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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:19:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet, generations of Americans a century ago organized and fought for that very thing, and were delighted when they got it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The five day, eight hour work week is the biggest timesuck every devised by man or beast. Yeah, as opposed to working 6 12s or some shit lol. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: USA Today reports it, so it must not be true. I'm an employer, and if I could pay my guys the same hourly or even a little more to get the same amount of work done in 35 hours I would ABSOLUTELY do it. Why would I not? Not only that but you'll likely have an easier time attracting new hires, have happier and healthier employees, and in turn better employee retention so you spend less time hiring and training and more time producing. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll remember that when people are calling about their loved ones dying at home. Sorry already worked 4 days this week, guess I'll see you Monday. Pants on head retarded shit from people who sit behind computers and are paid to "think". If only it were possible to schedule some people to work while others are off. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:22:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only that but you'll likely have an easier time attracting new hires, have happier and healthier employees, and in turn better employee retention so you spend less time hiring and training and more time producing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: USA Today reports it, so it must not be true. I'm an employer, and if I could pay my guys the same hourly or even a little more to get the same amount of work done in 35 hours I would ABSOLUTELY do it. Why would I not? Not only that but you'll likely have an easier time attracting new hires, have happier and healthier employees, and in turn better employee retention so you spend less time hiring and training and more time producing. You know, I might actually be able to make it work. I should look more closely at it and see if the guys are interested. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:23:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only it were possible to schedule some people to work while others are off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll remember that when people are calling about their loved ones dying at home. Sorry already worked 4 days this week, guess I'll see you Monday. Pants on head retarded shit from people who sit behind computers and are paid to "think". If only it were possible to schedule some people to work while others are off. We don't have the technology to accomplish something like that. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense to me. 4 ten hour days is logically more productive than 5 eights. That's 20% fewer groggy mornings, and 50% more weekend fun time. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll remember that when people are calling about their loved ones dying at home. Sorry already worked 4 days this week, guess I'll see you Monday. Pants on head retarded shit from people who sit behind computers and are paid to "think". Well, somebody has to be paid to think because OBVIOUSLY you're not lol. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please read the article and stop talking about 4 10 hour shifts. They reduced it to 4 9 hour shifts or less, effectively stating that a 40 hour work week is not needed for productivity. Sounds great, but do they ignore the part that most customer service is not about productivity alone and requires availability? OMG customer service will be cut if we cut the work week!?!?!? Relax, certain industries will always be available 24/7. Example, right now you can have a plumber show up to your house at 8pm Sunday to fix to your busted pipe. That’s not going to go away. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG customer service will be cut if we cut the work week!?!?!? Relax, certain industries will always be available 24/7. Example, right now you can have a plumber show up to your house at 8pm Sunday to fix to your busted pipe. That’s not going to go away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please read the article and stop talking about 4 10 hour shifts. They reduced it to 4 9 hour shifts or less, effectively stating that a 40 hour work week is not needed for productivity. Sounds great, but do they ignore the part that most customer service is not about productivity alone and requires availability? OMG customer service will be cut if we cut the work week!?!?!? Relax, certain industries will always be available 24/7. Example, right now you can have a plumber show up to your house at 8pm Sunday to fix to your busted pipe. That’s not going to go away. Alternatively, people could...I dunno...work different shifts to cover M-F 9-5? |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 hours makes for a long work day. A few weeks of that will drag on you especially when you no longer make overtime past the 8 hour mark which is a psychological motivator. However, having 3 days off would be awesome. Not entirely sure which way I'd prefer. I've been on five-12s plus occasional Saturday for six-weeks now. Coworkers stopped giving a damn about productivity weeks ago and turnover is 80%. I'd much prefer three-12s or four-9s or 10s. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been on five-12s plus occasional Saturday for six-weeks now. Coworkers stopped giving a damn about productivity weeks ago and turnover is 80%. 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:49:34 PM EDT
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Too much of the "American work ethic" involves suffering as a virtue, and it's on display in this thread. Suffering in the form of a long commute and long hours and lots of employment theater, usually going hand in hand with some sort of gay "we work hard and play hard" saying...Which really means we work hard and then drink a lot to numb the pain.
I'm not talking about paying your dues for a short period, as part of an agreed upon win/win arrangement with an employer. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, I might actually be able to make it work. I should look more closely at it and see if the guys are interested. Another missing factor in employee productivity we haven't touched on but absolutely comes into play is motivators/incentive. If you offer less hours for same pay, and it's contingent upon output being the same or better, then you've incentivized people to work harder and make better use of their resources for their own benefit, and yours. Absolutely every job I've ever had where I busted my ass above and beyond had a carrot for doing so. And, alternatively, when they've been neglectful or didn't pay attention to my efforts, I let off the gas because why bother? Fuck them. It's, again, no shitty sherlocky. People are people. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:52:16 PM EDT
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I found then to be a pain in the ass. The rest of the world is not on your same schedule, and that one day off is when others you are dealing with would be contacting you, etc.
