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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:10:30 PM EST
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Jerking away is, indeed, resisting. It isn't quite so flagrant as running away or fighting, but the guy was not in the least "surprised" that he was being arrested. I'm not going to say it was the tamest courtroom arrest I've ever seen, but unless someone being detained in court goes very quickly and without any delay, they do tend to go in that manner, and several other bailiffs will swarm the room as soon as they can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:10:40 PM EST
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Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:12:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There no question that Mr. Sovereign Citizen should have been arrested. But don't you think he should have been allowed to comply with the arrest before the bailiff wrestled him to the ground? That bailiff didn't even speak to him before he put his hands on him. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:13:58 PM EST
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Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. But, I don't see how that releases an obligation to inform the guy you're placing him under arrest before you put your hands on him. Would it really have been a problem to tell the guy "I'm placing you under arrest for failure to appear" before putting your hands on him? If at that point he resists, knock yourself out and use all the force necessary to put him in cuffs. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:14:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is jerking away an unexpected reaction to someone that has walked up to you and grabbed you without speaking a word? Given that he was informed there a warrant, stood up, and watched the bailiff walk around the room then to him, I'm not very bothered by this. Honestly, most any time I arrest someone that isn't after signing paperwork in an office setting, the first words I'll tell them are "hands behind your back". The safest thing is to get it over with, and the talking can come after. You have no duty to inform them of why you are arresting them before you cuff them, and I feel positive that they were beyond the pleasantries stage. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:14:48 PM EST
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Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up.  So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. I rest my case. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:15:12 PM EST
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Quoted: There no question that Mr. Sovereign Citizen should have been arrested. But don't you think he should have been allowed to comply with the arrest before the bailiff wrestled him to the ground? That bailiff didn't even speak to him before he put his hands on him. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:15:31 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:15:38 PM EST
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There has probably been prior incidents with this guy that lead to skipping the fore play. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:16:21 PM EST
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up.  |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:18:10 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:18:31 PM EST
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If you listen, it sounds as if the deputy did say "come with me sir" before the fisticuffs, although it is a bit garbled. Given that he was informed there a warrant, stood up, and watched the bailiff walk around the room then to him, I'm not very bothered by this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is jerking away an unexpected reaction to someone that has walked up to you and grabbed you without speaking a word? Given that he was informed there a warrant, stood up, and watched the bailiff walk around the room then to him, I'm not very bothered by this. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:18:40 PM EST
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Of course I have no law degree. Do you? So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up. So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:19:30 PM EST
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He was sitting there in the courtroom when the judge issued his warrant. He even stood up to challenge it. He knew full well what he was being arrested for. I rest my case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up. So you're saying that the bailiff has no duty to inform the guy that he's placing him under arrest? You're fine with a law officer just grabbing him without speaking a word? I have no idea if what the bailiff did was legal or not, and have made no comment on the legality. But it's not how law enforcement should function in a free country. If the guy was posing some threat then sure, do what you've got to do. But there would seem to be a moral (if not legal) obligation to give a suspect that has so far not posed a threat at least the opportunity to comply with an arrest. This suspect (idiot though he may be) wasn't given that opportunity. I rest my case. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:20:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think the idiot understood fully what just happened. And the judge isn't the one grabbing him. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:21:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bailiff does not have to tell him he's under arrest before placing him in handcuffs. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:21:05 PM EST
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I'd bet my car that that is a fact. But, I don't see how that releases an obligation to inform the guy you're placing him under arrest before you put your hands on him. Would it really have been a problem to tell the guy "I'm placing you under arrest for failure to appear" before putting your hands on him? If at that point he resists, knock yourself out and use all the force necessary to put him in cuffs. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:22:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think the idiot understood fully what just happened. And the judge isn't the one grabbing him. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. And again, I would highly suspect that the quick takedown is largely based on prior experience... but I really don't see the bailiff having done anything wrong. FWIW... I pulled two out of court today (I am not a bailiff), and had both in cuffs within about five seconds of them standing up. They both knew why, although they pretended they didn't, but I wasn't telling them shit surrounded by a bunch of other people, and we talked while I took them to the jail. It would also be disruptive to make more of a scene than is necessary in court, although the sovcit's was a small one. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:22:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you got your law degree from? 
