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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:27:09 PM EST
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Another cop claimed under oath that the officer in the video had asked to be assigned there so he could get the sovereign citizen |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:28:41 PM EST
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I am curious on what a "good sovereign" is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck "the odds." Sovereign Citizen types are crazy, and can be extremely dangerous. I'm sure it was just a mistake. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:28:42 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:28:46 PM EST
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Quoted: When the judge called his case the idiot said he wasn’t the defendant. Therefore the defendant isn’t present and failed to appear for court so the judge issued a bench warrant for him. The deputy knew who the guy was so he immediate arrested him on the warrant the judge issued merely seconds prior. It’s beautiful. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:29:07 PM EST
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I'm in the wrong business. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:30:09 PM EST
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Here's the bottom line.
SC's will tell you they are not a United States Citizen. If they aren't, then treat them like any other illegal alien. Period. No freeloading: Here's a video on the guy P Barnes lit up -  Idaho Man Rejects U.S. Laws in Radical Trend |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:30:33 PM EST
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I asked that bailiff later what happened. he said, "I had to get it on." 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:30:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of them filed a three trillion dollar lien against all my real and personal property. 
Was that before or after they added the malicious lien statute? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:31:09 PM EST
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I had a drunk one time that had an open container in between his legs, MJ on him, and a pipe on his seat. His car was an absolute POS, he looked like he hadn't showered or changed clothes in a month, and smelled horrible. The guy was all over the road pretty bad and needless to say I put gloves on to handle him. He failed SFST miserably and his car got towed. We took him to the hospital as he consented to a blood draw. After that to jail. I spent a good 3 hours with this guy. Well, I saw him in a random gas station in a different city about a month later while I was off duty. I was like "ah crap..." but he didn't recognize me at all. I mean we locked eyes and he had no clue who I was at all. He was still dirty as hell and reeked like he did that night I arrested him. I'm glad drunks have shitty memory.  People fail to recognize me without a suit or sport coat all the time. I talk to people who not only can't tell what police agency they had called to their house but can't tell me if it was a blue or white car. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:31:20 PM EST
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I ended up settling it for $6 Billion. The joke was on him, though: I paid in worthless FRNs! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in the wrong business. I would have paid him with an elevenity billion note and asked for change. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:32:45 PM EST
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While there is no love lost in my mind between SC and society, it saddens me that freedom loving folks like those here woudl be so gleeful about this. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:33:30 PM EST
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I know a few small town criminal guys who are like "Officer peckerhead I hate that guy I flipped him off at the movies" but I bet 99% of guys can't recognize a random police officer out of uniform. People fail to recognize me without a suit or sport coat all the time. I talk to people who not only can't tell what police agency they had called to their house but can't tell me if it was a blue or white car. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:35:02 PM EST
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While there is no love lost in my mind between SC and society, it saddens me that freedom loving folks like those here woudl be so gleeful about this. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:42:14 PM EST
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Deal with it! These iceholes believe that they are above the law and they make up their own law. In any orderly society there is a balance between freedom and order. Without order there is anarchy. The law creates order. If you hate the rule of law and order, then why stay here? Canada may be more palatable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While there is no love lost in my mind between SC and society, it saddens me that freedom loving folks like those here woudl be so gleeful about this. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:42:15 PM EST
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I wish I could find the old thread about the sovereign citizen cop, ended up getting fired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:44:46 PM EST
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How would such a creature pass a psyche eval? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:46:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look, these people are dumbass of the first order. But understand, there are plenty of people in this country that believe that *you* are an asshole becaue of your gun ownership, and some of these people are in positions of authority. If believing someone is an asshole is sufficient cause for someone going hands on, don't complain if they come for you some day. Talking somebody into it works most of the time, but you very quickly find out which people it doesn't work for. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:47:11 PM EST
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Deal with it! These iceholes believe that they are above the law and they make up their own law. In any orderly society there is a balance between freedom and order. Without order there is anarchy. The law creates order. If you hate the rule of law and order, then why stay here? Canada may be more palatable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While there is no love lost in my mind between SC and society, it saddens me that freedom loving folks like those here woudl be so gleeful about this. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:48:29 PM EST
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He had a warrant out for his arrest for failure to appear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up.  |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:49:13 PM EST
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He had a warrant and resisted Is there an actual warrant for his arrest the instant the judge says there will be one, or does some kind of paperwork need to be done? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:50:46 PM EST
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What do lawyers have to do with this?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:51:44 PM EST
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How would such a creature pass a psyche eval? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:52:01 PM EST
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So what was his justification for attacking him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:52:55 PM EST
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If a black defendant said "I don't answer to my slave name, call me T'Challa" no one would dare say anything. Kooky arguments over whether "that's my real name" don't justify issuing warrants. Lots of Defendants are kooks, it is the wrong business to get into if you are easily triggered by gibberish. 
