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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:48:31 PM EDT
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The high drop out rate is 2 fold: 1. People who shouldn't be in school are there. Better that they are sitting in a free community college eating up $100 a semester hour instead of eating up $600 a semester hour and $15K a year in room&board in a higher level school. Make free school contingent on getting passing grades. 2. Minorities who are basically allowed to go to any school for free to up diversity numbers. Students who had no business being at the school in the first place and taking advantage of #1. If schools actually admited people based on their aptitude/grades instead of what color their skin is, we would have a much lower rate of flunkies. Even then, I would rather pay someone to try and fail college then sit around on their ass collecting welfare/unemployment. You are giving the option to those who truly are in a bad situation to work themselves out of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you honestly think giving everyone a watered down liberal arts degree is going to make anyone more competitive? This just shows yet again how liberals are unable to see the actual outcome of their kneejerk, feel good bullshit. I have friends now that have 4 year degrees and can't find work. Adding more degrees into the market will devalue degrees and no one will benefit... Except the college$ and the politician$ of course. I would rather pay them to go to school for a few years then pay them unemployment to sit on their ass for a few years. Atleast the educated ones have a better chance at getting a decent job and paying taxes to help offset the cost. It's a better ROI for the country to pay for education than for people to do nothing. At least give them that option. Not everyone is a lazy welfare POS. College already has a high dropout rate. That includes people that pay out of pocket and take out loans. So all the money they spend and borrow is for nothing if they get 3 years in and dropout. Now, in your scenario where college is free-for-all. The enrollment will go up because its free and the dropouts will go up significantly, because now they have no skin in the game. If you think we have problems now, your socialist school utopia will crush this country in more ways than 1. 
The high drop out rate is 2 fold: 1. People who shouldn't be in school are there. Better that they are sitting in a free community college eating up $100 a semester hour instead of eating up $600 a semester hour and $15K a year in room&board in a higher level school. Make free school contingent on getting passing grades. 2. Minorities who are basically allowed to go to any school for free to up diversity numbers. Students who had no business being at the school in the first place and taking advantage of #1. If schools actually admited people based on their aptitude/grades instead of what color their skin is, we would have a much lower rate of flunkies. Even then, I would rather pay someone to try and fail college then sit around on their ass collecting welfare/unemployment. You are giving the option to those who truly are in a bad situation to work themselves out of it. Thank you. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:49:44 PM EDT
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In my county, if you graduate from high school, the county foots the bill for an associates degree at the local community college. I do not live in an expensive place either. Also, I have co-workers with kids graduating high school with almost a years worth of college credit by taking dual enrolment courses. At least in my locality, I'd say the kids have a pretty good thing going. The next two years after community college is on them. I'm saving for my daughter's education. Likely by the time she is college age, a bachelors degree will be the equivalent of a GED if these people get their way. Like has been mentioned here many times, colleges will not cut costs until they are forced to do so. It's supply and demand. There is huge demand because of the available loans. This will sort itself out if the government backs off and lets the market correct itself.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This problem should be easy enough to solve. Just tell these sheep that if they jump off this bridge they can get all of their debt forgiven. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_AcBUSVxs82w%2FTLEzGi88V6I%2FAAAAAAAAiMo%2FEjT9qJHtY3A%2Fs1600%2FGolden_Gate_Bridge.jpg&f=1 Why do you hate the ecology of the San Francisco Bay? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:50:13 PM EDT
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Pure unadulterated bullshit. I deal with electrical contractors and unions and apprenticeship for a living and have been for going on 20 years. Plumbers, welders, electricians, fitters, steel workers are in short supply in My AO, and it is getting worse. As for "new construction" being dead...I defy you to drive through Houston, Beaumont, Austin, DFW, San Antonio, or any major city in Texas and count less than 25 tower cranes over new buildings, as well as refineries that are being retrofitted, and LNG export terminals being built. Hell, in my home town of Corpus Christi, we have a new steel mill, a new plastics mill, a port expansion, a new hospital, and a MASSIVE expansion at our refinery. We are short about 1100 electricians in Corpus Christi...that's just THIS pissant town. I deal with 11 different electrical apprenticeship programs in Texas and the Southern USA, they are STARVING for quality applicants...and the kicker is that people either don't want to get their hands dirty, or cannot/will not pass a drug test, or they will not go where the work is. Opportunity in the skilled trades IS there...and it is not being overrun by Mexicans. People just don't want it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Learn a skill or trade in demand in or out of college ----->profit Get a degree that helps you get a job in a career that is high in demand and income ----->profit Waste time and money getting a degree in MOST of the various social science degrees (especially from private colleges) with little demand for higher income or employment --------> poor life decision = staying poor with lots of debt. Not anyone's fault except the individual. What trades or skills? Plumber? