wildly.

I see 20 year teachers in MS, OK, KS talking about being at $40-50k/year while those of us in other states with similar are +$100k/year.

That is actually no different then an engineer making 200K in LA California VS 60K in Bumfvck Arkansas while doing basically the same job.

Any areas with widely different cost of living tend to have widely different pay scales.

No shit.  During the Obama recession the only new cars I saw were at the public school teacher lots.

You don't get it. Disagree and comprehend simultaneously is fine, but it is obvious you do not comprehend. I made an open offer to answer questions.  Rather than ask any, you took the easy road and insisted that people are liberals and/or shitheads for not wanting to abandon the vast majority of our country's youth to communists.

It is your problem too whether you like it or not. Your grandkids are getting an acceptable education so fuck everyone else, right?

teachers in NY have it made.  

Don’t be fooled. MOST Teachers in MOST public schools systems are paid pretty well. The National average is $50K to $90K. Not too bad for 9 months of work. Many make almost as much during the Summer Break from tutoring and other gigs.

I’m not saying they are getting rich or that good Teachers don’t deserve more but they aren’t working just for the apples.

I would like to see a merit system based on student performance along with a school voucher program. Tie the success of Teachers, Students and Schools together. Also, cut loose “problem” kids. One bad kid can bring down an entire classroom. Some kids need to be left behind.

<———-Wife was a public school Teacher for 9 years.

Thanks to demographics, a lot of those pensions aren’t going to survive on equal terms. Funding was already questionable and with boomers retiring, it will get a lot worse.

In our local district, a teacher with a bachelors degree and no experience will start at 42,000/year with a health allowance that is equal to the highest health PPO the state offers.  The contract is for 181 seven hour workdays, which includes 10 sick days and 3 vacation days.  

That same teacher, 20 years later will be making 58,500/year, with benefits being the same.  

Many teachers don't make it 20 years.  The job is much more difficult than most people think.  I wouldn't do it.

They are all democrats. We should be cutting their pay. Not raising it.

"It's not your problem when
you find your own solution."

--tooter

My Grandkids being educated in a parallel American system
DO NOT PREVENT any other parents
from exercising the SAME choice
of self governance over government dependence.

In Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged", Americans withdrew from an immorally corrupt bureaucratic system and formed their own parallel system.

What was once fiction has become prophecy:

in 1992, LAUSD enrolled 737,000 students.
In 2022 it enrolled just 430,000 students.

This is a drop of 41%...

...and yet the 2022 LAUSD budget was 20 BILLION dollars.

That's $46,000 per student per year.

Parents who love their children are LEAVING the rotten liberal government system
and forming their own PARALLEL system just like Atlas Shrugged.

One of the key issues will be resolved when teachers learn that when only working 9 months a year, they are only entitled to a 75% salary.

You're quoting numerical stats from one of the worst areas of the worst states in the entire country, a state where you live and, presumably, pay taxes that fund that cesspool.

What if, instead of ceding the government and all of its associated institutions to liberals and communists, we instead sought out solutions to improve society by fighting back? Making changes on a micro level (moving kids to a private school) is most certainly a good choice at this time. However, that is not attainable on a macro level within the current framework. Let's set about finding solutions rather than throwing up our hands and declaring defeat.

I'm near certain that, if nothing else, you'll agree that the current system is both an exceedingly poor waste of taxpayer dollars AND a major contributing factor to the decay of society, both in this country and in general. (At this juncture, what happens elsewhere is irrelevant until we fix our own country). Agree or disagree?

Putting kids(or grandkids) in private schools and working to fix our currently broken systems are not mutually exclusive, one just requires a great deal more work.  There are plenty of people on this very site trying to do the right thing, whether it is being a good, conservative and moral voice in schools a a teacher, a school board member, or a taxpayer that isn't willing to sit idly by and take potshots at people who are trying instead of complaining.

I am welcoming solutions as a taxpayer, parent, and citizen. If you want to discuss solutions, let's do that. If you'd rather continue complaints, attacks and simplistic world view I'll not respond further.

I think many are becoming teachers.
Home schooling requires just that.

As far as being active in your childs school, you can't fix stupid ass teachers that don't like involved parents, and thye can't be fired unless they get caught molesting your kids.
I was active in the public school system then changed to becoming a teacher of my kids.

The worst home schooling by loving parents is better than the best public school system

I have several ps teachers in my extremely large family, and the ones in grade school barely work 8 a day.
One teaching in continuation high school is about the same.


Out of curiosity, how do you calculate that they are working 14 hour days?
I haven't met a teacher yet that works those kind of hours.

They have lesson plans for days so that kind of prep is not necessary.

Please walk us through their 14 hour days for better understanding

Thanks for that info captain obvious.
We knew that was a problem with our child.
You would think teachers who are paid to educate would not have an issue for involved parents,

Bad teachers are just as apathetic as uninvolved parents

No offense taken, I have to deal with lazy ass people daily just like the lazy ass teachers.
I get it, no one likes to do more than they think they need to.

Again the worst homeschool education from loving parents is normally better than the best public school education.

Those stats are where I live so that's what I'm most familiar with.
The collapse in enrollment demonstrates a positive solution:

GET YOUR KIDS OUT.

California is on the leading edge of societal decay, and anyone who believes this liberal rot won't spread to where they live is a fool.

I actually have no personal complaints about your public education system, because my family (and friends) all homeschool their children in their own education system.

The liberal public education clusterfuck is your creation. Your rotten system can't be fixed because liberal Democrat unions here like UTLA run the public schools. Your system can only DIE from parents taking their kids OUT... and here, they are taking them out by the thousands which pleases me to no end.

Getting your kids OUT of the rotten public education system
and creating your own PARALLEL system
is by far the most POSITIVE action any parent can take.

THIS is the American solution because it is individual and is INDEPENDENT of what the government does or what others do.
You don't need to try to form some liberal collective to "discuss" fake solutions. You're totally on the wrong track, so get a spine.

Collective liberal solutions won't work.
because they caused the problem.

I've never met a teacher that worked 70 hour weeks.  That's K-12 or college, and STEM, liberal arts, or Special Ed.

Is she a coaching a sport?  I guess that I could see it during the sports season of that activity, but that's it.