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I'd like to see all these same people, supporting Storm Front. Also defend an ANTIFA site getting taken down. In fact, people laughed their asses off at DU being knocked offline by DNS attack. Nobody cried about DU's first amendment rights that hackers were denying them. View Quote |
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I don't think it is reasonable to assume nefarious intent on the LACK of action to override what is almost assuredly an entirely automated process with calculated intervals. After 60 days have passed, sure. Then someone has to have taken specific action to override those same automatic tasks to keep them from doing what they do, and transferring the domain. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only possible justification given is to prevent domain hijacking, which is bunk. It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it. Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here. After 60 days have passed, sure. Then someone has to have taken specific action to override those same automatic tasks to keep them from doing what they do, and transferring the domain. 95% of the time they're evil on purpose, the remaining 5% they're evil on accident. |
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1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront. 2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely. Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion. Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance. The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized. 2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. |
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The only possible justification given is to prevent domain hijacking, which is bunk. It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it. Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped. Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166 If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible. So the site still exists but DNS isn't routing to it. Who controls DNS again? ICANN does. ICANN is the one who is denying the transfer, so they've been delisted by current registrar and ICANN won't let them move to a new one. Please note that you may not transfer your domain name to a new registrar within the first 60 days after initial registration, or the first 60 days after a transfer. Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer. and is it not able to be waived? https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-holder-faqs-2012-02-25-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/policy-2012-03-07-en It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it. Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here. Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on it. Right after ICANN fixes grandma's internet problem/connection. -------------- I'm just noting this is a hypothetical/educated guess, still have no idea what's really going on. |
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One is an act of vandalism by a small group of private individuals (DDS) while the other is censorship with the blessing of authority (corporate policy/legal guidelines/liability clauses etc). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'd like to see all these same people, supporting Storm Front. Also defend an ANTIFA site getting taken down. In fact, people laughed their asses off at DU being knocked offline by DNS attack. Nobody cried about DU's first amendment rights that hackers were denying them. Domain names just identify an IP address. Could be wrong about what's happening though. ----------------- Quoted:
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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped. Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166 If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible. So the site still exists but DNS isn't routing to it. |
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It becomes a really interesting question when all forms of public discourse are controlled by private entities. Considering the high barriers to entry to market like internet searches, do anti-trust laws begin to apply? Three companies control the major platforms people use to access the internet - microsoft, apple and google. Do we simply give them the ability to control who gets on and what they do when they get there? |
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Dailystormer =/= stormfront, AFAIK. Still not seeing anything about ICANN, but it really is a minor point of disagreement when we largely agree about not kicking people off the internet View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bro, serious? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/14/godaddy-bans-neo-nazi-site-daily-stormer-for-disparaging-woman-killed-at-charlottesville-rally/?utm_term=.79b13124f4a7 Google extradited it and burned it. Look at whois... look up the terms of transfer from just godaddy and ICANN, those two can hold a site in purgatory 10 daya at a time, over and over. In fact it looks like there was another "failed transfer" Yesterday, which would.have been 10 days since their transfer app would have been in.. they can keep delaying it.. and we haven't even mentioned Googles powers (not that they aren't pulling the levers behind the scenes) But hey its free market tho, right? Still not seeing anything about ICANN, but it really is a minor point of disagreement when we largely agree about not kicking people off the internet |
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Imagine if the phone company cut off service to your house because you are a Trump supporter. This is no different. Right now they are going for the low-hanging fruit (IE the couple dozen goofballs on Stormfront) but that will quickly change. The fact that almost all Internet access in this country is through just 2-3 companies makes it especially dangerous. |
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https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/text-2012-02-25-en Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lots of people in this thread have never tried to transfer a domain twice in 30 days Please note that you may not transfer your domain name to a new registrar within the first 60 days after initial registration, or the first 60 days after a transfer. Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer. Could be wrong, but it's easy to be cynical. And for the record I never go to that site, I think I ended up there once on a Google search and went |
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1. Yes we do. 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely. Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion. Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance. The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized. 2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. |
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server. How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server. How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes? View Quote |
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice... barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution. That's just leftist double think bullshit. Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it. |
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You really suggesting Stormfront is the website hill you want to battle and die for? View Quote Maybe this is the one to fight over, then again I think we should all wait until it personally effects us. That way we will win the fight for sure. |
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He gives out warning to people for saying ANTIFA deserves helicopter rides. Ask me how I know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely. Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion. Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance. The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized. 2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. |
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Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely. Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion. Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance. The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized. 2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. |
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ISPs are private companies. You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution. That's just leftist double think bullshit. Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it. View Quote Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person. |
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Yes, in fact something is stopping them. RTFT. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server. How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes? RTFT. Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct? Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter. Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain |
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Man, some of you guys don't see the nuance here. This is not black and white.