I know you are but what am I? Do you even know the point you’re trying to argue? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:22:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know guys that have volunteered, while it is rare, to be assigned to order to show cause and contempt hearings for attorneys. Strangely the audience is made up of mostly attorneys from the state attorneys office, the public defenders office and private practice. I represented an ex cop who got brought in for contempt on his divorce. There were two or three deputies in the courtroom. The judge said "you better do x" and he said "okay but..." and I could see the deputies m closing in with looks in their faces like the cartoon dogs right before they beat up the cat from Tom and Jerry He noticed me kind of shuffling away from him, then noticed the cops kind of meandering towards him and switched to "yup yup no problem" |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:23:07 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:24:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was at Applebee's with a few officers after their training. Some were whispering after ordering drinks, and said we aren't eating here. Paid bill and left for another bar. They had arrested the waitress numerous times and she had spit at them in the past. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:24:45 PM EST
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How would such a creature pass a psyche eval? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:24:55 PM EST
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Lol when they said $25,000 warrant he sure didn't sound too sure of himself all of a sudden
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:25:24 PM EST
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Please read previous thread replies before making broad statements and throwing the label of fool around. Failure to do so can result in looking.....foolish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it just me, or did the deputy just attack a nonviolent person out of the blue? That's fucked up. I apply the label where it is appropriate. Perhaps you want to refrain from make foolish statements in the future. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:26:03 PM EST
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Lol when they said $25,000 warrant he sure didn't sound too sure of himself all of a sudden |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:26:39 PM EST
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Lol when they said $25,000 warrant he sure didn't sound too sure of himself all of a sudden |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:27:47 PM EST
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Well, you just called me a sovereign citizen for having some issue with the way this arrest was performed. That is foolish. I am the exact opposite of an anarchist which is what these people ultimately are. We need laws and you can't simply opt out. But, I do expect law enforcement to function in a reasonable fashion. In the vast scheme of things this isn't a big deal. I have a bigger issues with the cheerleaders than I do the bailiff. I apply the label where it is appropriate. Perhaps you want to refrain from make foolish statements in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:28:05 PM EST
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I know you are but what am I? Do you even know the point you’re trying to argue? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:28:07 PM EST
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I don't think the idiot understood fully what just happened. And the judge isn't the one grabbing him. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:29:10 PM EST
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Well, you just called me a sovereign citizen for having some issue with the way this arrest was performed. That is foolish. I am the exact opposite of an anarchist which is what these people ultimately are. We need laws and you can't simply opt out. But, I do expect law enforcement to function in a reasonable fashion. In the vast scheme of things this isn't a big deal. I have a bigger issues with the cheerleaders than I do the bailiff. I apply the label where it is appropriate. Perhaps you want to refrain from make foolish statements in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:29:52 PM EST
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Has a sovereign citizen ever succeeded in doing more than making himself look like a dipshit in court? Seems like it's always something like
Sovereign-"blah blah, travelling upon the land and not driving, gold fringe and joinder, blah blah" Judge-"Guilty" |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:31:14 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:31:32 PM EST
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Like for divorce and child support contempt? I represented an ex cop who got brought in for contempt on his divorce. There were two or three deputies in the courtroom. The judge said "you better do x" and he said "okay but..." and I could see the deputies m closing in with looks in their faces like the cartoon dogs right before they beat up the cat from Tom and Jerry He noticed me kind of shuffling away from him, then noticed the cops kind of meandering towards him and switched to "yup yup no problem" |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:31:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you just called me a sovereign citizen for having some issue with the way this arrest was performed. That is foolish. I am the exact opposite of an anarchist which is what these people ultimately are. We need laws and you can't simply opt out. But, I do expect law enforcement to function in a reasonable fashion. In the vast scheme of things this isn't a big deal. I have a bigger issues with the cheerleaders than I do the bailiff. I apply the label where it is appropriate. Perhaps you want to refrain from make foolish statements in the future. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:32:09 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:35:19 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:36:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You wound me, truly you do. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:37:17 PM EST
