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I want to point out a few things for clarity and to help with this discussion:

1) This is not about SF hosting. They can hook up to their cable modem at home and host their website. It's about routing to it through DNS. Currently that is the critical piece of the puzzle. DNS is like the phone book. You type in a name versus the IP address. This is critical because even in today's hosting world, servers can have dynamic IPs. Still doesnt make sense? Ok so new ARFCOM hosting gives us random IPs per server as we put them up (and take them down). We have an outside IP to route traffic through, but old days was 1 static IP per server. So if you don't have a constant name to go to (AR15.COM) then it's about knowing the IP to the server.

2) ICANN is responsible for names. It used to be government run because we built the internet and owned it. Obama gave it to the world because not being government meant no more restrictions on how they could act. This was a step towards shutting down those who have different or "harmfull" opinions and voices. The mere fact that it has been only about 2 years? (3?) and we are seeing this unfold is crazy. There may be some rules in place (system rules) which are blocking another transfer attempt for their domain, but a failure/rejection to transfer is not a transfer and should not be subject to the hold on transferring. So in short, we could be led to believe they have been hijacked when indeed it's just horrid luck of being caught in a technical rule because of transfer rejections. These company's have the right to reject transfer to them, I wont argue that, but the lock down is wrong and if it was a technicality, should be fixed so that in the future this doesnt happen to others.

3) As the ARFCOM turns. I try to have plans within plans within plans for our survival. By this I mean we will find a way to exist as a site. It may be we move to the dark side, it may be we run the site from the corner of the net with a satellite hijack shitty connection. WE WILL find a way to keep people talking. Even if I die tomorrow, someone else will have copies to the files and be able to bring it to life. That does not mean every plan can't be hit at once and snuff the life out of this place, but we have planned for the worst since NY went full commie and we high tailed to Texas.

4) The net is more complex than you think. Even if this site was up and running and hosted, states/companies could filter it out and block your access. The internet is a bunch of tubes, tubes that need to go through states and connecting points owned by enemies. If they are allowed to redirect or block traffic to things you care about, that's entirely in their hands. Al Gore invented it and he can damn well do with it as he wishes!

5) Freedom of speech cannot exist if we turn our heads when it's someone or something we detest. It's all or nothing. DU, ARFCOM, STORMFRONT, ANTIFA, NFL, NASA, SPACEX, RECIPE WEBSITES are all the same. Voices which should never be silenced. It's one thing to call for the killing of folks (that specific thing should be punished) and it's another to not allow them to speak at all. If we can silence one, we can silence any. To show appreciation for a silenced voice is to root for your own voice to be removed.

6) The ALT-LEFT labels anyone who opposes them as the most vile and evil things they can for a reason. ANTIFA is anti facism right? So how is it they employ facism to fight so called "facism"? The key is to rile up your side with cries of "ASSAULT WEAPONS", versus using the truth. In the end "semi automatic weapon" is still scary to some, but not as bad as "ASSAULT WEAPONS!" So now anyone who isn't found to be leftist enough, including many middle road leftists, are lumped into the pile of enemies who are Nazi's, Racists, and Sexists.

It's no longer enough for us to defend everyone's rights, as most of us here would do, it's now about survival when they come for you bit by bit. Like it or not, you are a sexist racist nazi to many folks on the left. Since scare tactics work to gather up the sheep, that's what they are doing. These sheep are allowing wolves in their midsts, to eliminate all other wolves. This ensures that when they are the only ones standing, they can have their way.

Most of us value freedom and want the constitution to apply to every citizen. We dont want to silence the left, the alt-left, or the alt-right. We see a land where our forefathers died to create a beacon of hope and liberty for all. It's just becoming more obvious that we are the last of those who believe this anymore. Your average Joe no longer cares. They just want their kids to not ride the bench at school, get an A like everyone else, take the same "advanced" classes as everyone else, get free college to put them on par with everyone else, and have the same job and pay as everyone else, regardless of them earning it. It's time to collect on the participation trophy of life and if not, then I will use facist tactics to silence you, all the while calling you a facist and symbol of evil.

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It's not that simple. ICANN used to be government entity in Cali which was responsible for the entire world wide internet. In short, we controlled the internet since we created it. When they pushed Net Neutrality, they put in to free ICANN from being a government run entity and Obama handed out keys to the world community. Now it's a "private" non-profit entity (I assume they kept non-profit status) responsible for the same thing. So again, it could come down to a technical flagging which is causing their lock down, but with the players involved, the timing involved, and the politics of the day, it looks more and more like they did this on purpose to freeze them out. Even if they allow them back in a few months and call it an "oops," it still looks intentional. While many of the hardcore net guys (4chan, anonymous, etc) disagree on good and evil causes, the freedom of the net is universally protected. All of these groups feel information and freedom are key and this does not sit well with them. It's an ugly situation and even if it was not intention and a true "technicality", it has brought all our fears to the forefront.

