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Posted: 9/8/2019 8:38:14 PM EST
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I used the word "local" but I did not say local law enforcement could or should deport illegal aliens. Read, probably for the first time, the words emphasized in bold and red. When reading something, be it a post, a vomit bag, or even a book that is longer than a page long, you can't just look at one word that is used without considering the other words that come before and after it. We call that context or context clues. That context helps us to understand what idea is being conveyed. As far as I know, he did NOT say that your local meter maid was supposed to deport illegal aliens. I did not say that your local meter maid was supposed to deport illegal aliens. His point, which you missed completely and thoroughly, is that people do not like the appearance of unjust weights and measures. That's it and that's all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sovereign-citizen-gets-pulled-over-for-seat-belt-violation/5-2252891/?page=6#i80827986 I originally responded to this, and you mentioned local. Read, probably for the first time, the words emphasized in bold and red. Quoted: Of course he understands that state and local law enforcement can't enforce federal laws. That isn't the point he is making. The point he is making is that your average, ordinary, law-abidingish American gets a bit jaded and pissed when they see serious crimes go ignored or willfully unenforced while John Q. Public gets the book thrown at him; especially for trivial bullshit such as driving without a seat belt. How on earth did you miss that? As far as I know, he did NOT say that your local meter maid was supposed to deport illegal aliens. I did not say that your local meter maid was supposed to deport illegal aliens. His point, which you missed completely and thoroughly, is that people do not like the appearance of unjust weights and measures. That's it and that's all. As someone said, I think you like to see yourself type. You mentioned local, I responded. You're double speak is on point, I'll give you that. And your last point about people don't like the appearance just confirms my notion about what I said about the public. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 8:39:02 PM EST
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It's kind of like the guy who called a suicide hotline, they asked if he had weapons and when he said yes, they deployed a team on him or such and in the end, shot him. Gotta shoot them to keep from committing suicide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're going to keep you safe by making you pay us money. What, you don't want to pay us money for pulling you over? We will break your window, pull you through the glass, and shove you to the ground and arrest you. How about a fucking "hey dude, I pulled you over to remind you to buckle your seat belt. Have a nice day!" Gotta shoot them to keep from committing suicide. Send the shrinks in. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 8:48:58 PM EST
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One thing about sovereign citizens is they can be quite entertaining esp. when they start playing junior lawyer. They can also be quite violent in a traffic stop. ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I liked the encounter with one on Live PD who refused to get out of the car. Until they opened the passenger door and inserted the maligator.  |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:09:13 PM EST
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We can all agree that you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to criminal patrol. Let’s just leave it at that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I think the fact you can't determine if what I wrote was serious or not and still responded to it as if it were serious is an excellent demonstration of how moronic and idiotic the arguments against the officers actions are. Thank you for that. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:09:31 PM EST
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Keep moving goat posts. As someone said, I think you like to see yourself type. You mentioned local, I responded. You're double speak is on point, I'll give you that. And your last point about people don't like the appearance just confirms my notion about what I said about the public. You said something silly because you didn't take the time to read the original post somebody else didn't read and then you tried to play a childish word game as if that mattered. The only thing you have accomplished today is to live up to my every expectation. 
