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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:09:29 AM EST
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No kidding. Thanks for laying down some truth in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Obama days, ARFCOM was listed as a "potential domestic terrorist" and watched heavily. This includes persons in positions and the most vocal folks. I spoke often to friends in the FBI and they confirmed. Nothing every happened, but to me, that is one step away from being raided/shut down. If Hillary had won, who knows where this place would be. You can't give up on freedoms like the 1st or 2nd. Once the government begins to move in, they will not stop. This is a sad day for free speech and for the internet. "Heavily monitored." Keeping it real! |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:12:45 AM EST
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I believe clienthold is because of the Registrar, not ICANN. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:15:05 AM EST
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Stormfront wasn't too bad, their gun forum was about TTAG level though
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:15:18 AM EST
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site censored?
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:19:49 AM EST
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Not to mention the collusion between government and tech companies. Google colluded with Hillary, gave her and the Dems access to their databases, and colluded with them during the Arab Spring. Google was working with the Obama Administration to push propaganda to encourage the Sunnis to rise up. Wikileaks exposed it. We'll see government tyranny through collusion with private monopolies protected by government. Sick, sick stuff.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:21:05 AM EST
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Is this a "1st they came for stormfront" moment? Will they be coming for Arfcom? Plenty of "hate speech" around here, Hell, a few people even hate beans in their chili. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:23:39 AM EST
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site censored? Also looks like the same thing happened with The Daily Stormer (Dreamhost --> NameCheap --> they decided to go with an onion). |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:23:46 AM EST
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During the Obama days, ARFCOM was listed as a "potential domestic terrorist" and watched heavily. This includes persons in positions and the most vocal folks. I spoke often to friends in the FBI and they confirmed. Nothing every happened, but to me, that is one step away from being raided/shut down. If Hillary had won, who knows where this place would be. You can't give up on freedoms like the 1st or 2nd. Once the government begins to move in, they will not stop. This is a sad day for free speech and for the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it incredibly naive to not think Arf could be listed as a hate site of potential domestic terrorists under a Kamala Harris administration that makes Obama's look like the last bastion of freedom. You can't give up on freedoms like the 1st or 2nd. Once the government begins to move in, they will not stop. This is a sad day for free speech and for the internet. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:29:42 AM EST
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That's a very socialist thing to say. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, some protections DO extend. Also, when a platform is an effective monopoly (like Google), they are held to different standards (think utility).I do agree with the post above that pointed out it is FAR better for them to be where we can see them. They are enemies every bit as much as socialists/ communists/ anarchists, and should be kept track of. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:34:08 AM EST
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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped.
Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166 If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:35:28 AM EST
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No, simply how it is. And monopolies are anti-competitive. There's a reason we have antitrust laws (that aren't being enforced because of big campaign donations). What you are calling socialist actually protects competitiveness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, some protections DO extend. Also, when a platform is an effective monopoly (like Google), they are held to different standards (think utility).I do agree with the post above that pointed out it is FAR better for them to be where we can see them. They are enemies every bit as much as socialists/ communists/ anarchists, and should be kept track of. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:40:21 AM EST
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No, simply how it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, some protections DO extend. Also, when a platform is an effective monopoly (like Google), they are held to different standards (think utility).I do agree with the post above that pointed out it is FAR better for them to be where we can see them. They are enemies every bit as much as socialists/ communists/ anarchists, and should be kept track of. And monopolies are anti-competitive. There's a reason we have antitrust laws (that aren't being enforced because of big campaign donations). What you are calling socialist actually protects competitiveness. Are people forced to use google or have a gmail email address? You can use yahoo, hotmail, bing, duckduckgo or whatever garbage, right? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:43:58 AM EST
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I have never been to the site so I cannot have a cache, so I searched storm front and hit enter clicked on the site and it came up. So put down the phone and step away....... Or Google hasn't unhosted it, but is suppressing with some DOS type attack and you were randomly able to get in. No offense intended. It's definitely down for nearly everyone. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:47:15 AM EST
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I'm literally happy to see the bad shit crazy left stick it to American Nazis. I hope they don't stop until the few dozen of them that actually exist are taken down. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:48:13 AM EST
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I haven't been able to find a good blow by blow of exactly what happened but the large web companies and ICANN appear to have conspired to effectively seize the domain. I have no idea how that's legal, it probably isn't, but they have all the money and control so they are going to do what they want and make whoever owned the domain sue to get it back it appears. This is a chilling precedent and everyone who isn't a leftist should be unsettled by it. Everyone gloating over this, you are literally the shortsighted person the poem is talking about. You don't think you are but then neither did the guy in the poem. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:51:11 AM EST
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When they came for stormfront I didn't say anything because I'm not a nazi.. Everyone gloating over this, you are literally the shortsighted person the poem is talking about. You don't think you are but then neither did the guy in the poem. clienthold is the same thing a registrar does when there's non-payment, legal disputes or when they're going to delete their name registration with them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:52:26 AM EST
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First they came for the nazis....