This is the future of the internet and why 2/3 years ago ICANN was moved out of the government owned space. With net neutrality came the ability to censor and control the internet. Everyone said, it would never happen and here is the first real shot across our bow. Maybe they think since most people hate this fringe group right now it will be ignored, but it definitely has all the key internet groups paying attention.

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It's still funny people cheer and praise about DU getting knocked offline.

But when it's Stormfront....." Omgz, 1st amendment rights!!!!!!"

That is pretty ironic. Democrat = Evil who we laugh at when their shit goes down. Nazi = Tragic heroes.

While I disagree with Democrats on many things. Democrats are not scum of the Earth, that Nazis are.

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I want to point out a few things for clarity and to help with this discussion:

1) This is not about SF hosting. They can hook up to their cable modem at home and host their website. It's about routing to it through DNS. Currently that is the critical piece of the puzzle. DNS is like the phone book. You type in a name versus the IP address. This is critical because even in today's hosting world, servers can have dynamic IPs. Still doesnt make sense? Ok so new ARFCOM hosting gives us random IPs per server as we put them up (and take them down). We have an outside IP to route traffic through, but old days was 1 static IP per server. So if you don't have a constant name to go to (AR15.COM) then it's about knowing the IP to the server.

2) ICANN is responsible for names. It used to be government run because we built the internet and owned it. Obama gave it to the world because not being government meant no more restrictions on how they could act. This was a step towards shutting down those who have different or "harmfull" opinions and voices. The mere fact that it has been only about 2 years? (3?) and we are seeing this unfold is crazy. There may be some rules in place (system rules) which are blocking another transfer attempt for their domain, but a failure/rejection to transfer is not a transfer and should not be subject to the hold on transferring. So in short, we could be led to believe they have been hijacked when indeed it's just horrid luck of being caught in a technical rule because of transfer rejections. These company's have the right to reject transfer to them, I wont argue that, but the lock down is wrong and if it was a technicality, should be fixed so that in the future this doesnt happen to others.

3) As the ARFCOM turns. I try to have plans within plans within plans for our survival. By this I mean we will find a way to exist as a site. It may be we move to the dark side, it may be we run the site from the corner of the net with a satellite hijack shitty connection. WE WILL find a way to keep people talking. Even if I die tomorrow, someone else will have copies to the files and be able to bring it to life. That does not mean every plan can't be hit at once and snuff the life out of this place, but we have planned for the worst since NY went full commie and we high tailed to Texas.

4) The net is more complex than you think. Even if this site was up and running and hosted, states/companies could filter it out and block your access. The internet is a bunch of tubes, tubes that need to go through states and connecting points owned by enemies. If they are allowed to redirect or block traffic to things you care about, that's entirely in their hands. Al Gore invented it and he can damn well do with it as he wishes!

5) Freedom of speech cannot exist if we turn our heads when it's someone or something we detest. It's all or nothing. DU, ARFCOM, STORMFRONT, ANTIFA, NFL, NASA, SPACEX, RECIPE WEBSITES are all the same. Voices which should never be silenced. It's one thing to call for the killing of folks (that specific thing should be punished) and it's another to not allow them to speak at all. If we can silence one, we can silence any. To show appreciation for a silenced voice is to root for your own voice to be removed.

6) The ALT-LEFT labels anyone who opposes them as the most vile and evil things they can for a reason. ANTIFA is anti facism right? So how is it they employ facism to fight so called "facism"? The key is to rile up your side with cries of "ASSAULT WEAPONS", versus using the truth. In the end "semi automatic weapon" is still scary to some, but not as bad as "ASSAULT WEAPONS!" So now anyone who isn't found to be leftist enough, including many middle road leftists, are lumped into the pile of enemies who are Nazi's, Racists, and Sexists.

It's no longer enough for us to defend everyone's rights, as most of us here would do, it's now about survival when they come for you bit by bit. Like it or not, you are a sexist racist nazi to many folks on the left. Since scare tactics work to gather up the sheep, that's what they are doing. These sheep are allowing wolves in their midsts, to eliminate all other wolves. This ensures that when they are the only ones standing, they can have their way.

Most of us value freedom and want the constitution to apply to every citizen. We dont want to silence the left, the alt-left, or the alt-right. We see a land where our forefathers died to create a beacon of hope and liberty for all. It's just becoming more obvious that we are the last of those who believe this anymore. Your average Joe no longer cares. They just want their kids to not ride the bench at school, get an A like everyone else, take the same "advanced" classes as everyone else, get free college to put them on par with everyone else, and have the same job and pay as everyone else, regardless of them earning it. It's time to collect on the participation trophy of life and if not, then I will use facist tactics to silence you, all the while calling you a facist and symbol of evil.

