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RRA was truly in disbelief. When I spoke to them they were pretty much going "WTF  the lobbying group did WHAT?!?!?"
I honestly believe the RRA might have been played in this. so the" those arent my pants" card would work on you wouldnt it. I dont believe them and you thinking thats a great reason for it to all be okay makes me dissapointed in you. |
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TTAG has a new article up http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-rock-river-illinois-sell-picking-pieces/ Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces "This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. IFMA’s Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying group’s opposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasn’t Senator Harmon’s first legislative rodeo. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmon happily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he could cobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Keller dropped IFMA’s opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Sure enough, the bill passed the Senate by a single vote." So, Keller testified back in March regarding the carve out, and RRA is claiming they were blindsided by something that was taking place by thier own lobbyist over a month ago? This didn't all just go down on Thursday, |
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From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator:
RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA |
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When are you people going to learn...he's not wrong. How many Life members couldn't be bothered to return their forms? How many that did vote voted for the new bullshit change in rules because the NRA said to do it? How many members at the show voted for the NY fudd because the NRA told them to do so? |
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From the article: "This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. IFMA’s Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying group’s opposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasn’t Senator Harmon’s first legislative rodeo. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmon happily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he could cobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Keller dropped IFMA’s opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Sure enough, the bill passed the Senate by a single vote." So, Keller testified back in March regarding the carve out, and RRA is claiming they were blindsided by something that was taking place by thier own lobbyist over a month ago? This didn't all just go down on Thursday, Quoted:
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TTAG has a new article up http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-rock-river-illinois-sell-picking-pieces/ Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces "This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. IFMA’s Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying group’s opposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasn’t Senator Harmon’s first legislative rodeo. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmon happily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he could cobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Keller dropped IFMA’s opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Sure enough, the bill passed the Senate by a single vote." So, Keller testified back in March regarding the carve out, and RRA is claiming they were blindsided by something that was taking place by thier own lobbyist over a month ago? This didn't all just go down on Thursday, Quoted:
From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator: RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA |
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You mean kinda like the majority of NRA members? They donate and don't check up on what they do. Maybe they voted for who they wanted ? Just because you don't agree? |
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How do you know this? Maybe they are informed and wanted the changes? Maybe they voted for who they wanted ? Just because you don't agree? |
| This is a very short sighted view by SA and RRI. They don't sell directly to their customers, and this law will drive their end of chain retailers out of business, leaving them to wither on the vine. This would be bad for business even if their customer base wasn't pissed off. Now they lose both their ability to sell in an entire populous state (no retailers) and piss off potential customers in the rest of the country. |
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TTAG has a new article up http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-rock-river-illinois-sell-picking-pieces/ Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces "This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. IFMA’s Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying group’s opposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasn’t Senator Harmon’s first legislative rodeo. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmon happily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he could cobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Keller dropped IFMA’s opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Sure enough, the bill passed the Senate by a single vote." So, Keller testified back in March regarding the carve out, and RRA is claiming they were blindsided by something that was taking place by thier own lobbyist over a month ago? This didn't all just go down on Thursday, Quoted:
From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator: RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA 
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From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator: RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA RRA managed not to get fragged by how they handled the SAFE Act, which should have brought more heat. They may have played stickball with a hand grenade too many times. If a gun maker pays a lobbyist tens of thousands of dollars and lets him speak for them in gun legislation, then they should keep him on leash. How many bills are rolling through the process in IL that would affect manufacturers? At a minimum, this is a very laissez-faire attitude to fighting antigun legislation. |
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From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator: RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA |
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Springfield Introduces Commemorative Model Handgun (found on Illinois Carry forum) https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p261x260/18157539_10158844506895727_4816065269201933488_n.jpg?oh=83271460bbbd0d040d192f31fb3384a1&oe=598D8C94 |
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From the RRA forum message from RRAModerator: RRA's owner is at NRAAM in Atlanta, where he is meeting with a number of people about this. While many of the necessary people are in Atlanta, some are not which is complicating things. RRA has been opposed to this bill (and earlier bills prior to it for more than a decade) and is still in 100% opposition to it. Both our exemption and the change in our lobbyist's position from "opposed" to "no position" were surprises to us. We found out after many of you, and have been trying to make sense of it since. A statement will be forthcoming as soon as it is possible to make one that is accurate and complete. It may still come out today. Thank you all for your consideration and to the many who have been willing to give us the benefit of the doubt. Steve/RRA |
For anyone still in the dark on this, here is a good explanation of whats going on....
 Springfield Armory Doesn't Care About your Rights! (SB-1657, Illinois & IFMA) |
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The likelihood of this passing the house and the governor is slim to none - why they chose to enter the arena is anyone's guess at this point. Still will leaves a scar. I don't think this will buff out. |
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Never liked "Springfield Armory", using the name of a famous US arsenal with a long and proud history to sell their Croatian and Brazilian pistols. Slime balls from the beginning.
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Never liked "Springfield Armory", using the name of a famous US arsenal with a long and proud history to sell their Croatian and Brazilian pistols. Slime balls from the beginning. Also not surprised by this, I hail from northern IL and the fudd mindset is very deep rooted in that part of the state. Lots of gun owners and dealers who support FOID, AWB, magazine bans, etc. |
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http://i.imgur.com/GyfMyzv.jpg Spoke with Justin Pertrick today. I asked and went over in detail what I knew. He was polite and respectful. But basically the official line from him was "No Comment". 
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RRA was truly in disbelief. When I spoke to them they were pretty much going "WTF the lobbying group did WHAT?!?!?"
I honestly believe the RRA might have been played in this. She made plenty of comment with that statement. Reese KNOWS. Reese should have prepped a statement. But he didn't have one, hand was in the cookie jar and everybody got a polaroid of it. |
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How do you know this? Maybe they are informed and wanted the changes? Maybe they voted for who they wanted ? Just because you don't agree? 
I voted and voted no to the by-law change. YMMV How many of you NeverNRAers are actual voting members? You can't do dick if you can't vote. |
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LOL. The NRA won't put speak out against random NRA A rated politicians to pass pro gun bills. You're smoking rock if you think they're going to speak out against big time paying members of the NRA. Quoted:
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There's another indisputable fact circa 2017. You're either with us or you're against us when it comes to politics. The days of compromise or neutrality are over for the foreseeable future. For the next 4 years we have to be 100% balls to the wall on the attack when it comes to pro-2nd politics. You either get on board the bus or you get run over by it. Period. |
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The likelihood of this passing the house and the governor is slim to none - why they chose to enter the arena is anyone's guess at this point. |
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Become a voting member and change it. |