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Is jerking away an unexpected reaction to someone that has walked up to you and grabbed you without speaking a word? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:38:23 PM EST
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Its not about trying to hurt your feelings it is literally laughing at your lack of understanding, logic, and common sense in these matters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:38:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually we see it more for intentionally misleading the court in their capacity as an attorney. *I did have a case where I found out the opposing counsel had been suspended over some weird fake court orders. But that's one of maybe two guys I can think I ran across in 20+ years and both guys from another county I barely knew. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:47:24 PM EST
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Quoted: Is jerking away an unexpected reaction to someone that has walked up to you and grabbed you without speaking a word? Quoted: I don't think the idiot understood fully what just happened. And the judge isn't the one grabbing him. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. At both of these posts. The judge knew the game, deity knew the game, and homeboy sovereign knew the game. The judge issuing the warrant in front of him directly negates the need to give some speech about how he's under arrest. Everyone there knows it. Further, when you yank your arm away, then don't be surprised if forced is used against you. I've arrested a lot of people with absolutely zero fan fare because even though they've been surprised, they know what happens if they resist.This is is not a difficult, complex idea. Youre just shitting on police in a cop thread, per usual. It's your favorite game! |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:47:33 PM EST
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Generally speaking if you have a criminal history of assault on public safety personnel- which duck dynasty did, and the deputy clearly knew it- you are much quicker to go for a fast cuff and stuff than you are to try and talk him into the cuffs. Talking somebody into it works most of the time, but you very quickly find out which people it doesn't work for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Look, these people are dumbass of the first order. But understand, there are plenty of people in this country that believe that *you* are an asshole becaue of your gun ownership, and some of these people are in positions of authority. If believing someone is an asshole is sufficient cause for someone going hands on, don't complain if they come for you some day. Talking somebody into it works most of the time, but you very quickly find out which people it doesn't work for. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:47:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, by all means point out my lack of understanding, logic, common sense, etc. Your emoji conveyed so little information. 1) You stated that the deputy did not inform he was under arrest. For the first part, that's not required in most if any cases, much less this one. Second, it sounds like he did, at 48 seconds in the video, although that could be the sovcit following up, as it is hard to tell from audio quality. Regardless, he had around 5-6 seconds from arrest warrant to contact, stood up, and questioned the judge either once or twice (I'm torn on if the vocalization at 0:48 is the guy or the deputy). 2) he has a history of violence towards public safety, and is known to the court for the same. 3) the arrest did not show excessive force, and you can very reasonably charge someone for resisting if they do not cooperate with handcuffing... and it is obvious that he did not immediately cooperate, nor did he begin cooperating in a reasonable timeframe. Honestly man it looked like a pretty normal arrest to me, you would probably lose your shit if you saw what a "bad" one was like, or how you nab someone you think might run or fight. Shit, you ever see someone get mouthy in a courtroom? I've seen bailiff dogpiles, and with all due respect to bailiffs, bailiffs aren't normally chosen because they are fit and trim. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:49:52 PM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:50:47 PM EST
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You must be in a big city or something, I've never heard of that* *I did have a case where I found out the opposing counsel had been suspended over some weird fake court orders. But that's one of maybe two guys I can think I ran across in 20+ years and both guys from another county I barely knew. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've worked a number of cases in @floridacop area and always try ro get his assistance. I can tell you this, Panama City is full of odd ball people. But he is a good cop and I'm glad to know I can depend on him if need be. Besides, he knows the area. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:52:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if the officer had said, "I'm placing you under arrest" that you might indeed make a case that was active resisting. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:55:38 PM EST