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:57:09 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Common carriers (like UPS) can legally transport your suppressor without being liable to file paperwork. Heck, FedEx doesn't get popped for unknowingly transporting cocane. One of the consequences of common carrier status is obstinately neutrality towards the items transported, uniform pricing and customer agnostic behavior. There is more at stake than simply a binary distinction between public and private. We don't live in a country with that type of libertarian legal history. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:57:53 AM EST
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ARF: wtf I love socialism now.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:59:32 AM EST
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Is this a "1st they came for stormfront" moment? Will they be coming for Arfcom? Anyone who who really thinks this is about nazis and not reigning in un PC speech by white people, you'll find out eventually. And if you think the same people who did this care about the rights of a bunch of "trump nazis" with machine guns you're dreaming. Because that's exactly how they view this site. Nazis are the canary in the coal mine. This is just the beginning. But yuck it up.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:06:30 AM EST
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That's all I've seen so far. I'd rather omit tirades about how Obama gave ICANN away, allowing this, if it is b.s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe clienthold is because of the Registrar, not ICANN. "Woke up in the morning and decided to take it down." |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:12:06 AM EST
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Wonder if some of the left wing NOVA folks that shitpost anti-Trump stuff around the clock used to hold the job of monitoring ARFCOM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it incredibly naive to not think Arf could be listed as a hate site of potential domestic terrorists under a Kamala Harris administration that makes Obama's look like the last bastion of freedom. You can't give up on freedoms like the 1st or 2nd. Once the government begins to move in, they will not stop. This is a sad day for free speech and for the internet. Why would they stop? A new president? Enhance your power level. 
Here's an article that came out 2 days before the site was kidnapped. I could see why the left would be threatened by this: https://www.wired.com/story/stormfront-alt-right/ |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:14:18 AM EST
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BINGO! Any pro constitutional that is supported by white males will be deemed Nazi's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Today's pro second amendment sites, are tomorrows nazis. I would caution the site owners to start taking every step they can think of now to defend this sites future. This is just the beginning! |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:17:34 AM EST
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Did the government shut them down? If not, this isn't a Freedom of Speech issue. Some of you need a fuckin' civics class. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:20:49 AM EST
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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped. Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166 If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:21:41 AM EST
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As seen on /pol/ Stormfront WHOIS page - note the clientHold in the status field. I'm probably gonna get roasted for posting this topic, although I am not an 88 sympathizer. I do not support or agree with the things that are known to be discussed there. Flame suit on. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I've been thinking about that sentence lately. And while I'd defend some asshole's right to say stupid shit, I would also stand there and have a coke while someone beat his ass for saying it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:24:35 AM EST
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Don't you see that as a technicality? Or is everyone's acting on their own volition with no coercion from Them Who Cannot Be Crossed? "Woke up in the morning and decided to take it down." when untrue things are being parroted. People hear Obama this, Soros that, and their eyes glaze over. I'm about in agreement with the EFF. The Dailystormer, despite being thoroughly repugnant and asking to get booted with that nasty rant about a dead lady, shouldn't be casually tossed off the internet because it is terrible precedent for everyone. We don't even know if the subject of this thread has been taken down for political reasons or if they just didn't pay their bills or something. I know this is GD, but we need discussion to be grounded.
It's an important fight for free speech, as one of the owners of arf demonstrated in this very thread. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:24:36 AM EST
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If their viewpoints are wrong why do they need to be suppressed?