It may be beneficial in many cases, but it's also a detriment to others. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:52:41 PM EDT
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If you want 40 hours, 4 tens is vastly superior to 5 eights in my experience.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:54:52 PM EDT
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I work on my own more flexible schedule... so it's sporadic, but taking off Fridays is pretty common.
I'm for it. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are we paying attention to a study about productivity from a country that doesn't produce much of anything? That being said, I agree with the premise, for most jobs anyway. Iceland has one of the highest GDP per capita figures in the world, you know that right? They also arent a tiny little tax haven for the elite to launder money to (Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, etc.) or a sparsely populated petro-state (Norway, Qatar), they are a diversified economy. They make a fuckton of aluminum too. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:59:11 PM EDT
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I'd love to have every Wednesday off and not take a pay cut. Work 2 days, get a break during the week when everything is open, then work 2 days, get a 2 day break, etc. That would be great.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 1:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another missing factor in employee productivity we haven't touched on but absolutely comes into play is motivators/incentive. If you offer less hours for same pay, and it's contingent upon output being the same or better, then you've incentivized people to work harder and make better use of their resources for their own benefit, and yours. Absolutely every job I've ever had where I busted my ass above and beyond had a carrot for doing so. And, alternatively, when they've been neglectful or didn't pay attention to my efforts, I let off the gas because why bother? Fuck them. It's, again, no shitty sherlocky. People are people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know, I might actually be able to make it work. I should look more closely at it and see if the guys are interested. Another missing factor in employee productivity we haven't touched on but absolutely comes into play is motivators/incentive. If you offer less hours for same pay, and it's contingent upon output being the same or better, then you've incentivized people to work harder and make better use of their resources for their own benefit, and yours. Absolutely every job I've ever had where I busted my ass above and beyond had a carrot for doing so. And, alternatively, when they've been neglectful or didn't pay attention to my efforts, I let off the gas because why bother? Fuck them. It's, again, no shitty sherlocky. People are people. Yup, I've had trouble finding someone recently. I think I finally found a guy yesterday, but he asked if he could have Wed and Sun off instead of Sat-Sun...I could tell he was hesitant to ask, and I could hear the relief when I said "I really don't care what days you work to be honest, it's all the same to me". I bet I would have had a MUCH easier time finding someone w/ 4 days of 9 hours. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:00:04 PM EDT
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4x10 master race checking in (nuke plant.) Get enough overtime during outage 2 months out of the year 6x12's.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense to me. 4 ten hour days is logically more productive than 5 eights. That's 20% fewer groggy mornings, and 50% more weekend fun time. Sounds like they propose closer to four eight hour days at the same pay. Amazing that people would prefer that. I would have NEVER guessed that outcome. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or your management was incompetent. It hurts the feelz of the GD international megacorp fellator brigade, but something like 80-90% of production problems are the fault of poor management. Mathematically proven by Deming... which the Japanese manufacturers used to whoop our asses. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:10:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're talking about human beings, not a printing press with a speed control. People, across the spectrum, are only so able to maintain a level of concentration, decision making, physical output and motivation. Where that tipping point is gets to the heart of what I started this thread to illustrate, but it's pretty demonstrably and empirically true that people are able to be more productive in shorter bursts than during long slogs. Is it wrong to want to find that magic number and maximize the benefit for everyone? Too Eurofaggy to talk about it? If you don't sacrifice yourself for the greater good of the corporation, you are a communist. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd love to have every Wednesday off and not take a pay cut. Work 2 days, get a break during the week when everything is open, then work 2 days, get a 2 day break, etc. That would be great. That's how I worked 4's many years ago...but it was Sunday/Monday on, off Tuesday, work Wednesday/Thursday, off for Friday/Saturday. I absolutely loved it....would have stayed at that job forever, it really was great but the company got bought and the new owners immediately scrapped all the shift assignments and went to 8's and 12's (12's being on fixed intervals, so some employees essentially never got a weekend off). The turnover was brutal. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense to me. 4 ten hour days is logically more productive than 5 eights. That's 20% fewer groggy mornings, and 50% more weekend fun time. This. I'd kill to be on a 4 10s schedule, if my 3 days off were in a row I'd kill twice. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:14:40 PM EDT
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I would give my left nut for a four day work week
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:16:09 PM EDT
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Soooo......who feeds the livestock the other 3 days a week?