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:09:43 PM EST
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We can all agree that you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to criminal patrol. Let’s just leave it at that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:10:32 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:11:29 PM EST
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Yeah, a guy traveling without all the papers required, and God forbid, without a seat belt. A real threat to me and to the society. Turn him over to the precrime unit. https://i.imgur.com/NQupI0J.jpg |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:13:16 PM EST
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I haven't moved any goal posts or used any double speak and you can't show otherwise but you sure have a knack for making up things up out of thin air. You said something silly because you didn't take the time to read the original post somebody else didn't read and then you tried to play a childish word game as if that mattered. The only thing you have accomplished today is to live up to my every expectation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep moving goat posts. As someone said, I think you like to see yourself type. You mentioned local, I responded. You're double speak is on point, I'll give you that. And your last point about people don't like the appearance just confirms my notion about what I said about the public. You said something silly because you didn't take the time to read the original post somebody else didn't read and then you tried to play a childish word game as if that mattered. The only thing you have accomplished today is to live up to my every expectation. You started backtracking hard explaining WHY you said local. /shrugs |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:16:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said you didn't say local... I pointed out you did. You started backtracking hard explaining WHY you said local. /shrugs
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:18:50 PM EST
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Sovereign citizen poster just outed himself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, a guy traveling without all the papers required, and God forbid, without a seat belt. A real threat to me and to the society. Turn him over to the precrime unit. https://i.imgur.com/NQupI0J.jpg 
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:20:27 PM EST
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I never said that. You are lying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You said you didn't say local... I pointed out you did. You started backtracking hard explaining WHY you said local. /shrugs Quoted:
Quoted: Key phrase "local cops". You keep missing the key terms... Ignoring for a second the fact that local cops will sometimes accompany state and federal officers enforcing those laws, I don't have to alter my past statements because you want to play games to avoid admitting not knowing what the hell you were talking about. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:24:12 PM EST
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He's not "posting" he's "forwarding" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, a guy traveling without all the papers required, and God forbid, without a seat belt. A real threat to me and to the society. Turn him over to the precrime unit. https://i.imgur.com/NQupI0J.jpg 
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:28:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm done with you. You can't even keep your posts straight. Tax Monkey: I said law enforcement and you said local cops. The part in red is not the same thing as the part in blue. I never said "I didn't say local" and you can't quote it because it doesn't exist. You're a liar.
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:38:20 PM EST
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In California, the sequence of events was this:
First, they said you can never be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Then they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Finally, they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there is a substantial fine. In the latter two cases, it can be used as a pretext to request a search of your vehicle. Slippery slope in action. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:39:16 PM EST
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In California, the sequence of events was this: First, they said you can never be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Then they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Finally, they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there is a substantial fine. In the latter two cases, it can be used as a pretext to request a search of your vehicle. Slippery slope in action. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:41:50 PM EST
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In California, the sequence of events was this: First, they said you can never be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Then they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Finally, they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there is a substantial fine. In the latter two cases, it can be used as a pretext to request a search of your vehicle. Slippery slope in action. Disgusting. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 9:48:22 PM EST
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In California, the sequence of events was this: First, they said you can never be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Then they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there was no fine, just a warning. Finally, they said you can be pulled over for a seat belt violation alone and there is a substantial fine. In the latter two cases, it can be used as a pretext to request a search of your vehicle. Slippery slope in action. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:03:10 PM EST
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Ok, find a few labor laws that local cops would enforce. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know what I have authority over and what I don't. Labor laws isn't one of them. That was the crux of my reply, which you apparently missed. Yeah, it was fairly obvious you were saying state and local law enforcement can't enforce federal laws. The problem is that wasn't his point. You response overlooked the core of his argument and focused, instead, on one silly issue. Or do you think federal law enforcement do not qualify as law enforcement? I mean, he even mentioned the FBI, a federal agency, in his post.
Edit: Before anyone is inclined to play the "BS gotcha game," my comment was directed towards TEXASROOTERSBROTHER on page 6 and not your original response to alatenn on page 1. |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:06:23 PM EST
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Find one local cops enforce. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:20:34 PM EST
