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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:46:56 PM EDT
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With contempt, disgust and disappointment.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:47:44 PM EDT
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That's one of the things about any religion...interpretation is key. I know for a fact that the way I believe is completely off kilter when compared to mainstream Christians...I think faith is a very personal thing. No matter who (or what) you worship. It's something that's inside you, in your thoughts, more than where you go with who and on what days. I wouldn't go to church if it wasn't for the fact that my mother insists - yes - mother - she's one of the head ladies in the kitchen and asked me to come and do security. I don't like the pastor or his sermons - I go for the community aspect of it. I don't recite the creed or sing along. That's all inside my thoughts. So you don't HAVE to believe in God to go to church. At some point, you may change your mind. The fact that you are doing it out of love for your spouse, is great. That's a kind act and one that many Christians would say brings you closer to the faith...as many have mentioned, there are assholes as well that would deride you for it. Every religion has assholes...some more than others. Every church has assholes. We have strife in our church. Some of the higher ups that recently came in, saying they saw the hand of God working by flinging a chair across the room, etc...and pretending to speak in tongues. Apparently it was bad form when I bust out laughing and walked out of the room and just about everyone else followed me. Friggin morons...they are the ones that give Christians that stigma of being retards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow.....even the religious experts on here can't agree on anything......  I wouldn't go to church if it wasn't for the fact that my mother insists - yes - mother - she's one of the head ladies in the kitchen and asked me to come and do security. I don't like the pastor or his sermons - I go for the community aspect of it. I don't recite the creed or sing along. That's all inside my thoughts. So you don't HAVE to believe in God to go to church. At some point, you may change your mind. The fact that you are doing it out of love for your spouse, is great. That's a kind act and one that many Christians would say brings you closer to the faith...as many have mentioned, there are assholes as well that would deride you for it. Every religion has assholes...some more than others. Every church has assholes. We have strife in our church. Some of the higher ups that recently came in, saying they saw the hand of God working by flinging a chair across the room, etc...and pretending to speak in tongues. Apparently it was bad form when I bust out laughing and walked out of the room and just about everyone else followed me. Friggin morons...they are the ones that give Christians that stigma of being retards. What I consider to be of a cult mentality, usually mixed with some mental and other issues on the side. The Christian Bible simply states that not everyone who claims to be a Christian, or saved, by their own belief systems, even saying with their mouths that Jesus is their Savior, will enter into the kingdom of God. The reason? Worship of other things. Sometimes, many other things. But not the One true God. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:51:57 PM EDT
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With contempt, disgust and disappointment. Was some of this coming from within your own family? Like when you were dependent on them? That is, if you don't mind me asking? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:52:00 PM EDT
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Wow.....even the religious experts on here can't agree on anything...... In the end I think it's positive for people to go on their own journey of creation discovery because no matter where they land it's certainly better than abject ignorance. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:06:16 PM EDT
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A three year old girl gets leukemia. What action did they take to bring that on themselves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know this is a sensitive topic, and I'm not trying to insult anyone....but I just want to ask the question. My wife is not super religious, but likes to go to church once a month or so. She says it makes her feel better…I’m ok with that. Every now and then she asks me to go with her…..I don’t want to, but it’s my wife…and a marriage is a compromise. I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person. Everything good or bad that happens to me is because of my own hard work, my good choices, my bad choices, or good/bad luck….that’s it. I don’t know how people can sit for an hour and listen to some preacher get up there ramble on and on about how they need to look for a higher power to believe in when things get them down, when things don’t go right, or when they are having a rough time with life. I can listen to it for about 5 min, and my eyes glaze over and I’m thinking about riding dirt bikes, fishing, or a multitude of other things. I guess I just can’t wrap my mind around how people can be so emotionally fragile, so weak minded, so out of touch with reality that they can’t realize that everything that happens to them is of their own doing….nothing more, nothing less. What am I missing here? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:50:14 PM EDT
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I know this is a sensitive topic, and I'm not trying to insult anyone....but I just want to ask the question. My wife is not super religious, but likes to go to church once a month or so. She says it makes her feel better…I’m ok with that. Every now and then she asks me to go with her…..I don’t want to, but it’s my wife…and a marriage is a compromise. I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person. Everything good or bad that happens to me is because of my own hard work, my good choices, my bad choices, or good/bad luck….that’s it. I don’t know how people can sit for an hour and listen to some preacher get up there ramble on and on about how they need to look for a higher power to believe in when things get them down, when things don’t go right, or when they are having a rough time with life. I can listen to it for about 5 min, and my eyes glaze over and I’m thinking about riding dirt bikes, fishing, or a multitude of other things. I guess I just can’t wrap my mind around how people can be so emotionally fragile, so weak minded, so out of touch with reality that they can’t realize that everything that happens to them is of their own doing….nothing more, nothing less. What am I missing here? from outside looking in, its strange and foreign. ive built a good and honest life and hard work is my mantra. i dont see a purpose for going to church to be preached at. i think its great for those who want it, i dont fault them for it but its nothing i need. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:19:09 PM EDT
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And the next contestant is... evolution... come on down.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:24:24 PM EDT
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If anybody enjoys a good old fashioned shitshow on GD, religion and abortion always bring out the best.