I don't think I've seen a real sovereign in the flesh. I walked into court one day after one guy had been in before. The judge and attorneys didn't know what was going on. I made the mistake of saying "That's a sovereign citizen" and explained, the judge looked suspicious and asked "How do you know all this?" I said "The Internet..."Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Here the sovereign may quickly run a foul of the conditions of his pre trial release for "failing to appear" in court. They may not like it, but you have to personally appear before the court unless a waiver of appearance is on file. When the "let the record reflect that in case number 18-2333MMMW, the defendant is present with counsel" is then interrupted by the sovereign saying "no he is not" and then a big long protest in the form of using hokey legal arguments to frustrate the court takes place. It really isn't that hard to find your bond revoked or standing in front of the judge for a contempt hearing. The one thing we notice around hear is any counsel that may be retained to represent the defendant either telling the defendant to be quiet and then shutting the hell up and letting the sovereign go on questioning the qualifications of the judge and the court or asking to be removed from the case because the sovereign refuses to understand that they cannot argue a defense on their clients belief in an alternate made up court system under the laws in the state. Lots of Defendants are kooks, it is the wrong business to get into if you are easily triggered by gibberish.
I don't think I've seen a real sovereign in the flesh. I walked into court one day after one guy had been in before. The judge and attorneys didn't know what was going on. I made the mistake of saying "That's a sovereign citizen" and explained, the judge looked suspicious and asked "How do you know all this?" I said "The Internet..."
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:53:08 PM EST
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I didn't see any resistance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:53:30 PM EST
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I had a drunk one time that had an open container in between his legs, MJ on him, and a pipe on his seat. His car was an absolute POS, he looked like he hadn't showered or changed clothes in a month, and smelled horrible. The guy was all over the road pretty bad and needless to say I put gloves on to handle him. He failed SFST miserably and his car got towed. We took him to the hospital as he consented to a blood draw. After that to jail. I spent a good 3 hours with this guy. Well, I saw him in a random gas station in a different city about a month later while I was off duty. I was like "ah crap..." but he didn't recognize me at all. I mean we locked eyes and he had no clue who I was at all. He was still dirty as hell and reeked like he did that night I arrested him. I'm glad drunks have shitty memory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would have been awesome if you were his defense attorney in court. Couple minutes later a co came out. I mostly avoid this stuff but the jail is out in the sticks and he didn't walk there, and if I hadn't told him to leave this CO would have met him so I said "That guy was really drunk" he asked what guy so I explained and he called whoever on his cop radio. Next morning I had a voicemail from some guy who said his buddy recommended me and he had court that morning and he had a dwi "um you don't recognize me?" We took him to the hospital as he consented to a blood draw. After that to jail. I spent a good 3 hours with this guy. Well, I saw him in a random gas station in a different city about a month later while I was off duty. I was like "ah crap..." but he didn't recognize me at all. I mean we locked eyes and he had no clue who I was at all. He was still dirty as hell and reeked like he did that night I arrested him. I'm glad drunks have shitty memory. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:53:42 PM EST
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I’ve had an SC try to file false liens against me before. Try to “fine” me in gold coin and a bunch of other bullshit. They are all fucking retarded and need to me eliminated from society. Just my personal opinion Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:54:27 PM EST
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Generally speaking if you have a criminal history of assault on public safety personnel- which duck dynasty did, and the deputy clearly knew it- you are much quicker to go for a fast cuff and stuff than you are to try and talk him into the cuffs. Talking somebody into it works most of the time, but you very quickly find out which people it doesn't work for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Look, these people are dumbass of the first order. But understand, there are plenty of people in this country that believe that *you* are an asshole becaue of your gun ownership, and some of these people are in positions of authority. If believing someone is an asshole is sufficient cause for someone going hands on, don't complain if they come for you some day. Talking somebody into it works most of the time, but you very quickly find out which people it doesn't work for. Clearly this bailiff was performing a legal arrest. The judge just issued the warrant. But the sovereign citizen was still at the "huh what?" stage. He never was given the opportunity to comply. He didn't resist in any definition of the word that isn't ridiculous. These sovereign citizens are idiots. But being an idiot isn't justification to over react and frankly the commission of a (minor) abuse of state power. Americans used to be very suspect of the state overstepping it's bounds. Lately we seem to be cheerleaders for this sort of thing. Given how unpopular we gun owners are with a lot of people in power you'd think we'd be a bit more cautious about these sort of tactics that are justified on the basis of whether we like the person or not. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:55:35 PM EST
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As of that moment he had an arrest warrant. The deputy didn’t attack him. He moved to place him under arrest and the suspect resisted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:56:29 PM EST
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If you want to ruin a Sovereigns day when you arrest them and they say you have no authority over them as they are a sovereign of the "Aboriginals and Natives of East Punnwantic Tribal Nation", advise them "that's strange that country is not on the mandatory consular notification list from the state department, but you can call them with your call at the jail".
