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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:06:39 PM EST
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What you see in those pictures are the people that will attempt to escort us to re-education in the future.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:07:30 PM EST
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Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did just that. Paid for college and then some. Only about 20% of the population is eligible for military service (at whatever standard they have now). What do you do with everyone else? You seem to have answered your own question with your first sentence. And again, why is not getting a degree not an option? Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:07:31 PM EST
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Lol so the guy who sits at the rec center and makes sure the students scan their id's when they enter wants $15 an hour? Get the fuck outta here
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:09:21 PM EST
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I paid mine of about 8 years ago. If they get this, do I get a backdated check for mine? Hell I didn't go because I never had the $. Can I get a Ma Deuce & a lifetime supply of ammo for free instead? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:09:34 PM EST
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Lol so the guy who sits at the rec center and makes sure the students scan their id's when they enter wants $15 an hour? Get the fuck outta here Not wants. Deserves. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:09:52 PM EST
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Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did just that. Paid for college and then some. Only about 20% of the population is eligible for military service (at whatever standard they have now). What do you do with everyone else? You seem to have answered your own question with your first sentence. And again, why is not getting a degree not an option? Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Not even close, Trade jobs are in more of a demand then ever before. And just wait 10 more years when all the guys doing them now retire. NO college (27yo), skilled labor, 65hrs last week, no college debt and 2.5 times the wage figure you gave. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:10:08 PM EST
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If they get their college debt forgiven do I get my college debt forgiven? If they can repay these things that would be great. - almost 4 years served overseas - threat of getting my ass shot/blown off - having brothers get wounded and killed - emotional and physical toll on my body - time away from family and all the important events I missed back home - Benchmade Auto that some Afghan kid stole - sleepless nights spent running back to the makeshift porta-shitter because I'm pretty sure I had dysentery from the local food 
In all seriousness, I am not asking for repayment or compensation of anything, just making a point that college and things in general are not free and shouldn't be free. Everybody pays a price for something that has value. I don't regret anything and I would do it all over again in a heartbeat and I anxiously await my chance to answer the call, again. 
And we all knew what we signed up for and were compensated for it (Paid). It was a job, no one forced us to join the .mil. The education bennies were part of our compensation. Not everyone can join, even those who really want to. So what about the kid with a heart murmur or the betus who wants to get an education to provide a decent life? The question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:12:23 PM EST
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. Fuck that liberal noise. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:13:17 PM EST
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:13:31 PM EST
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Years ago I had the opertunity to visit family teaching in Taiwan. While there I talked to one of their friends who had not long ago finished his free college education. He was upset that his free college education meant nothing and he was treated as dirt at the workplace. My response was, if everyone has the same education, then what's the value of that education? These folks are asking to get Bernied. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:14:13 PM EST
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Dumbfucks...