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Electrical? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Framing/Drywall? Sorry new construction is all but dead. Plus Mexicans took over most of the work. Mechanic? Cool you get to spend the same as you would going to college to go through a good mech school. Miner? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Oil & Gas? Great until commodity prices drop back down and you lose everything. Enjoy that $80K lifted brodozer before the bank repos it. Stripper? Now were on to something. One of the coveted Union trades (Pipefitter/elevator/electrical) ? Hope you know or are related to someone, otherwise you have a snowballs chance in hell. Truck Driver? NAFTA Killed a bunch of the decent paying jobs while high fuel costs squeezed out many operations. Not what it used to be. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it. I deal with electrical contractors and unions and apprenticeship for a living and have been for going on 20 years. Plumbers, welders, electricians, fitters, steel workers are in short supply in My AO, and it is getting worse. As for "new construction" being dead...I defy you to drive through Houston, Beaumont, Austin, DFW, San Antonio, or any major city in Texas and count less than 25 tower cranes over new buildings, as well as refineries that are being retrofitted, and LNG export terminals being built. Hell, in my home town of Corpus Christi, we have a new steel mill, a new plastics mill, a port expansion, a new hospital, and a MASSIVE expansion at our refinery. We are short about 1100 electricians in Corpus Christi...that's just THIS pissant town. I deal with 11 different electrical apprenticeship programs in Texas and the Southern USA, they are STARVING for quality applicants...and the kicker is that people either don't want to get their hands dirty, or cannot/will not pass a drug test, or they will not go where the work is. Opportunity in the skilled trades IS there...and it is not being overrun by Mexicans. People just don't want it. Not on the east coast. Construction is dead unless you are Clark or one of the large national/international firms (who then bring in foreign labor). I grew up around new residential and commercial construction. The economy is fucked.... there are tens of millions of sqft of vacant commercial space....so new construction is all but dead unless you are building apartments in the city (which are the big boys). It takes 4 years to become a journeyman, including night school for most of the trades. Problem is, outside of union work there is not alot out there. Good luck getting a union gig out here. You are right though about the quality of apprentices. Schools , councilors and parents need to make it known as an option to college. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:50:24 PM EDT
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Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Troll much? You are so blatantly obvious it is hilarious. The reason tuition costs are so high is because of welfare (tax funded tuition assistance). Colleges can charge whatever they want because uncle sugar is there to foot the bill. Remove ALL tax funded tuition assistance and what happens? Enrollment numbers plummet because people can't afford it. This exposes colleges for what they are...failed business models. Now in order for these colleges to survive they will need to streamline their school to cut costs and lower tuition. Some schools will close and this will allow other schools to gain students. Problem solved. Free market wins again. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:52:26 PM EDT
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We are fooked
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:52:36 PM EDT
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I didn't go, I had no loans that I payed. Should I now be forced to pay for some BLM shitbird to get a degree in advanced whining at Mizzou ? It's not MY personal greed you speak of, it's the greed of the FSA that wants to take food off of my table for their bullshit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. I didn't go, I had no loans that I payed. Should I now be forced to pay for some BLM shitbird to get a degree in advanced whining at Mizzou ? It's not MY personal greed you speak of, it's the greed of the FSA that wants to take food off of my table for their bullshit Your ALREADY paying for him. How do you think guaranteed federal loans work. If your going to pay for someone to do nothing, might as well pay for them to do something that might have a positive benefit on the nation. Might even take them out of poverty and produce a productive member of society. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:53:39 PM EDT
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Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:54:29 PM EDT
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If we are talking illegals then that is a topic for another thread. Fix that problem and the job market here will correct itself. As a country we have major problems that effect other major problem areas. Illegals effect the job market, which effects college, and so on and so forth. .GOV needs to stay out of education, overhaul the welfare state (shrink it) , fix the Illegals problem, stop using programs that people are forced to buy into that compete with the private sector (obamacare, medicare/medicaid/, social security), there's more that needs to be fixed but these are some of the top issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Way to encourage your kids. Obtaining a high demand skill to acquire high pay doesn't happen through entry level jobs outside of high school. Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. College is a must. The key is to acquire a high demand skill while there. Or I guess you can continue to work 2 jobs for the rest of your life. Jeez... Yeah. All those tradesmen with their degrees laying brick, pulling conduit, running cable, etc.. Urine idyit They are called Mexicans. Go to any Jobsite and you can watch them work. Hell, they are even on military bases fulfilling contracts. I had trouble getting on some bases to do side work WHILE being a FED/holding a clearance yet people who can't speak english get free roam? If we are talking illegals then that is a topic for another thread. Fix that problem and the job market here will correct itself. As a country we have major problems that effect other major problem areas. Illegals effect the job market, which effects college, and so on and so forth. .GOV needs to stay out of education, overhaul the welfare state (shrink it) , fix the Illegals problem, stop using programs that people are forced to buy into that compete with the private sector (obamacare, medicare/medicaid/, social security), there's more that needs to be fixed but these are some of the top issues. Your 100% right. If all the other problems were solved, it would be a moot point. But lets be real, whats the probability we kick out 50 million illegals or just stop medicare/welfare/obamacare? Just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:56:58 PM EDT
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Troll much? You are so blatantly obvious it is hilarious. The reason tuition costs are so high is because of welfare (tax funded tuition assistance). Colleges can charge whatever they want because uncle sugar is there to foot the bill. Remove ALL tax funded tuition assistance and what happens? Enrollment numbers plummet because people can't afford it. This exposes colleges for what they are...failed business models. Now in order for these colleges to survive they will need to streamline their school to cut costs and lower tuition. Some schools will close and this will allow other schools to gain students. Problem solved. Free market wins again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Troll much? You are so blatantly obvious it is hilarious. The reason tuition costs are so high is because of welfare (tax funded tuition assistance). Colleges can charge whatever they want because uncle sugar is there to foot the bill. Remove ALL tax funded tuition assistance and what happens? Enrollment numbers plummet because people can't afford it. This exposes colleges for what they are...failed business models. Now in order for these colleges to survive they will need to streamline their school to cut costs and lower tuition. Some schools will close and this will allow other schools to gain students. Problem solved. Free market wins again. You are saying exactly what I just said with the exception of free community college (that is already all but subsidized by the state/county/feds). |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And only a fool would give a 17/18 year old a blank check and tell them to be responsible. Just like banks who give out $250K loans for a 17 year old to buy a brand new red Lamborghini with no ability to pay it back? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lack of discipline and lifestyle greed is what caused the inflation in the first place. Ain't no one tell them to take the max amount and squander it living on campus and buying a new car. If they're not smart enough to figure out how to fund it, maybe they shouldn't be going to college. And only a fool would give a 17/18 year old a blank check and tell them to be responsible. Just like banks who give out $250K loans for a 17 year old to buy a brand new red Lamborghini with no ability to pay it back? That's the problem free schooling, is the government giving them a blank check to do anything without a set $ figure. Is it responsible for a student to have $120,000 in debt? or is it ok for them to deplete $120,000 in resources. There's already tons of resources for students to reduce costs for an education. The main problems are that they are too lazy to apply themselves and/or their GPA is too low. Neither of which should be anyone else's concern. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:57:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:59:05 PM EDT
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Oh golly gee... look at the artwork. Raised fist. Workers of the world unite, workers strength, workers struggles... oh how I wonder who ever might be funding the signs and other aspects of this "protest/ rally"? Anyone found a list of donors/ support orgs for this yet? I have a few guesses... |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:01:09 PM EDT
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That's the problem free schooling, is the government giving them a blank check to do anything without a set $ figure. Is it responsible for a student to have $120,000 in debt? or is it ok for them to deplete $120,000 in resources. There's already tons of resources for students to reduce costs for an education. The main problems are that they are too lazy to apply themselves and/or their GPA is too low. Neither of which should be anyone else's concern. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lack of discipline and lifestyle greed is what caused the inflation in the first place. Ain't no one tell them to take the max amount and squander it living on campus and buying a new car. If they're not smart enough to figure out how to fund it, maybe they shouldn't be going to college. And only a fool would give a 17/18 year old a blank check and tell them to be responsible. Just like banks who give out $250K loans for a 17 year old to buy a brand new red Lamborghini with no ability to pay it back? That's the problem free schooling, is the government giving them a blank check to do anything without a set $ figure. Is it responsible for a student to have $120,000 in debt? or is it ok for them to deplete $120,000 in resources. There's already tons of resources for students to reduce costs for an education. The main problems are that they are too lazy to apply themselves and/or their GPA is too low. Neither of which should be anyone else's concern. Sorry, I'm too white and to male to qualify. If it wasn't for the GI bill and uncle sugga picking up the tab, I would have had about $80K in student loans for 4.5years at one of the better state/public universities. How do they reduce costs? Where do you think Pell grants come from? Ever see how much housing is around a school? Parking if your lucky? Get gov loans/grants out of the picture and 90% of the problem will solve itself. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:02:06 PM EDT