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I'd rather ICANN wasn't run by the government. IIRC it's been run by many people from different countries for years anyway, this threat of moving it outside of government control has been overblown. And you could just have easily had the Feds decide what they wanted you to see if it went the other way.

SF has had many problems in the past. It will come back online this time.

But the Internet was so much cooler 20 years ago when no one gave a shit.

There may be some rules in place (system rules) which are blocking another transfer attempt for their domain, but a failure/rejection to transfer is not a transfer and should not be subject to the hold on transferring. So in short, we could be led to believe they have been hijacked when indeed it's just horrid luck of being caught in a technical rule because of transfer rejections. These company's have the right to reject transfer to them, I wont argue that, but the lock down is wrong and if it was a technicality, should be fixed so that in the future this doesnt happen to others.

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No one has called the Nazis heroes, that's a BS lefty straw man. People are pissed because this is part the ongoing war that the left is waging to silence any critical opinions online.

Also, Democrats are just the public face of the neo-communists, they are in fact the scum of the Earth.

TDS seems to have rotted your brain.

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Their company, their rules. Same as when a bakery doesn't want to bake a gay wedding cake they should be able to deny service.

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Bull. Having grown up in an ALL Democrat family. And being a convert since 2001. Democrats just trust government alittle more than conservatives.

Just because they are Left, doesn't mean they are Pro-Communist.

This is dangerous thinking. When you paint the opposite side as pure evil, you will go to any length possible to win. That includes maybe going to a Right wing dictatorship and suspending freedoms. In order to deny the Left any power. But you are okay with losing Liberties when it keeps "absolute evil" from getting into power.

As the great philosopher Aristotle taught Alexander the Great about Commanding and problem solving. Every situation is DIFFERENT, and not to let the past always guide your future decisions.

There is no ambiguity between moral Democrats and Nazis. None at fucking all. Nazis are 100 times worse than Democrats.

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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you.  This'll be good.

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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2208-290908.JPG

Reprehensible scumbags like this are every bit as bad as the dumbass neo-nazis.

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"DU got hacked, ha ha good riddance!"
"Stormfront got shut down by their service provider, it's an outrage"

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I'm gonna laugh with irony when they get around to taking down ARFCOM, just like when they get to the US Presidents and War Memorial Statues.

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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?

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Are we SURE this is .gov action to take them down? I once knew of a racist website (kinist, to be specific) that claimed to have been hacked but, in reality, the owner's anonymous cover had just been blown and his identity was about to be made known to his employer (who would have fired him, ), so he killed the site himself, rather than lose his job. And it's still dead to this day, thank goodness. Good times, good times.

So... there can be other reasons these kinds of sites go down... Just saying. Of course I wouldn't put it past some IT guy somewhere (or past corporate types) to just... "oops, now this site is dead".

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5) Freedom of speech cannot exist if we turn our heads when it's someone or something we detest. It's all or nothing. DU, ARFCOM, STORMFRONT, ANTIFA, NFL, NASA, SPACEX, RECIPE WEBSITES are all the same. Voices which should never be silenced. It's one thing to call for the killing of folks (that specific thing should be punished) and it's another to not allow them to speak at all. If we can silence one, we can silence any. To show appreciation for a silenced voice is to root for your own voice to be removed.

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They are discriminating on the basis of race.

A black supremacist site acting identically would not be targeted.

Leftists will deny this, but everyone knows it's true.

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Wow so it took ten pages of gloating and calling members here white supremacists before site staff realized that a coordinated blacklist between domain registrars and/or ICANN might be a bad thing.

If shitty blogs and web forums can axed for violating terms of service there's no way that an online arms bazaar like arfcom is going to be secure. A lot of posters here are mentioning politics but all of the justifications I've seen have referenced something about enabling harm and harassment of other people. When these companies bring their bans they're not going to say that they're censoring opinions they will claim that they're protecting people.

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So what happens when we are considered Nazis and no one will carry us?
This is the end goal of the left.

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So what happens when we are considered Nazis and no one will carry us?
This is the end goal of the left.

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Wow so it took ten pages of gloating and calling members here white supremacists before site staff realized that a coordinated blacklist between domain registrars and/or ICANN might be a bad thing.

If shitty blogs and web forums can axed for violating terms of service there's no way that an online arms bazaar like arfcom is going to be secure. A lot of posters here are mentioning politics but all of the justifications I've seen have referenced something about enabling harm and harassment of other people. When these companies bring their bans they're not going to say that they're censoring opinions they will claim that they're protecting people.