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I think if the officer had said, "I'm placing you under arrest" that you might indeed make a case that was active resisting. I don't think someone's instinctual reaction to pull their arm back after someone grabbed it without announcing they are making an arrest constitutes active resistance. This all happened very fast and in my opinion this person wasn't given a reasonable opportunity to comply. I understand that reasonable people can disagree on this, but apparently some here believe that any disagreement with their point of view is unreasonable. I think law enforcement should treat citizens with a certain amount of respect until given a reason to do otherwise. This guy is an idiot, a moron, and a fool. But even at that I think he should have clearly been informed that he was being placed under arrest before hands were placed on him. Apparently that opinion is just beyond the pale around here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: "Huh what?" is resisting? I'm not going to say it was the tamest courtroom arrest I've ever seen, but unless someone being detained in court goes very quickly and without any delay, they do tend to go in that manner, and several other bailiffs will swarm the room as soon as they can. Passive Resisting is walking away or playing limp. I don't think someone's instinctual reaction to pull their arm back after someone grabbed it without announcing they are making an arrest constitutes active resistance. This all happened very fast and in my opinion this person wasn't given a reasonable opportunity to comply. I understand that reasonable people can disagree on this, but apparently some here believe that any disagreement with their point of view is unreasonable. I think law enforcement should treat citizens with a certain amount of respect until given a reason to do otherwise. This guy is an idiot, a moron, and a fool. But even at that I think he should have clearly been informed that he was being placed under arrest before hands were placed on him. Apparently that opinion is just beyond the pale around here. The Judge flat out told him he has a warrant for arrest. When I arresy folks with felony warrants that I file in the courts. I don't inform the suspects at 3am when the door gets slammed on. I simply get them out, cuff them, and stuff them. They can read the probable cause report at the jail. I have a scene to secure and an arrest to make. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:59:43 PM EST
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At both of these posts. The judge knew the game, deity knew the game, and homeboy sovereign knew the game. The judge issuing the warrant in front of him directly negates the need to give some speech about how he's under arrest. Everyone there knows it. Further, when you yank your arm away, then don't be surprised if forced is used against you. I've arrested a lot of people with absolutely zero fan fare because even though they've been surprised, they know what happens if they resist.This is is not a difficult, complex idea. Youre just shitting on police in a cop thread, per usual. It's your favorite game! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is jerking away an unexpected reaction to someone that has walked up to you and grabbed you without speaking a word? Quoted: I don't think the idiot understood fully what just happened. And the judge isn't the one grabbing him. Look I get it. No one likes this guy. I don't like him either. I think he's an idiot and a part of me did chuckle when his idiocy came home to roost. But I don't want to see law enforcement act inappropriately just because we don't like this asshole. At both of these posts. The judge knew the game, deity knew the game, and homeboy sovereign knew the game. The judge issuing the warrant in front of him directly negates the need to give some speech about how he's under arrest. Everyone there knows it. Further, when you yank your arm away, then don't be surprised if forced is used against you. I've arrested a lot of people with absolutely zero fan fare because even though they've been surprised, they know what happens if they resist.This is is not a difficult, complex idea. Youre just shitting on police in a cop thread, per usual. It's your favorite game! The bailiff did seems to be gunning for this guy. I certainly understand his feeling. I'm sure that they are fed up to the eyeballs with this asshole. But, I don't like to see law enforcement using any more than the required amount of force and this just didn't seem required. If you can make the argument that that use of force was *required* then maybe I'm wrong. This really isn't a huge deal in the vast scheme of things. The sovereign citizen wasn't really harmed. I'm just very cautious about the way the state treats citizens. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:02:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if the officer had said, "I'm placing you under arrest" that you might indeed make a case that was active resisting. I don't think someone's instinctual reaction to pull their arm back after someone grabbed it without announcing they are making an arrest constitutes active resistance. This all happened very fast and in my opinion this person wasn't given a reasonable opportunity to comply. I understand that reasonable people can disagree on this, but apparently some here believe that any disagreement with their point of view is unreasonable. I think law enforcement should treat citizens with a certain amount of respect until given a reason to do otherwise. This guy is an idiot, a moron, and a fool. But even at that I think he should have clearly been informed that he was being placed under arrest before hands were placed on him. Apparently that opinion is just beyond the pale around here. The dipshit you are white knighting for KNEW he was under arrest clearly from the video. Everything after that was resisting. Period. |
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