Are we not able to draw our own conclusions as free thinking individuals? If my viewpoints don't align with yours or the masses then I need to be silenced? Me thinks the left is scared that their movement is growing, and the only reason their movement is growing is because of the actions of the left. Personally I think the Alt-Right has a lot of valid talking points that are hard to argue against, but go ahead and be like the LEFT and just call them NAZI's and KKK without actually taking the time to see the arguments they are presenting. Like a bunch of Panda's that won't fuck to save their own species. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:25:35 AM EST
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Which is socialist. Other companies are free to enter the market, no? Are people forced to use google or have a gmail email address? You can use yahoo, hotmail, bing, duckduckgo or whatever garbage, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, some protections DO extend. Also, when a platform is an effective monopoly (like Google), they are held to different standards (think utility).I do agree with the post above that pointed out it is FAR better for them to be where we can see them. They are enemies every bit as much as socialists/ communists/ anarchists, and should be kept track of. And monopolies are anti-competitive. There's a reason we have antitrust laws (that aren't being enforced because of big campaign donations). What you are calling socialist actually protects competitiveness. Are people forced to use google or have a gmail email address? You can use yahoo, hotmail, bing, duckduckgo or whatever garbage, right? 
Bro.. Email? Search engine? I can't tell if you're just knowledgeable enough to be confused or are shilling. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:25:48 AM EST
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I didn't mind stormfront too much. I wasn't a regular, but I did read the site periodically. People will tell me I'm wrong, but the hate and ignorance spewed over there isn't all that much different from the hate and ignorance spewed here. When it comes to transgenders, gays, democrats, illegal aliens, lower class black people, and various other topics; the closed minded shit I read here almost exactly mirrors the shit I read over there with the exception of a few vocabulary words that are commonly used over there; racial slurs were surprisingly not present though. I'm not White. Figured I should mention that before some asshole calls me a racist. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:26:35 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:29:01 AM EST
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Calm down all u closet 88ers! It will never go past taking down confederate monuments or websites that spew hate. They just want to get rid of symbols and platforms for hate,once they achieve getting rid of those things they will stop. It will never morph into anything else. come on it's 2017!!  
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:32:51 AM EST
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Yes. We are on their shit list. Plenty of "hate speech" around here, Hell, a few people even hate beans in their chili. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a "1st they came for stormfront" moment? Will they be coming for Arfcom? Plenty of "hate speech" around here, Hell, a few people even hate beans in their chili. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:38:01 AM EST
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I red Stormfront. Alot of their posting was over the top and just stupid, i didn't comment, i just let it lie.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:38:31 AM EST
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"White rights group" well not white Jews of course... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll still be sad, but the irony won't be lost on me. Fuck any whites rights group right? We wouldn't want to be the only race excluding other ones, because that's shit that racists do. Now before anyone gets their lederhosen all tide up in a knot, I not only don't care if 88's have their own little slice of the web, I think it's a good thing that they do (did, I guess). Same as DU, or anything else like them. Just don't ask me to feel too much past a certain level of bad if they all lose those places. Like "Tsk...gee that's too bad" before I go look for something to eat. Can't help it. *eta* I should add that I don't agree with anything that appears to be government/corporate collusion in picking and choosing winners with regards to speach. It should go without saying, but it really doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:48:40 AM EST
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So far, it just looks like their registrar doesn't like 'em. clienthold is the same thing a registrar does when there's non-payment, legal disputes or when they're going to delete their name registration with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they came for stormfront I didn't say anything because I'm not a nazi.. Everyone gloating over this, you are literally the shortsighted person the poem is talking about. You don't think you are but then neither did the guy in the poem. clienthold is the same thing a registrar does when there's non-payment, legal disputes or when they're going to delete their name registration with them. ICANN governs registrar transfers and requires significant cooperation between all parties. They say can keep a website in purgatory very easily with no real oversight. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 3:49:55 AM EST
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ARF: wtf I love socialism now. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:06:49 AM EST
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It's more of a rhetorical point. It is easier for someone to dismiss it all as Infowars tier crazy theorizing when untrue things are being parroted. People hear Obama this, Soros that, and their eyes glaze over. I'm about in agreement with the EFF. The Dailystormer, despite being thoroughly repugnant and asking to get booted with that nasty rant about a dead lady, shouldn't be casually tossed off the internet because it is terrible precedent for everyone. We don't even know if the subject of this thread has been taken down for political reasons or if they just didn't pay their bills or something. I know this is GD, but we need discussion to be grounded.