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming.
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Actually it does, if you shut down Antifa or the Communist Party USA websites that is exactly what the same people who are punching people in the face would be screaming. Or just look at what people who got made when President Trump blocked them from his twitterfeed scream and are trying to get a court to stop him from blocking them, from his personal twitter account. View Quote |
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming. View Quote Totalitarian tolerance... |
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1. Yes we do. 2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought! Unreal that our site staff feels this way. View Quote |
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You don't know how the internet works. Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ISPs are private companies. You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution. That's just leftist double think bullshit. Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it. Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person. It's either a utility or it isn't, you Commies need to pick one. |
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Anyone who doesn't think that the SJW thought police won't eventually come after sites like ARFcom is a fool. We are all the same to them.
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No, it's not. Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct? Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter. Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server. How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes? RTFT. Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct? Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter. Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain They could find another registrar today and it makes no difference, they can't get the DNS updated anyway. 99% of the population isn't savvy enough to modify fucking hosts files and all that shit, if they can't find it with a simple search it's effectively taken offline. |
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming. View Quote There are a bunch of leftists who know where this leads and that's exactly where they want it to go. They feign ignorance because it's less objectionable than saying they want anti-left opinions silenced. |
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ISPs are private companies. You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution. That's just leftist double think bullshit. Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice... barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution. That's just leftist double think bullshit. Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it. |
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I want to point out a few things for clarity and to help with this discussion:
1) This is not about SF hosting. They can hook up to their cable modem at home and host their website. It's about routing to it through DNS. Currently that is the critical piece of the puzzle. DNS is like the phone book. You type in a name versus the IP address. This is critical because even in today's hosting world, servers can have dynamic IPs. Still doesnt make sense? Ok so new ARFCOM hosting gives us random IPs per server as we put them up (and take them down). We have an outside IP to route traffic through, but old days was 1 static IP per server. So if you don't have a constant name to go to (AR15.COM) then it's about knowing the IP to the server. 2) ICANN is responsible for names. It used to be government run because we built the internet and owned it. Obama gave it to the world because not being government meant no more restrictions on how they could act. This was a step towards shutting down those who have different or "harmfull" opinions and voices. The mere fact that it has been only about 2 years? (3?) and we are seeing this unfold is crazy. There may be some rules in place (system rules) which are blocking another transfer attempt for their domain, but a failure/rejection to transfer is not a transfer and should not be subject to the hold on transferring. So in short, we could be led to believe they have been hijacked when indeed it's just horrid luck of being caught in a technical rule because of transfer rejections. These company's have the right to reject transfer to them, I wont argue that, but the lock down is wrong and if it was a technicality, should be fixed so that in the future this doesnt happen to others. 3) As the ARFCOM turns. I try to have plans within plans within plans for our survival. By this I mean we will find a way to exist as a site. It may be we move to the dark side, it may be we run the site from the corner of the net with a satellite hijack shitty connection. WE WILL find a way to keep people talking. Even if I die tomorrow, someone else will have copies to the files and be able to bring it to life. That does not mean every plan can't be hit at once and snuff the life out of this place, but we have planned for the worst since NY went full commie and we high tailed to Texas. 4) The net is more complex than you think. Even if this site was up and running and hosted, states/companies could filter it out and block your access. The internet is a bunch of tubes, tubes that need to go through states and connecting points owned by enemies. If they are allowed to redirect or block traffic to things you care about, that's entirely in their hands. Al Gore invented it and he can damn well do with it as he wishes! 