Don't go to if you can't afford to pay your loans. Also don't get worthless degree that can't pay for itself... Bingo |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:14:50 PM EST
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I shoveled coal that fell off the conveyor back onto the conveyor belt. Fuck these people. This country is lost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Your money is a right of theirs. And screw it, the world needs ditch diggers too. Digging ditches is a good motivator to learn a trade or go to college. I spent time as a shovel operator. I shoveled coal that fell off the conveyor back onto the conveyor belt. Fuck these people. This country is lost. I worked one summer as an unskilled temp in a glass factory. My grades improved when I returned to school. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:16:35 PM EST
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Learn a skill or trade in demand in or out of college ----->profit Get a degree that helps you get a job in a career that is high in demand and income ----->profit Waste time and money getting a degree in MOST of the various social science degrees (especially from private colleges) with little demand for higher income or employment --------> poor life decision = staying poor with lots of debt. Not anyone's fault except the individual. What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:17:20 PM EST
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I don't currently have a degree and have professional certifications in three careers that pay much better than $10/hr. No trade unions involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did just that. Paid for college and then some. Only about 20% of the population is eligible for military service (at whatever standard they have now). What do you do with everyone else? You seem to have answered your own question with your first sentence. And again, why is not getting a degree not an option? Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. I don't currently have a degree and have professional certifications in three careers that pay much better than $10/hr. No trade unions involved. Let me guess... related to mil service (like A&P)? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:17:48 PM EST
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They're pretty dumb for being in college. They can go eat a bag of dicks.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:18:23 PM EST
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I did just that. Paid for college and then some. Only about 20% of the population is eligible for military service (at whatever standard they have now). What do you do with everyone else? You seem to have answered your own question with your first sentence. And again, why is not getting a degree not an option? Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? Government / Financial / Budget / Management |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:18:26 PM EST
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The Republicans only chance is running Santa Claus in 2016 Naughty list bigotry = hate crime |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:19:06 PM EST
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Let me guess... related to mil service (like A&P)? That's one, although I don't use it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:20:44 PM EST
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What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Learn a skill or trade in demand in or out of college ----->profit Get a degree that helps you get a job in a career that is high in demand and income ----->profit Waste time and money getting a degree in MOST of the various social science degrees (especially from private colleges) with little demand for higher income or employment --------> poor life decision = staying poor with lots of debt. Not anyone's fault except the individual. What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. You're not even a good troll What's your occupation? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:21:54 PM EST
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Not even close, Trade jobs are in more of a demand then ever before. And just wait 10 more years when all the guys doing them now retire. NO college (27yo), skilled labor, 65hrs last week, no college debt and 2.5 times the wage figure you gave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did just that. Paid for college and then some. Only about 20% of the population is eligible for military service (at whatever standard they have now). What do you do with everyone else? You seem to have answered your own question with your first sentence. And again, why is not getting a degree not an option? Trades are all but dead. MOST jobs over $10/hr require a degree. It's always an option, especially if poverty looks attractive. Not even close, Trade jobs are in more of a demand then ever before. And just wait 10 more years when all the guys doing them now retire. NO college (27yo), skilled labor, 65hrs last week, no college debt and 2.5 times the wage figure you gave. Funny you say that most of my family works in construction and my dad is a GC. If you aint mexican good luck getting work. If you don't employ a legion of mexians, good luck winning a bid. The days of quality craftsmanship and working construction for a real living wage are dead. Too many illegals who do it for $10/hr under the table with no Federl/state//healthcare/employment tax to worry about. Not to mention the big boys have squeezed most the lower to mid size construction outfits out. The majority have either gone belly up or are on their last lifeline in the last 7 years. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:23:44 PM EST
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You're not even a good troll What's your occupation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Learn a skill or trade in demand in or out of college ----->profit Get a degree that helps you get a job in a career that is high in demand and income ----->profit Waste time and money getting a degree in MOST of the various social science degrees (especially from private colleges) with little demand for higher income or employment --------> poor life decision = staying poor with lots of debt. Not anyone's fault except the individual. What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. You're not even a good troll What's your occupation? I myself work as an Industrial Electrician. I don't know anybody. I started off in Plumbing, then went to trade school for HVAC, after that I went over to Electrical. Never seen what he's talking about. We can't get electricians for crap, and we pay $31 an hour. People hate working off shifts though. One thing I never have a problem finding is a job that pays well. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:24:17 PM EST
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? Who said anything about liberal arts? I would have still went after a Bachelor of Science degree if someone else was paying or I paid. Let the cream rise to the top. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:25:07 PM EST
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:26:52 PM EST
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That's one, although I don't use it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me guess... related to mil service (like A&P)? That's one, although I don't use it. Which is very admirable. But not everyone can join the .mil and those that do, not everyone can go aviation. It's not like a kid can walk up to an airline and ask to be trained into an A&P. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:27:47 PM EST
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This is not 1980. You cannot work and put yourself through college anymore. Even a state 4 year university is going to cost $20K+ a year with living expenses/books/tuition. You cannot work part time and afford that. You think it's expensive now? Just wait until the .gov has 100% control. Remember the "Affordable" care act ? 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:28:54 PM EST
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And we all knew what we signed up for and were compensated for it (Paid). It was a job, no one forced us to join the .mil. The education bennies were part of our compensation. Not everyone can join, even those who really want to. So what about the kid with a heart murmur or the betus who wants to get an education to provide a decent life? The question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they get their college debt forgiven do I get my college debt forgiven? If they can repay these things that would be great. - almost 4 years served overseas - threat of getting my ass shot/blown off - having brothers get wounded and killed - emotional and physical toll on my body - time away from family and all the important events I missed back home - Benchmade Auto that some Afghan kid stole - sleepless nights spent running back to the makeshift porta-shitter because I'm pretty sure I had dysentery from the local food
In all seriousness, I am not asking for repayment or compensation of anything, just making a point that college and things in general are not free and shouldn't be free. Everybody pays a price for something that has value. I don't regret anything and I would do it all over again in a heartbeat and I anxiously await my chance to answer the call, again.