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Don't you see that as a technicality? Or is everyone's acting on their own volition with no coercion from Them Who Cannot Be Crossed? "Woke up in the morning and decided to take it down." when untrue things are being parroted. People hear Obama this, Soros that, and their eyes glaze over. I'm about in agreement with the EFF. The Dailystormer, despite being thoroughly repugnant and asking to get booted with that nasty rant about a dead lady, shouldn't be casually tossed off the internet because it is terrible precedent for everyone. We don't even know if the subject of this thread has been taken down for political reasons or if they just didn't pay their bills or something. I know this is GD, but we need discussion to be grounded.
It's an important fight for free speech, as one of the owners of arf demonstrated in this very thread. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/14/godaddy-bans-neo-nazi-site-daily-stormer-for-disparaging-woman-killed-at-charlottesville-rally/?utm_term=.79b13124f4a7 Google extradited it and burned it. Look at whois... look up the terms of transfer from just godaddy and ICANN, those two can hold a site in purgatory 10 daya at a time, over and over. In fact it looks like there was another "failed transfer" Yesterday, which would.have been 10 days since their transfer app would have been in.. they can keep delaying it.. and we haven't even mentioned Googles powers (not that they aren't pulling the levers behind the scenes) But hey its free market tho, right? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:10:52 AM EST
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Fuck nazis.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:11:31 AM EST
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If their viewpoints are wrong why do they need to be suppressed? Are we not able to draw our own conclusions as free thinking individuals? If my viewpoints don't align with yours or the masses then I need to be silenced? Me thinks the left is scared that their movement is growing, and the only reason their movement is growing is because of the actions of the left. Personally I think the Alt-Right has a lot of valid talking points that are hard to argue against, but go ahead and be like the LEFT and just call them NAZI's and KKK without actually taking the time to see the arguments they are presenting. Like a bunch of Panda's that won't fuck to save their own species. If you disagree with the narrative then you are a heretic and if you agree with the narrative then your speech is redundant
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:23:01 AM EST
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"DU got hacked, ha ha good riddance!" "Stormfront got shut down by their service provider, it's an outrage" |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:41:11 AM EST
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What's the fallback forum for when they take down arfcom?
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:46:04 AM EST
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Is this a "1st they came for stormfront" moment? Will they be coming for Arfcom? Right up until you realize that, in the Liberals' eyes, we're no different than Stomfront. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:13:05 AM EST
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What's the fallback forum for when they take down arfcom? We could have a "General Discussion" to discuss how our "FBHO" flowers are doing, and a tech forum to discuss our (cough cough) "Geissele seeds." |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:17:45 AM EST
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the natzais? who said natzais?
let me tell you, there are no such thing as natzais in 2017. they all died back in ww2!!! |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:18:26 AM EST
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What's the fallback forum for when they take down arfcom? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:19:54 AM EST
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Fuck that..............1st amendment.
Statues, opinion sites...........what is next..............where does it stop? Gulags??? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:20:34 AM EST
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reddit ar15 or 4chan or something i would assume. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the fallback forum for when they take down arfcom? 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:28:11 AM EST
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at this rate arfcom is as good as gone someday. lee, christopher columbus, jefferson, arfcom... all so very offensive.
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I'm gonna laugh with irony when they get around to taking down ARFCOM, just like when they get to the US Presidents and War Memorial Statues. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 5:30:40 AM EST
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Fuck that..............1st amendment. Statues, opinion sites...........what is next..............where does it stop? Gulags??? Going by recent popular vote results, there are now at least 150 million useful idiots in this country who can be manipulated in any direction the propagandists desire, and for whatever the long term cynical & self serving aims of those pulling the strings are. See related articles under "George Soros," "Barack Obama," and "the Clintons" for further research. See historical articles under "Feudalism" and "Serfdom" if you want to know what the end state looks like for ordinary people. "Rights?" "Constitution?" 
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