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My only consolation is that after the USA capsizes under the mountain of debt that these idiots and their cohorts created, they'll be the first to starve.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:06:16 PM EDT
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"yet students have to take on crippling debt in order to get a college education,"
No...they don't. There are many avenues to avoid crippling student loan debt. Tuition for 2 years at community college + two years at a state school in Iowa is approx. $24k ($23,754) That is hardly crippling. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. Quote HistoryGone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. This is true. Unless you are member of the UAW (or a government worker) starting with a HS education or equivalent and having a low-skill, high paying job for life is rare. College is not a must. Having marketable skills OR college is a must. This is even MORE TRUE. Just "going to college" does not guarantee any greater marketability for a decent paying job. For every person graduating with a degree in IT, Engineering or the medical field, we have 3 graduating with useless degrees in Women's Studies, English Literature, et. al. In 2011, 44% of grads got undergrad degrees in such highly marketable skills as philosophy, journalism, and foreign languages. Many of those persons have spent a TON of money on what amounts to a "hobby education", where they learned some possibly interesting, but useless, in formation. And they wonder why they are unemployed and in debt up to their eyeballs. They would have been MUCH better off taking a FRACTION of the cost of college and become trained in a skill that will pay a decent wage. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:11:05 PM EDT
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This is true. Unless you are member of the UAW (or a government worker) starting with a HS education or equivalent and having a low-skill, high paying job for life is rare. This is even MORE TRUE. Just "going to college" does not guarantee any greater marketability for a decent paying job. For every person graduating with a degree in IT, Engineering or the medical field, we have 3 graduating with useless degrees in Women's Studies, English Literature, et. al. In 2011, 44% of grads got undergrad degrees in such highly marketable skills as philosophy, journalism, and foreign languages. Many of those persons have spent a TON of money on what amounts to a "hobby education", where they learned some possibly interesting, but useless, in formation. And they wonder why they are unemployed and in debt up to their eyeballs. They would have been MUCH better off taking a FRACTION of the cost of college and become trained in a skill that will pay a decent wage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. This is true. Unless you are member of the UAW (or a government worker) starting with a HS education or equivalent and having a low-skill, high paying job for life is rare. College is not a must. Having marketable skills OR college is a must. This is even MORE TRUE. Just "going to college" does not guarantee any greater marketability for a decent paying job. For every person graduating with a degree in IT, Engineering or the medical field, we have 3 graduating with useless degrees in Women's Studies, English Literature, et. al. In 2011, 44% of grads got undergrad degrees in such highly marketable skills as philosophy, journalism, and foreign languages. Many of those persons have spent a TON of money on what amounts to a "hobby education", where they learned some possibly interesting, but useless, in formation. And they wonder why they are unemployed and in debt up to their eyeballs. They would have been MUCH better off taking a FRACTION of the cost of college and become trained in a skill that will pay a decent wage. Bullshit. I've done it, The brothers I work for did it, and most of my friends have done or are doing it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:38:48 PM EDT
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"yet students have to take on crippling debt in order to get a college education," No...they don't. There are many avenues to avoid crippling student loan debt. Tuition for 2 years at community college + two years at a state school in Iowa is approx. $24k ($23,754) That is hardly crippling. Assuming they have somewhere to live, someone paying for their food and transportation. Not to mention things like insurance. It's not cheap to live. Not to mention every state is not the same. In places like NJ, it is cheaper to go out of state to MD/DE than to stay in state. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:39:29 PM EDT
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Lets see: Guaranteed 50-150K loans the person can't ever pay back Lack of jobs or unwilling to take a job because most of their check will be garnished for failure to pay a loan. Know how much a 80K loan costs @ 6%-8% interest? One that you can actually pay of in under 10/15 years? People on unemployment due to lack of jobs. VS. Gov paying about 1/4 to to 1/3 of what they are currently subsidizing. Overall cost of education going down due to lack of easy subsidized loans Young adults who graduate with little debt and can take a job for less money and live off it. This results in more tax revenue to offset the cost. Higher percentage of the poulation finishes school vs quits due to cost. Even those that do quit, won't be saddled with 10's of thousands in debt with no degree to help with earning the payback. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All this does is take the money away from the schools and lenders and helps brings costs back down to reality. It will probably cost less in tax dollars. Without the massive debt, the kids can take lower paying jobs and pay taxes instead of sitting around collecting unemployment. Awww.....don't laugh man, it's adorable. Lets see: Guaranteed 50-150K loans the person can't ever pay back Lack of jobs or unwilling to take a job because most of their check will be garnished for failure to pay a loan. Know how much a 80K loan costs @ 6%-8% interest? One that you can actually pay of in under 10/15 years? People on unemployment due to lack of jobs. VS. Gov paying about 1/4 to to 1/3 of what they are currently subsidizing. Overall cost of education going down due to lack of easy subsidized loans Young adults who graduate with little debt and can take a job for less money and live off it. This results in more tax revenue to offset the cost. Higher percentage of the poulation finishes school vs quits due to cost. Even those that do quit, won't be saddled with 10's of thousands in debt with no degree to help with earning the payback. Stop it man!  You're killing me here!