And we all knew what we signed up for and were compensated for it (Paid). It was a job, no one forced us to join the .mil. The education bennies were part of our compensation. Not everyone can join, even those who really want to. So what about the kid with a heart murmur or the betus who wants to get an education to provide a decent life? The question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? 1. No different than the students that borrowed money and agreed to pay it back. No one forced them to borrow money. They borrow money and pay it back with money, I borrowed/agreed to let .GOV pay for college and agreed to pay it back with servitude. If they get their promise/debt forgiven then how do I get compensated for what I gave (not that I am asking to, i'm just using it as an example) ? Same thing. 2. I know everyone can't join, and that's not my point. I am not going to dumb it down any further. if you can't see my point then I don't know what else to say. 3. Obviously we are better off with a higher educated populace. But that is not the question we need to ask and you know it. 4. Government should not be involved with education at all. That includes funding, grants, standards, they should be completely hands off. We should change the tax code (lower taxes), stop funneling so much money into a lot of the stuff you mentioned, and completely cut some of the stuff you mentioned. Stop Social Security, Stop Obamacare, and let the free market take car of itself. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:29:50 PM EST
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Dear student debt holders: PAY YOUR OWN FUCKING BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Easy to do when people can't get a job. Maybe they should sell a kidney or half a liver? Three degrees here and no debt. I finished my last degree in 2012 not 20 years ago. Major in something useful and it will, be easy to pay. If you don't have the IQ or work ethic for a useful degree then don't go. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:30:12 PM EST
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. Fuck that liberal noise. I do. Nobody is entitled to higher ed, and if you think that then this conversation is over. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:30:39 PM EST
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You think it's expensive now? Just wait until the .gov has 100% control. Remember the "Affordable" care act ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not 1980. You cannot work and put yourself through college anymore. Even a state 4 year university is going to cost $20K+ a year with living expenses/books/tuition. You cannot work part time and afford that. You think it's expensive now? Just wait until the .gov has 100% control. Remember the "Affordable" care act ? They already have 100% control. Where do you think the money is coming from? Take inflated loans and guaranteed private loans out of the picture and costs will plummet. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:30:44 PM EST
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Did that cunt seriously put #thestruggleisreal on her sign?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:30:47 PM EST
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1. No different than the students that borrowed money and agreed to pay it back. No one forced them to borrow money. They borrow money and pay it back with money, I borrowed/agreed to let .GOV pay for college and agreed to pay it back with servitude. If they get their promise/debt forgiven then how do I get compensated for what I gave (not that I am asking to, i'm just using it as an example) ? Same thing. 2. I know everyone can't join, and that's not my point. I am not going to dumb it down any further. if you can't see my point then I don't know what else to say. 3. Obviously we are better off with a higher educated populace. But that is not the question we need to ask and you know it. 4. Government should not be involved with education at all. That includes funding, grants, standards, they should be completely hands off. We should change the tax code (lower taxes), stop funneling so much money into a lot of the stuff you mentioned, and completely cut some of the stuff you mentioned. Stop Social Security, Stop Obamacare, and let the free market take car of itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they get their college debt forgiven do I get my college debt forgiven? If they can repay these things that would be great. - almost 4 years served overseas - threat of getting my ass shot/blown off - having brothers get wounded and killed - emotional and physical toll on my body - time away from family and all the important events I missed back home - Benchmade Auto that some Afghan kid stole - sleepless nights spent running back to the makeshift porta-shitter because I'm pretty sure I had dysentery from the local food
In all seriousness, I am not asking for repayment or compensation of anything, just making a point that college and things in general are not free and shouldn't be free. Everybody pays a price for something that has value. I don't regret anything and I would do it all over again in a heartbeat and I anxiously await my chance to answer the call, again.