5) Freedom of speech cannot exist if we turn our heads when it's someone or something we detest. It's all or nothing. DU, ARFCOM, STORMFRONT, ANTIFA, NFL, NASA, SPACEX, RECIPE WEBSITES are all the same. Voices which should never be silenced. It's one thing to call for the killing of folks (that specific thing should be punished) and it's another to not allow them to speak at all. If we can silence one, we can silence any. To show appreciation for a silenced voice is to root for your own voice to be removed. 6) The ALT-LEFT labels anyone who opposes them as the most vile and evil things they can for a reason. ANTIFA is anti facism right? So how is it they employ facism to fight so called "facism"? The key is to rile up your side with cries of "ASSAULT WEAPONS", versus using the truth. In the end "semi automatic weapon" is still scary to some, but not as bad as "ASSAULT WEAPONS!" So now anyone who isn't found to be leftist enough, including many middle road leftists, are lumped into the pile of enemies who are Nazi's, Racists, and Sexists. It's no longer enough for us to defend everyone's rights, as most of us here would do, it's now about survival when they come for you bit by bit. Like it or not, you are a sexist racist nazi to many folks on the left. Since scare tactics work to gather up the sheep, that's what they are doing. These sheep are allowing wolves in their midsts, to eliminate all other wolves. This ensures that when they are the only ones standing, they can have their way. Most of us value freedom and want the constitution to apply to every citizen. We dont want to silence the left, the alt-left, or the alt-right. We see a land where our forefathers died to create a beacon of hope and liberty for all. It's just becoming more obvious that we are the last of those who believe this anymore. Your average Joe no longer cares. They just want their kids to not ride the bench at school, get an A like everyone else, take the same "advanced" classes as everyone else, get free college to put them on par with everyone else, and have the same job and pay as everyone else, regardless of them earning it. 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Getting a server is easy, hell Hillary had her own one. They can have it set up in the basement of a house in New York and sit around in a circle connecting to it directly. Getting the server connected to the internet is another thing all together, that is the issue. View Quote |
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Even after more than a decade on this board, I am surprised at Posters who enter a multi-page thread and post without reading.
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At the very least the domain has been shut down for 60 days due to ICANN's asinine transfer policy. They could find another registrar today and it makes no difference, they can't get the DNS updated anyway. 99% of the population isn't savvy enough to modify fucking hosts files and all that shit, if they can't find it with a simple search it's effectively taken offline. View Quote Their site will be up soon.... they've been down before because of stuff like this. Fyi their Dallas-based host hasn't kicked them off and Google still lists them. |
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This is the point. Their name provider is freezing them out of DNS records and not allowing them access to it. It may be a technicality or it may be intentional. As of right now, everything points to it being intentional, including what involved parties have said about it. View Quote Do you know what kicked it off? It's not like you agree to service stormfront and then on a whim turn the service off. These days just the threat of legal action against a private company is probably enough. I got warnings via Twitter, from some activists, for my site because Google served some of my ads on a "hate" site (not even close to a hate site of course.) |
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They'll have a contingency... a lawyer will write a letter and the domain will be allowed to move. Or something like that. Do you know what kicked it off? It's not like you agree to service stormfront and then on a whim turn the service off. These days just the threat of legal action against a private company is probably enough. I got warnings via Twitter, from some activists, for my site because Google served some of my ads on a "hate" site (not even close to a hate site of course.) View Quote This is the future of the internet and why 2/3 years ago ICANN was moved out of the government owned space. With net neutrality came the ability to censor and control the internet. Everyone said, it would never happen and here is the first real shot across our bow. Maybe they think since most people hate this fringe group right now it will be ignored, but it definitely has all the key internet groups paying attention. |
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It's still funny people cheer and praise about DU getting knocked offline.
But when it's Stormfront....." Omgz, 1st amendment rights!!!!!!" That is pretty ironic. Democrat = Evil who we laugh at when their shit goes down. Nazi = Tragic heroes. While I disagree with Democrats on many things. Democrats are not scum of the Earth, that Nazis are. |
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