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Labor Code - LAB
DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 3. SAFETY ON BUILDINGS [7100 - 7384] ( Part 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 1. Buildings Under Construction or Repair [7100 - 7267] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) ARTICLE 2. Scaffolding [7150 - 7158] ( Article 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 7155. Violation of any provision of section 7151 to 7154 inclusive is a misdemeanor. (Enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90.) I'll let you figure out how to find 7151 -7154, but I bet you'll find they require employers to provide a safe work environment. Could a local cop enforce that? Sure. Unless you can pull a reason out of your silly ass that they couldn't. Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 2. SAFEGUARDS ON RAILROADS [6800 - 7000] ( Part 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 3. Safety Devices [6950 - 6956] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 6956. Any common carrier violating Sections 6953 or 6954 is guilty of a misdemeanor for each violation, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars ($200) for each offense. Each day that any electric car is operated in interurban service or that any electric locomotive is operated, is a separate offense. (Amended by Stats. 1983, Ch. 1092, Sec. 222. Effective September 27, 1983. Operative January 1, 1984, by Sec. 427 of Ch. 1092.) |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:22:52 PM EST
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Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 3. SAFETY ON BUILDINGS [7100 - 7384] ( Part 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 1. Buildings Under Construction or Repair [7100 - 7267] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) ARTICLE 2. Scaffolding [7150 - 7158] ( Article 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 7155. Violation of any provision of section 7151 to 7154 inclusive is a misdemeanor. (Enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90.) I'll let you figure out how to find 7151 -7154, but I bet you'll find they require employers to provide a safe work environment. Could a local cop enforce that? Sure. Unless you can pull a reason out of your silly ass that they couldn't. Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 2. SAFEGUARDS ON RAILROADS [6800 - 7000] ( Part 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 3. Safety Devices [6950 - 6956] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 6956. Any common carrier violating Sections 6953 or 6954 is guilty of a misdemeanor for each violation, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars ($200) for each offense. Each day that any electric car is operated in interurban service or that any electric locomotive is operated, is a separate offense. (Amended by Stats. 1983, Ch. 1092, Sec. 222. Effective September 27, 1983. Operative January 1, 1984, by Sec. 427 of Ch. 1092.) |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:38:33 PM EST
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Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 3. SAFETY ON BUILDINGS [7100 - 7384] ( Part 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 1. Buildings Under Construction or Repair [7100 - 7267] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) ARTICLE 2. Scaffolding [7150 - 7158] ( Article 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 7155. Violation of any provision of section 7151 to 7154 inclusive is a misdemeanor. (Enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90.) I'll let you figure out how to find 7151 -7154, but I bet you'll find they require employers to provide a safe work environment. Could a local cop enforce that? Sure. Unless you can pull a reason out of your silly ass that they couldn't. Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 2. SAFEGUARDS ON RAILROADS [6800 - 7000] ( Part 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 3. Safety Devices [6950 - 6956] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 6956. Any common carrier violating Sections 6953 or 6954 is guilty of a misdemeanor for each violation, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars ($200) for each offense. Each day that any electric car is operated in interurban service or that any electric locomotive is operated, is a separate offense. (Amended by Stats. 1983, Ch. 1092, Sec. 222. Effective September 27, 1983. Operative January 1, 1984, by Sec. 427 of Ch. 1092.) |
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Posted: 9/8/2019 10:40:49 PM EST
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Most would be enforced by City and District Attorneys. possibly State DoJ, assuming you're referring to a State Labor Code. Most are civil violations, but in CA there are a few that are specifically criminal violations with respect to not reporting work place injuries, providing Workers Compensation laws regarding employer responsibilities and duties within statutory time limits, also safety violations that result in injuries or deaths, hazardous material exposures, that kind of thing can have criminal provisions and be enforced by (or arrests made by ) local law agencies. You understand how that works. Investigations, presentation to City Attorney, District Attorney, Grand Jury, Coroner's Inquest or Jury. Charges brought forward. Defendant arrested, or possibly legally represented in court. Like a lot of other crimes. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 4:01:03 AM EST
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Most would be enforced by City and District Attorneys. possibly State DoJ, assuming you're referring to a State Labor Code. Most are civil violations, but in CA there are a few that are specifically criminal violations with respect to not reporting work place injuries, providing Workers Compensation laws regarding employer responsibilities and duties within statutory time limits, also safety violations that result in injuries or deaths, hazardous material exposures, that kind of thing can have criminal provisions and be enforced by (or arrests made by ) local law agencies. You understand how that works. Investigations, presentation to City Attorney, District Attorney, Grand Jury, Coroner's Inquest or Jury. Charges brought forward. Defendant arrested, or possibly legally represented in court. Like a lot of other crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know what I have authority over and what I don't. Labor laws isn't one of them. That was the crux of my reply, which you apparently missed. Yeah, it was fairly obvious you were saying state and local law enforcement can't enforce federal laws. The problem is that wasn't his point. You response overlooked the core of his argument and focused, instead, on one silly issue. Or do you think federal law enforcement do not qualify as law enforcement? I mean, he even mentioned the FBI, a federal agency, in his post.