I do enjoy. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:34:20 PM EDT
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If anybody enjoys a good old fashioned shitshow on GD, religion and abortion always bring out the best. I do enjoy. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:37:10 PM EDT
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@waywaup
You care to answer my question? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:50:01 PM EDT
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Please tell me how what I posted makes you think I'm holier than thou. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"...I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person...." You're a liar. When you stop lying to yourself, you'll stop lying to others. Only then can you get to work on acquiring those traits. Asking Jesus for help would do you good. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:00:56 PM EDT
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My wife and daughter go to church. I don't believe, I wish I did but after years of Catechism and then 6 years of Benedictine education it never took. It never will.
Sitting there would irritate me and pretending to believe would make me a hypocrite. I go for weddings and funerals, that's it. It's all superstition as far as I'm concerned but I never turn down a prayer offered for me because it can't hurt and it is a nice gesture if nothing more. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try Asatru. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:03:57 PM EDT
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How do I deal with Church? I don’t.
I went to a Catholic grade school and have only been back to Church for weddings or funerals since I left home. I can still quote scripture and I say a prayer every now and then, but I can do that anywhere. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your statement shows your extreme ignorance of what Christians really believe. You are as wrong as you can be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Your statement shows your extreme ignorance of what Christians really believe. You are as wrong as you can be. Quoted: Your statement shows your extreme ignorance of what Christians really believe. You are as wrong as you can be. If humans are really as minuscule in the universe as we know them to be, and there was some higher power or creator, why would he manifest himself as a human? Isn’t the whole idea of that putting humans on a pretty big pedestal? Why wasn’t Jesus an ant or a bacteria? Or an alien? Why a human or human like god? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:35:38 PM EDT
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I deal with it by being an atheist and doing what is right because it's right, not because religion tells me I should.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:50:02 PM EDT
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My view is that people can't accept the fact that the universe is unbelievably vast and they are insignificant in the cosmos.
They look for meaning and they, having been taught since young to look to God, believe in a devine being because it brings them a since of purpose. I don't believe, I think people that fall back to the "God works in mysterious ways" line of thought are simple minded and honestly, dumb, but I will defend their right to have their beliefs, and to not be persecuted or attacked for them, and I don't support the athiests that would take down statues or that try to remove religious meanings from government. No matter your religion I think you should be able to practice it and adhere to it so long as you do not try and cause harm to others or try to limit others freedom to practice their religion peacefully. Goat fuckers that use religion to excuse their actions should be exterminated, just like people like the Westboro baptists should be too. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:29:26 AM EDT
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Well, if you have to ask. . . . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"...I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person...." You're a liar. When you stop lying to yourself, you'll stop lying to others. Only then can you get to work on acquiring those traits. Asking Jesus for help would do you good. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:57:22 AM EDT
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The Bible gives very specific directions on how to deal with those in the church that have gone astray. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Like me? Or like the hypocrite? Not much a 17 year old can do about it. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:09:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I will write my Law upon your heart" |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:57:55 AM EDT
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If anybody enjoys a good old fashioned shitshow on GD, religion and abortion always bring out the best. I do enjoy. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:51:47 AM EDT
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Just curious, why do you have a very atheistic symbol as an avatar? It doesn`t get much more Humanist than that. LOL! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: "I will write my Law upon your heart" |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:02:03 AM EDT
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I know this is a sensitive topic, and I'm not trying to insult anyone....but I just want to ask the question. My wife is not super religious, but likes to go to church once a month or so. She says it makes her feel better…I’m ok with that. Every now and then she asks me to go with her…..I don’t want to, but it’s my wife…and a marriage is a compromise. I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person. Everything good or bad that happens to me is because of my own hard work, my good choices, my bad choices, or good/bad luck….that’s it. I don’t know how people can sit for an hour and listen to some preacher get up there ramble on and on about how they need to look for a higher power to believe in when things get them down, when things don’t go right, or when they are having a rough time with life. I can listen to it for about 5 min, and my eyes glaze over and I’m thinking about riding dirt bikes, fishing, or a multitude of other things. I guess I just can’t wrap my mind around how people can be so emotionally fragile, so weak minded, so out of touch with reality that they can’t realize that everything that happens to them is of their own doing….nothing more, nothing less. What am I missing here? Church gives some people an emotional high so they feel better going. You are like me, it does nothing for me and in fact often makes me a touch angry how people are told in church that they are broken and failing in life but god will fix that. I go, think about other stuff, stand up and sit down 30 times and then grab some lunch. I honestly feel it wastes half my weekend. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:04:55 AM EDT
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I am surprised this thread lasted this long.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:08:26 AM EDT
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I know this is a sensitive topic, and I'm not trying to insult anyone....but I just want to ask the question. My wife is not super religious, but likes to go to church once a month or so. She says it makes her feel better…I’m ok with that. Every now and then she asks me to go with her…..I don’t want to, but it’s my wife…and a marriage is a compromise. I’m a very strong willed, confident, emotionally strong person. Everything good or bad that happens to me is because of my own hard work, my good choices, my bad choices, or good/bad luck….that’s it. I don’t know how people can sit for an hour and listen to some preacher get up there ramble on and on about how they need to look for a higher power to believe in when things get them down, when things don’t go right, or when they are having a rough time with life. I can listen to it for about 5 min, and my eyes glaze over and I’m thinking about riding dirt bikes, fishing, or a multitude of other things. I guess I just can’t wrap my mind around how people can be so emotionally fragile, so weak minded, so out of touch with reality that they can’t realize that everything that happens to them is of their own doing….nothing more, nothing less. What am I missing here? Church gives some people an emotional high so they feel better going. You are like me, it does nothing for me and in fact often makes me a touch angry how people are told in church that they are broken and failing in life but god will fix that. I go, think about other stuff, stand up and sit down 30 times and then grab some lunch. I honestly feel it wastes half my weekend. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:23:23 AM EDT
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Believe in god if you wish to, or don’t believe if you don’t wish to. Our country allows people the freedom of choice, so enjoy the freedom.