I'm gonna do that next time. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:57:02 PM EST
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It's just you...and the rest of the sovereign citizen nuts in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:57:50 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:06 PM EST
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what an astounding display of hypocrisy and libtard logic and court tyranny. If the guy wasn't the defendant, how could they arrest him there, proving he was present? If that wasn't him, why did they arrest _him_? So, which side of the equation is true? Typical libtrard court logic, adding 2+2 and getting minus 10. Idiocracy is an upgrade from where we are. https://i.imgur.com/uYTvLq0.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When the judge called his case the idiot said he wasn't the defendant. Therefore the defendant isn't present and failed to appear for court so the judge issued a bench warrant for him. The deputy knew who the guy was so he immediate arrested him on the warrant the judge issued merely seconds prior. It's beautiful. Typical libtrard court logic, adding 2+2 and getting minus 10. Idiocracy is an upgrade from where we are. https://i.imgur.com/uYTvLq0.jpg |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:36 PM EST
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So defendant said "I'm not Mr Defendant but I'm here regarding this case" judge issued a warrant and the cops jump on him? I am surprised the judge didn't have more a colloquy with him, seems a pretty extreme reaction. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:41 PM EST
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Fuck "the odds." Sovereign Citizen types are crazy, and can be extremely dangerous. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:51 PM EST
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I’m not the least bit surprised we have a few here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:59:37 PM EST
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Of course you didn't. You didn't want to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He had a warrant and resisted I rewatched it five times. The deputy walks up to him, grabs his wrist, yanks him, then takes him to the ground. In about one second. I saw no resistance, because I don't see any. Please explain why I wouldn't want to see any. I know nothing about this man or this case. All I know is what I saw in the video, which looked alarming.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:00:22 PM EST
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"Huh what?" is resisting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:00:29 PM EST
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But was there any gold fringe on the border of the flag?!?!?!
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:01:05 PM EST
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Appearing before the court isn't just simply being there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:01:47 PM EST
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Are you saying that anyone that has a problem with this is a sovereign citizen? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:02:09 PM EST
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Seems like the bailiff should have informed the sovereign citizen that he was placing him under arrest and to assume his preferred position for cuffing before he immediately went hands on. But I know some here get a freedom boner from seeing agents of the state put criminals in their places so .... whatever. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:03:26 PM EST
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As a result of sovereign bullshit some states have passed laws against junk liens making filing them a felony. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:05:05 PM EST
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So defendant said "I'm not Mr Defendant but I'm here regarding this case" judge issued a warrant and the cops jump on him? I am surprised the judge didn't have more a colloquy with him, seems a pretty extreme reaction. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:06:30 PM EST
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Pulling away from an officer attempting to take you into custody. Where did you get your jail house law degree? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up. So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:07:05 PM EST
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Yes that’s exactly what I said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:08:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Huh what?" is resisting? I'm not going to say it was the tamest courtroom arrest I've ever seen, but unless someone being detained in court goes very quickly and without any delay, they do tend to go in that manner, and several other bailiffs will swarm the room as soon as they can. The frequent fliers know very well that when you are under arrest, you are under arrest, and the vast majority go quietly. Beat the rap but not the ride and all that. And when a judge has just given the order to arrest the man for failing to appear in court, it's hard to be more lawful than that. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:08:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:08:55 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:08:56 PM EST
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I'm going to assume they were quite familiar with this man already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So defendant said "I'm not Mr Defendant but I'm here regarding this case" judge issued a warrant and the cops jump on him? I am surprised the judge didn't have more a colloquy with him, seems a pretty extreme reaction. |
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