Edit: Before anyone is inclined to play the "BS gotcha game," my comment was directed towards TEXASROOTERSBROTHER on page 6 and not your original response to alatenn on page 1. Got it. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 4:01:41 AM EST
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define local apparently you don't have an idea that most here recognize. Are City and District Attornies "local" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/9/2019 4:04:53 AM EST
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Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 3. SAFETY ON BUILDINGS [7100 - 7384] ( Part 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 1. Buildings Under Construction or Repair [7100 - 7267] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) ARTICLE 2. Scaffolding [7150 - 7158] ( Article 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 7155. Violation of any provision of section 7151 to 7154 inclusive is a misdemeanor. (Enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90.) I'll let you figure out how to find 7151 -7154, but I bet you'll find they require employers to provide a safe work environment. Could a local cop enforce that? Sure. Unless you can pull a reason out of your silly ass that they couldn't. Labor Code - LAB DIVISION 5. SAFETY IN EMPLOYMENT [6300 - 9104] ( Division 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) PART 2. SAFEGUARDS ON RAILROADS [6800 - 7000] ( Part 2 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) CHAPTER 3. Safety Devices [6950 - 6956] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. ) 6956. Any common carrier violating Sections 6953 or 6954 is guilty of a misdemeanor for each violation, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars ($200) for each offense. Each day that any electric car is operated in interurban service or that any electric locomotive is operated, is a separate offense. (Amended by Stats. 1983, Ch. 1092, Sec. 222. Effective September 27, 1983. Operative January 1, 1984, by Sec. 427 of Ch. 1092.) |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:06:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am all in favor of the police departments in CA not going to suicide calls. Send the shrinks in. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:14:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess you and your fellow citizens should address this with your elected officials who passed the law. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:16:58 AM EST
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Shrinks are not going to respond, particularly unescorted by the police Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:30:44 AM EST
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Then no one responds. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:34:40 AM EST
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That's not an option either Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then no one responds. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:40:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell that to some departments in CA. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:44:05 AM EST
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Most likely due to manpower shortages and having to triage calls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Tell that to some departments in CA. More like they dont want the liability of having suicide by cop calls. You didn't see the multi page thread on it? |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:51:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, no. More like they dont want the liability of having suicide by cop calls. You didn't see the multi page thread on it? That might be their rationale at a few agencies in CA, but let's face it, as I said some big city agencies are looking for any excuse to trim the call load. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:52:26 AM EST
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Agencies in general are going to see more liability in not responding to calls regarding people wanting to hurt themselves That might be their rationale at a few agencies in CA, but let's face it, as I said some big city agencies are looking for any excuse to trim the call load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Uh, no. More like they dont want the liability of having suicide by cop calls. You didn't see the multi page thread on it? That might be their rationale at a few agencies in CA, but let's face it, as I said some big city agencies are looking for any excuse to trim the call load. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 6:01:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, apparently CLEOs disagree with you. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 6:05:57 AM EST
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A few CLEOs who fly desks and are risk adverse to anything that could get them named in lawsuits? Not surprising, especially for appointed CLEOs who don't have to directly answer to the voters for their job security Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/9/2019 6:06:21 AM EST
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From the video: Officer Matt Frits remained calm and compassionate during this stop and subsequently received the Police Meritorious Service Award for poise, patience, and professionalism. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 7:29:38 AM EST
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Can a sovereign citizen be deported to their own property and not allowed to leave without applying for a visa?
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Posted: 9/9/2019 9:56:11 AM EST
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Just curious, but would you say the same if confiscation laws were passed? |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 9:56:55 AM EST
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Posted: 9/9/2019 9:57:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a country where the representatives of the people are elected by the people, the people are responsible for the actions of the representatives who they elected. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:00:48 AM EST
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Agencies in general are going to see more liability in not responding to calls regarding people wanting to hurt themselves That might be their rationale at a few agencies in CA, but let's face it, as I said some big city agencies are looking for any excuse to trim the call load. We have states that have legalized assisted suicide. Why would LE care if you just want to harm yourself only? Suicide is popular in the US and getting more popular. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:13:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no liability in deciding not to force a confrontation with someone someone who only wants to harm himself/herself. We have states that have legalized assisted suicide. Why would LE care if you just want to harm yourself only? Suicide is popular in the US and getting more popular. 
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:25:25 AM EST
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In a country where the representatives of the people are elected by the people, the people are responsible for the actions of the representatives who they elected. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:25:53 AM EST
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But they care if you wear your seatbelt?
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Suicide is illegal in many states, btw. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:27:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many states is it a crime? |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:30:18 AM EST
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Feel free to let me know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/9/2019 10:31:49 AM EST
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do they really need the fire dept to bust the window? don't all LEO have a baton thingy? You want something pointed and sharp to get past the temper layer. It does not take all that much force. |
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