And we all knew what we signed up for and were compensated for it (Paid). It was a job, no one forced us to join the .mil. The education bennies were part of our compensation. Not everyone can join, even those who really want to. So what about the kid with a heart murmur or the betus who wants to get an education to provide a decent life? The question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? 1. No different than the students that borrowed money and agreed to pay it back. No one forced them to borrow money. They borrow money and pay it back with money, I borrowed/agreed to let .GOV pay for college and agreed to pay it back with servitude. If they get their promise/debt forgiven then how do I get compensated for what I gave (not that I am asking to, i'm just using it as an example) ? Same thing. 2. I know everyone can't join, and that's not my point. I am not going to dumb it down any further. if you can't see my point then I don't know what else to say. 3. Obviously we are better off with a higher educated populace. But that is not the question we need to ask and you know it. 4. Government should not be involved with education at all. That includes funding, grants, standards, they should be completely hands off. We should change the tax code (lower taxes), stop funneling so much money into a lot of the stuff you mentioned, and completely cut some of the stuff you mentioned. Stop Social Security, Stop Obamacare, and let the free market take car of itself. Yup. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:31:12 PM EST
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:34:03 PM EST
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They already have 100% control. Where do you think the money is coming from? Take inflated loans and guaranteed private loans out of the picture and costs will plummet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not 1980. You cannot work and put yourself through college anymore. Even a state 4 year university is going to cost $20K+ a year with living expenses/books/tuition. You cannot work part time and afford that. You think it's expensive now? Just wait until the .gov has 100% control. Remember the "Affordable" care act ? They already have 100% control. Where do you think the money is coming from? Take inflated loans and guaranteed private loans out of the picture and costs will plummet. So more government will surely fix it ? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:34:47 PM EST
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This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:36:55 PM EST
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Way to encourage your kids. Obtaining a high demand skill to acquire high pay doesn't happen through entry level jobs outside of high school. Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. College is a must. The key is to acquire a high demand skill while there. Or I guess you can continue to work 2 jobs for the rest of your life. Jeez... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Way to encourage your kids. Obtaining a high demand skill to acquire high pay doesn't happen through entry level jobs outside of high school. Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. College is a must. The key is to acquire a high demand skill while there. Or I guess you can continue to work 2 jobs for the rest of your life. Jeez... Yeah. All those tradesmen with their degrees laying brick, pulling conduit, running cable, etc.. Urine idyit |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:37:25 PM EST
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:39:16 PM EST
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Lack of discipline and lifestyle greed is what caused the inflation in the first place.