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:18:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no problem with 4 day work weeks for people that actually do their job... BUT___ The same people who milk the clock on a 40 hour work week, will milk the clock on a 36 hour work week. Some people just have to feel they are "getting over" on their employer, and co-workers. It is called time theft. You know, the fuckers that show up late, take an extra 1/2 hour for lunch, and leave early every day. Everybody else in the group has to take up their work... "Do me a solid"?? Fuck you. Do it yourself. Rant over. 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:22:56 PM EDT
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Sounds like typical millennial “I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less” bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don’t like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There’s a reason that there are employees, and there are owners.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial “I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less” bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don’t like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees have to show up at, or do anything. Just pay them for being special. There’s a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:28:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soooo......who feeds the livestock the other 3 days a week? Obviously a one-man operation at the stevelish farm. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:29:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial “I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less” bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don’t like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There’s a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial "I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less" bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don't like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There's a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. There's the GD I know and love. It's like walking into a porn theater and seeing the jizz on the floor. You expect it, it's not what you really want to see, but it just wouldn't be a porn theater without some baby batter on your Nike's. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial "I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less" bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don't like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There's a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. found the boomer! |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:32:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial “I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less” bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don’t like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There’s a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. WE'RE REACHING LEVELS OF BOOMER THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT IMPOSSIBLE |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:34:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We're talking about human beings, not a printing press with a speed control. People, across the spectrum, are only so able to maintain a level of concentration, decision making, physical output and motivation. Where that tipping point is gets to the heart of what I started this thread to illustrate, but it's pretty demonstrably and empirically true that people are able to be more productive in shorter bursts than during long slogs. Is it wrong to want to find that magic number and maximize the benefit for everyone? Too Eurofaggy to talk about it? In general I would agree, but each individual circumstance is different which is why general conclusions will always have exceptions. You can't have human beings are not machines and also have humans are the most productive when the work 8.75 hours per day for 4 days. Just because most people would be happy with that doesn't mean it works for everybody. Managers, manage a schedule while leaders, develop a productive team that finds a good balance for all. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:35:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense to me. 4 ten hour days is logically more productive than 5 eights. That's 20% fewer groggy mornings, and 50% more weekend fun time. Correct. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:35:34 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial “I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less” bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don’t like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There’s a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. Anymore than a 30 hour work week and it starts cutting into my video game time. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:35:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: WE'RE REACHING LEVELS OF BOOMER THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT IMPOSSIBLE If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:36:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like typical millennial "I deserve more/just as much pay for doing/being here less" bs to me. You want paid? You do the job you signed up for, whatever those hours may be. Don't like it? Find a different job for your creampuff sensitivity expectations. Or, or...start your own business and run it to where no employees ever have to show up, or do anything at all. Just pay them for being special. There's a reason that there are employees, and there are owners. Go drink your Ensure, shut up, and sit in the corner, I'll change your Depends later. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:36:48 PM EDT
[#42]
5 day work weeks are for people who can't think of 4 excuses a month.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:37:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. He died at 50, and was a miserable unhealthy wreck. Not going down like that. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:38:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WE'RE REACHING LEVELS OF BOOMER THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT IMPOSSIBLE If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. THAT'S SOME MILLENNIAL BULLSHIT REAL MEN WORK NO LESS THAN 12 HOURS A DAY AND HATE THEIR WIVES My favorite part is how we're discussing working fewer HOURS but producing the SAME RESULTS then Ultra Boomer comes in here with verbal diarrhea talking about paying people to be special, when in fact people without reading comprehension problems realize we're talking about paying people to do more work in less time, which is a win-win for everyone. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:40:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WE'RE REACHING LEVELS OF BOOMER THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT IMPOSSIBLE If we could harness the Power of Boomer, we could power industry with it. 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week, no dental or vision. nah man, 8 hour shifts are pussy hours for boomers. they thrive on 12+ hour shifts... |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:40:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In general I would agree, but each individual circumstance is different which is why general conclusions will always have exceptions. You can't have human beings are not machines and also have humans are the most productive when the work 8.75 hours per day for 4 days. Just because most people would be happy with that doesn't mean it works for everybody. Managers, manage a schedule while leaders, develop a productive team that finds a good balance for all. Throwing out a mostly positive trend because of outliers is terrible thinking, tho. If it works for most people, then it's a good baseline, that's really what the whole point here is. We shouldn't start with the assumption that people should be working long hours and that's the maximal productive state and then adjust willy nilly. We should assume most human beings do better with some work life balance, and are more productive when they have it, and then allow that sometimes under some conditions (like surgeons and long haul truckers) you need people to be able to hang in there and recruit those individuals who thrive under that. Most people do not. In almost every study I've seen where people were incentivized to work harder with more free time, they thrived and the business did not encounter a negative impact to their output or bottom line. It's hard to believe that's a controversial opinion, because occupational studies have backed it up since the dawn of occupational studies, but here we are. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:40:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Gen X.
Just raised with good worth ethic. Honest days pay for honest days work. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:41:16 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 hours makes for a long work day. A few weeks of that will drag on you especially when you no longer make overtime past the 8 hour mark which is a psychological motivator. However, having 3 days off would be awesome. Not entirely sure which way I'd prefer. I work the same 3 12s in a row every week. It's awesome. Midnights too. Often I have nothing at all to do, and I make a decent salary. Past year and a half have been from home. 20 times better. Have to go back half to the office half time now starting this week. I'm job hunting but won't leave unless I find a similarly awesome schedule or fully remote. Preferrably both. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:41:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen X. Just raised with good worth ethic. Honest days pay for honest days work. Boomer is a state of mind, and nobody is talking about anything less than an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. You aren't comprehending what's being discussed here clearly. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 2:42:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a chuckle out of the article. Not sure how working less hours would make me and my coworkers more productive. If the wheels aren't turning on a commercial vehicle it's not being productive. In these threads it's always hilarious. People with the most basic jobs chiming in on how other people should have to work just like they do. You don't understand. It's ok. Bless your heart. |
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