Ahahahahaha! "Government paying the bill will make something cheaper!" Ahahahaha! Good one man! 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:47:59 PM EDT
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Assuming they have somewhere to live, someone paying for their food and transportation. Not to mention things like insurance. It's not cheap to live. Not to mention every state is not the same. In places like NJ, it is cheaper to go out of state to MD/DE than to stay in state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"yet students have to take on crippling debt in order to get a college education," No...they don't. There are many avenues to avoid crippling student loan debt. Tuition for 2 years at community college + two years at a state school in Iowa is approx. $24k ($23,754) That is hardly crippling. Assuming they have somewhere to live, someone paying for their food and transportation. Not to mention things like insurance. It's not cheap to live. Not to mention every state is not the same. In places like NJ, it is cheaper to go out of state to MD/DE than to stay in state. Gee they just might have to get a part time job to cover some of those costs huh? Nah, can't ask those special snowflakes to do that can we. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? OK. Let's say we DO offer "free" or subsidized higher education in the name of investing in the American workforce.. You suggest the intent of this would be to raise the competitveness of the American workforce in the world market. If that is the case, then we certainly WOULD NOT pay for degrees in "women's studies" or "sociology" or other programs that do NOTHING to help America compete in the world market. You don't "invest" in things that have no useful value, now or in the future! |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:52:50 PM EDT
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I had some student loans from college.
I paid them off. Do I get a refund now? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat the fuck is it with all the black power fists and "demands"? Fuck these slags. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:55:38 PM EDT
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Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So am I going to get a check back because I decided it was a good idea to pay off my student loans decades before maturity? Why is everyone so selfish about what they paid? Most people who have already paid also didn't have the insane education costs we do now. I paid my student loans back in full and still support student loan forgiveness. I don't want one cent back. Its a crooked broken system. Just because it doesn't personally benefit me doesn't mean its a bad idea. People need to look past their personal greed and see the situation for what it is. THE STRUGGLE IS REAL! No, really. Occupy Wall Street fell flat on it's face because "progressives" are fucking retarded. Then they tried Occupy Black Wall Lives Street Matter and that hasn't gained the traction they hoped for. Now, they're just going back to the 'ol playbook of college protests with the thought that it worked in the 60's so maybe it will work now. It is indeed a struggle to be a fucktard collectivist in the greatest country and economy in the world, despite the best efforts of the fucktard collectivists to destroy it. #feeltheburn |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:56:13 PM EDT
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Be careful what you wish for, kids. If someone else is paying for your education, they get to set the rules regarding what you study and how you are assessed. They will probably expect you to work off that college debt. The State needs more aerospace engineers, not women's studies majors. Do you have a newsletter? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:58:10 PM EDT
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Bullshit. I've done it, The brothers I work for did it, and most of my friends have done or are doing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gone are they days of working your way up in a manufacturing plant. This is true. Unless you are member of the UAW (or a government worker) starting with a HS education or equivalent and having a low-skill, high paying job for life is rare. Bullshit. I've done it, The brothers I work for did it, and most of my friends have done or are doing it. What part is the bullshit? The working your way up in a manufacturing plant? If that is the case, notice I did not say it is NONEXISTANT, merely that it is RARE (read that harder than it used to be). Many, (but NOT ALL) manufacturing jobs have moved out of the US. It's not that they don't exist here any longer, it's just that they are not as prolific as once was the case. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:00:33 PM EDT
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That's cool. They can walk out. I'll stay in class and get personalized instruction and a swing on my grade for not being an entitled bitch. It's sad when basic respect for instructors, attendance at all classes with no tardies, reading the text before the class, and completing all homework sets you apart from everyone else. But, but, but... FREE STUFF!!! Muh right!!! Demand!! |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:01:05 PM EDT
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. Write your own check. No one has any business writing others' checks. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:01:14 PM EDT
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:02:58 PM EDT
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What is this one called? How about "Million Moron March"?