Ain't no one tell them to take the max amount and squander it living on campus and buying a new car. If they're not smart enough to figure out how to fund it, maybe they shouldn't be going to college. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:39:48 PM EST
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Yeah. All those tradesmen with their degrees laying brick, pulling conduit, running cable, etc.. Urine idyit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Way to encourage your kids. Obtaining a high demand skill to acquire high pay doesn't happen through entry level jobs outside of high school. Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. College is a must. The key is to acquire a high demand skill while there. Or I guess you can continue to work 2 jobs for the rest of your life. Jeez... Yeah. All those tradesmen with their degrees laying brick, pulling conduit, running cable, etc.. Urine idyit They are called Mexicans. Go to any Jobsite and you can watch them work. Hell, they are even on military bases fulfilling contracts. I had trouble getting on some bases to do side work WHILE being a FED/holding a clearance yet people who can't speak english get free roam? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:39:57 PM EST
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I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. College already has a high dropout rate. That includes people that pay out of pocket and take out loans. So all the money they spend and borrow is for nothing if they get 3 years in and dropout. Now, in your scenario where college is free-for-all. The enrollment will go up because its free and the dropouts will go up significantly, because now they have no skin in the game. If you think we have problems now, your socialist school utopia will crush this country in more ways than 1.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:40:53 PM EST
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Lack of discipline and lifestyle greed is what caused the inflation in the first place. Ain't no one tell them to take the max amount and squander it living on campus and buying a new car. If they're not smart enough to figure out how to fund it, maybe they shouldn't be going to college. And only a fool would give a 17/18 year old a blank check and tell them to be responsible. Just like banks who give out $250K loans for a 17 year old to buy a brand new red Lamborghini with no ability to pay it back? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:42:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Learn a skill or trade in demand in or out of college ----->profit Get a degree that helps you get a job in a career that is high in demand and income ----->profit Waste time and money getting a degree in MOST of the various social science degrees (especially from private colleges) with little demand for higher income or employment --------> poor life decision = staying poor with lots of debt. Not anyone's fault except the individual. What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. I deal with electrical contractors and unions and apprenticeship for a living and have been for going on 20 years.
Plumbers, welders, electricians, fitters, steel workers are in short supply in My AO, and it is getting worse. As for "new construction" being dead...I defy you to drive through Houston, Beaumont, Austin, DFW, San Antonio, or any major city in Texas and count less than 25 tower cranes over new buildings, as well as refineries that are being retrofitted, and LNG export terminals being built. Hell, in my home town of Corpus Christi, we have a new steel mill, a new plastics mill, a port expansion, a new hospital, and a MASSIVE expansion at our refinery. We are short about 1100 electricians in Corpus Christi...that's just THIS pissant town. I deal with 11 different electrical apprenticeship programs in Texas and the Southern USA, they are STARVING for quality applicants...and the kicker is that people either don't want to get their hands dirty, or cannot/will not pass a drug test, or they will not go where the work is. Opportunity in the skilled trades IS there...and it is not being overrun by Mexicans. People just don't want it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:42:26 PM EST
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I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. We shouldn't be paying anyone to sit on their ass either. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:43:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I spent time as a shovel operator. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Education is a right? Your money is a right of theirs. And screw it, the world needs ditch diggers too. Digging ditches is a good motivator to learn a trade or go to college. I spent time as a shovel operator. My dad broke me working construction on our house when I was 14. Mixing cement by the wheelbarrow and hauling cinder blocks. he told me that what awaits you if you don't study and go to school. Never again do I want to work construction. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:43:40 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:44:52 PM EST
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Comrades, I sense a lack of revolutionary fervor and ideological commitment in these responses...
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:45:31 PM EST
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College already has a high dropout rate. That includes people that pay out of pocket and take out loans. So all the money they spend and borrow is for nothing if they get 3 years in and dropout. Now, in your scenario where college is free-for-all. The enrollment will go up because its free and the dropouts will go up significantly, because now they have no skin in the game. If you think we have problems now, your socialist school utopia will crush this country in more ways than 1.
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. College already has a high dropout rate. That includes people that pay out of pocket and take out loans. So all the money they spend and borrow is for nothing if they get 3 years in and dropout. Now, in your scenario where college is free-for-all. The enrollment will go up because its free and the dropouts will go up significantly, because now they have no skin in the game. If you think we have problems now, your socialist school utopia will crush this country in more ways than 1.