I don’t see the need to believe in god, so I don’t. Please no matter which side of the question of god you’re on let the other person pick their own beliefs. Don’t attempt to influence my choice. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:50:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go to google and read up what the star man is about, just because I profess a Christian faith does not mean I love government and infringements of natural freedoms. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:09:59 AM EDT
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I am surprised this thread lasted this long. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:46:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go to google and read up what the star man is about, just because I profess a Christian faith does not mean I love government and infringements of natural freedoms. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:03:09 AM EDT
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Ayn Rand hated religion, she thought it was just as oppressive and authoritarian as any totalitarian government, and that album makes a valid correlation between the two, not to mention the whole band are proud Atheists. There is no freedom of thought when it comes to religion, or collectivism. The individual is abhorred in both. That`s some mighty fine cognitive dissonance you`ve got going on there. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:06:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I won't be getting any answers |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:29:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Paul murdered Christians, yet God still found a job for him, Judas betrayed the Christ, unforgivable, but, it was necessary and had to happen. While I think Ayn Rand was a self absorbed bloviator, she delivered a message of freedom,who are we to say that wasn’t planted there by God to send a message to others? "I want to fight religion as the root of all human lying and the only excuse for suffering...I want to prove that religion breaks a character before it's formed, in childhood, by teaching a child lies before he knows what a lie is, by breaking him of the habit of thinking before he has begun to think, by making him a hypocrite before he knows any other possible attitude toward life. Religion is also the first enemy of the ability to think. That ability is not used by men to one-tenth of its possibility, yet before they learn to think they are discouraged by being ordered to take things on faith. Faith is the worst curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought." I'd suggest instead that Ayn tends to support the position of the OP in this thread. Although, "exact antithesis and enemy of thought" is far stronger than anything the OP indicated. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:15:48 PM EDT
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Paul murdered Christians, yet God still found a job for him, Judas betrayed the Christ, unforgivable, but, it was necessary and had to happen. While I think Ayn Rand was a self absorbed bloviator, she delivered a message of freedom,who are we to say that wasn’t planted there by God to send a message to others? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ayn Rand hated religion, she thought it was just as oppressive and authoritarian as any totalitarian government, and that album makes a valid correlation between the two, not to mention the whole band are proud Atheists. There is no freedom of thought when it comes to religion, or collectivism. The individual is abhorred in both. That`s some mighty fine cognitive dissonance you`ve got going on there. And then there’s the post directly before mine. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:46:15 PM EDT
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I have a job, If a fellow member of your church wrongs you, approach them privately and correct them, if that doesn’t work enlist the help of trusted others, if they still persist, take it public, if that still doesn’t fix the issue they can be expelled by the church. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Guess I won't be getting any answers They tried to get me to lie. When I wouldn't lie I was expelled even though the relationship for all intents and purposes was over. Very Christian of them. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, none of those applied. They tried to get me to lie. When I wouldn't lie I was expelled even though the relationship for all intents and purposes was over. Very Christian of them. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:37:08 PM EDT
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Ayn Rand hated religion, she thought it was just as oppressive and authoritarian as any totalitarian government, and that album makes a valid correlation between the two, not to mention the whole band are proud Atheists. There is no freedom of thought when it comes to religion, or collectivism. The individual is abhorred in both. That`s some mighty fine cognitive dissonance you`ve got going on there. Hell, there are people in this thread who cannot come up with any explanation for certain things other than "God said it, I believe it, that settles it, and I don't want facts or discussion or opposing thoughts to interfere with my beliefs!!!1!" |
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