  
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:05:10 PM EDT
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OK. Let's say we DO offer "free" or subsidized higher education in the name of investing in the American workforce.. You suggest the intent of this would be to raise the competitveness of the American workforce in the world market. If that is the case, then we certainly WOULD NOT pay for degrees in "women's studies" or "sociology" or other programs that do NOTHING to help America compete in the world market. You don't "invest" in things that have no useful value, now or in the future! Quote HistoryQuoted:
The question you need to ask yourself is, are we better off with a higher or lower educated populace? The rest of the world is gaining ground and unless we stay competitive (not just ivy league and top10% schools) we are going to lose out of jobs both here and abroad. Of all the money the gov pisses away, spending money on a decent education that will not enslave young adults with debt is hardly the worst thing. What would you rather spend tax dollars on? Education or FMS? Education or Welfare? Education or Bailing out auto manuf/wall street? OK. Let's say we DO offer "free" or subsidized higher education in the name of investing in the American workforce.. You suggest the intent of this would be to raise the competitveness of the American workforce in the world market. If that is the case, then we certainly WOULD NOT pay for degrees in "women's studies" or "sociology" or other programs that do NOTHING to help America compete in the world market. You don't "invest" in things that have no useful value, now or in the future! I agree with you 100% |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:05:46 PM EDT
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Education is a right? Exactly. 
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right.  If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, I'm too white and to male to qualify. If it wasn't for the GI bill and uncle sugga picking up the tab, I would have had about $80K in student loans for 4.5years at one of the better state/public universities. How do they reduce costs? Where do you think Pell grants come from? Ever see how much housing is around a school? Parking if your lucky? Get gov loans/grants out of the picture and 90% of the problem will solve itself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lack of discipline and lifestyle greed is what caused the inflation in the first place. Ain't no one tell them to take the max amount and squander it living on campus and buying a new car. If they're not smart enough to figure out how to fund it, maybe they shouldn't be going to college. And only a fool would give a 17/18 year old a blank check and tell them to be responsible. Just like banks who give out $250K loans for a 17 year old to buy a brand new red Lamborghini with no ability to pay it back? That's the problem free schooling, is the government giving them a blank check to do anything without a set $ figure. Is it responsible for a student to have $120,000 in debt? or is it ok for them to deplete $120,000 in resources. There's already tons of resources for students to reduce costs for an education. The main problems are that they are too lazy to apply themselves and/or their GPA is too low. Neither of which should be anyone else's concern. Sorry, I'm too white and to male to qualify. If it wasn't for the GI bill and uncle sugga picking up the tab, I would have had about $80K in student loans for 4.5years at one of the better state/public universities. How do they reduce costs? Where do you think Pell grants come from? Ever see how much housing is around a school? Parking if your lucky? Get gov loans/grants out of the picture and 90% of the problem will solve itself. You will always have these lazy people complaining, and wanting free things to cover for their poor decision making. Who says that the student has to live in over priced housing or have to park at the closest garage. Or even go to College in the first place. There's the CLEP, DANTES, experience equivalence, and placement testing can eliminate a large portions of an undergrad degree. Community college transfer equivalence is also a great money saver. There's plenty of tuition reimbursement and scholarships out there that are not govt funded. Not sure why reducing cost always has to have a direct link to govt spending. Brainwashing perhaps... Play it smart and the costs for undergrad is not that bad, it just takes some work. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:08:09 PM EDT
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Write your own check. No one has any business writing others' checks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. Write your own check. No one has any business writing others' checks. You already paying for it VIA taxes. The difference is the money YOU are paying in taxes would not be going to private companies who are the equivalent of loan sharks. Oh yea, and when the loan goes bad the gov pays them. Its a racket. Since the gov is paying for it anyway, rather the students come away debt free than some private entity raking in Billions while risking nothing. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:08:27 PM EDT
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So, modern American universities turning out little commie cocksuckers who are so vapid as to believe in free shit is surprising....how again?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:09:17 PM EDT