The high drop out rate is 2 fold: 1. People who shouldn't be in school are there. Better that they are sitting in a free community college eating up $100 a semester hour instead of eating up $600 a semester hour and $15K a year in room&board in a higher level school. Make free school contingent on getting passing grades. 2. Minorities who are basically allowed to go to any school for free to up diversity numbers. Students who had no business being at the school in the first place and taking advantage of #1. If schools actually admited people based on their aptitude/grades instead of what color their skin is, we would have a much lower rate of flunkies. Even then, I would rather pay someone to try and fail college then sit around on their ass collecting welfare/unemployment. You are giving the option to those who truly are in a bad situation to work themselves out of it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:45:34 PM EST
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When FBHO was first pushing for Obamacare, and people called it socialism, the left scoffed, Obama mocked the right for saying so, and the media used those comments to frame the right as being idiots. Later, the dialogue changed from "it's not socialism" to "what's wrong with socialism?"
Now, they are running a self-professed socialist for president, and embrace socialism like a virtue. As they are emboldened by the ineffectual right, because mainstream America is on the dole and fully bought in to the propaganda machine, the socialist ideology is continuing its slide into communism. This election, the right will decry the left agenda as communism, of which it will be mocked by the left and used to frame the right as bloviating idiots. Later, the left will go from denial and scoffing, to "what's so wrong with communism?" It's not like they don't openly spell it out The Communist Manifesto made it clear that the act of bringing the proletariat to power was an act of revolution. But once the proletariat was in power, its programme of action was a transitional one, which would gradually lead to socialism. The social – political revolution would open the door to a prolonged process of reform whose final result would be fully-fledged socialism (or communism). Before the revolution, the communist uses reforms to develop the self-confidence, consciousness and organization of the proletariat, so as to prepare it for the revolution, i.e. breaking the capitalist framework of political, economic and social power. After the revolution, on the foundation of a new class rule, socialist reforms are called for.
Once the dictatorship of the proletariat is established, a programme of economic transformation is to be implemented: The proletariat will use its political supremacy in order, by degrees, to wrest all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all the means of production into the hands of the state (this meaning the proletariat organized as ruling class), and, as rapidly as possible, to increase the total mass of productive forces. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:45:50 PM EST
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Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. I didn't go, I had no loans that I payed. Should I now be forced to pay for some BLM shitbird to get a degree in advanced whining at Mizzou ? It's not MY personal greed you speak of, it's the greed of the FSA that wants to take food off of my table for their bullshit |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:46:08 PM EST
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They are called Mexicans. Go to any Jobsite and you can watch them work. Hell, they are even on military bases fulfilling contracts. I had trouble getting on some bases to do side work WHILE being a FED/holding a clearance yet people who can't speak english get free roam? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Way to encourage your kids. Obtaining a high demand skill to acquire high pay doesn't happen through entry level jobs outside of high school. Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. College is a must. The key is to acquire a high demand skill while there. Or I guess you can continue to work 2 jobs for the rest of your life. Jeez... Yeah. All those tradesmen with their degrees laying brick, pulling conduit, running cable, etc.. Urine idyit They are called Mexicans. Go to any Jobsite and you can watch them work. Hell, they are even on military bases fulfilling contracts. I had trouble getting on some bases to do side work WHILE being a FED/holding a clearance yet people who can't speak english get free roam? If we are talking illegals then that is a topic for another thread. Fix that problem and the job market here will correct itself. As a country we have major problems that effect other major problem areas. Illegals effect the job market, which effects college, and so on and so forth. .GOV needs to stay out of education, overhaul the welfare state (shrink it) , fix the Illegals problem, stop using programs that people are forced to buy into that compete with the private sector (obamacare, medicare/medicaid/, social security), there's more that needs to be fixed but these are some of the top issues. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:46:53 PM EST
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