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Gee they just might have to get a part time job to cover some of those costs huh? Nah, can't ask those special snowflakes to do that can we. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"yet students have to take on crippling debt in order to get a college education," No...they don't. There are many avenues to avoid crippling student loan debt. Tuition for 2 years at community college + two years at a state school in Iowa is approx. $24k ($23,754) That is hardly crippling. Assuming they have somewhere to live, someone paying for their food and transportation. Not to mention things like insurance. It's not cheap to live. Not to mention every state is not the same. In places like NJ, it is cheaper to go out of state to MD/DE than to stay in state. Gee they just might have to get a part time job to cover some of those costs huh? Nah, can't ask those special snowflakes to do that can we. That's part of the problem these fucks want everything handed to them. Back 20 years ago when I was going to college I took all late evening and night classes. I got up at 5 in the morning and worked doing construction and roofing until about 2 in the afternoon and then went to school until 10 or so. I did this for 3 years and had money to spend on the side and bought my first house at 22, which I flipped 3 years later for a profit of 100k. I know every older generation thinks the one coming up behind is lazy and and has no morals or work ethic. I have mentored with Big brother Big sister in my area for the last 6 years as well as being involved heavily in the local high school football scene. These kids make me wonder if they even have a brain in their head. I've tried to teach them about money, cooking, taking care of themselves and it honestly gets very frustrating at times. it's almost like their parents haven't taught them anything. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:09:46 PM EDT
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Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:10:09 PM EDT
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Since the gov is paying for it anyway, rather the students come away debt free than some private entity raking in Billions while risking nothing. Where does the gov get it's money? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:12:09 PM EDT
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These snowflakes need an economics lesson.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow. They out themselves as Commies big time in the comments. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:14:39 PM EDT
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No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Government providing free education for everyone will not make our population any more educated than it is, and will more than likely have the opposite effect while also putting us more in debt and furthering the socialist agenda.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:15:01 PM EDT
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HOLY FUCK.
People are fucking stupid. No amount of "education" is going to help them. What they've got is terminal. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:15:59 PM EDT
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No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. It's also ignoring basic understanding of human nature to believe that if you give someone something for free that they will take care of it. If you give it to everyone as a right you dilute its effectiveness and its value. It will just turn into high school part two. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:17:57 PM EDT
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Brilliant! We should call it the Basic Living Stipend, and rename D.C. "Nouveau Paris." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should just make everything free. and pay everyone 100K a year. Brilliant! We should call it the Basic Living Stipend, and rename D.C. "Nouveau Paris." I think I see what you did here. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:22:00 PM EDT
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You already paying for it VIA taxes. The difference is the money YOU are paying in taxes would not be going to private companies who are the equivalent of loan sharks. Oh yea, and when the loan goes bad the gov pays them. Its a racket. Since the gov is paying for it anyway, rather the students come away debt free than some private entity raking in Billions while risking nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. Write your own check. No one has any business writing others' checks. You already paying for it VIA taxes. The difference is the money YOU are paying in taxes would not be going to private companies who are the equivalent of loan sharks. Oh yea, and when the loan goes bad the gov pays them. Its a racket. Since the gov is paying for it anyway, rather the students come away debt free than some private entity raking in Billions while risking nothing. The correct answer is for that tax $$$ (or my descendants') to stay in my pocket. Some of you also need to reflect on why our economy isn't so great and why there isn't as much manufacturing here. It's largely due to useful idiots voting against the separation of economy and state. Think about it for a few minutes and if you can't see the specific causes, then please deport yourself.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:27:44 PM EDT
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Brothers,
Let us band together and March for free Team Memberships on December 12. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:30:11 PM EDT
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No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:34:27 PM EDT
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Hmmm, pay for yourself once or pay for everybody for ever. Dumb fucks.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:36:20 PM EDT
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Tax Revenue, Printing Press (while paying the Fed the Privlege) and Selling treasuries to foreign nations/interest.
Let me guess? The gov is going to stop spending all of a sudden too? |
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