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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:58:53 AM EDT
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My dad, who is a stage 4 cancer victim and has his spine bone literally turning into tumors, was prescribed Tramadol by the ER doctors. They wouldn't give him anything stronger because of the "opioid crisis." When he was able to get to his "real" doctor, they promptly put him on Methadone and Morphine. Prior to the ER he had been talking Dilaudid. To those who aren't familiar with those drugs, Tramadol is an opioid about as strong as Tylenol. Imagine somebody crushing your spinal cord with pliers and the ER giving you Tylenol. I get that some people are addicted, but this bullshit is fucking insane... torturing a 70 year old man who has terminal cancer because you're afraid that he might get addicted to the painkillers. Also, fuck cancer and FBHO. Between my shoulder surgery and my hip surgery, which is like 4 years, the law changed so I got a limited amount of post-surgery pain medication. It wasn't a big deal as I was off in less than a week anyway. They limit how much percocet/oxycontin that a doctor can prescribe. I'm amazed they didn't prescribe something stronger. I know the healthcare facilities are trying to limit access to opioids by medical staff because nurses and doctors have been caught up in diversion and/or addiction to it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:59:42 AM EDT
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Sorry for your dad and fuck cancer.
I had to beg to get 10 Tylenol 3 with codeine after my hand surgery this year. When I got them, I was afraid to take them when I was in pain because I knew I wouldn’t get anymore. Fucking stupid rules. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:02:39 AM EDT
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not nearly as bad as your dad obviously, but I broke my leg..shattered it in 2013.
They gave my Tylenol. I was writhing in pain 24/7 and they told me to deal with it. Fucking ridiculous |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:03:18 AM EDT
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My Grandmother is Stage 4 lung caner. And fuck Tramadol cause it doesn't shit for that pain. So fuck you on the opioid crises,
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:03:42 AM EDT
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Sorry about your dad OP.
The sackler family worked with their cousins in medical industry and the FDA to get opiods reclassified years ago so that you could get fetynl for back aches ans stuff, and became amounf the most wealthy. Now terminally ill suffer for this |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:07:43 AM EDT
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Over 34 years in healthcare here and I have seen the "rules" change 4 times at least. Swings from "opioids cause addiction so don't prescribe them" to ""we undertreat pain so opioids are OK. Use them"
The current epidemic has been caused by a handful of knuckleheads overprescribing to line their pockets, The overprescribing has lead to a number of deaths around the country. So now we over react and cast all prescribers into the same "guilty" pool. Sound familiar? We now have a current generation of prescribers who are both afraid to prescribe opioids responsibably, and are sanctioned by medical boards if they do, and who actually don't know how to prescribe them. Stupid is as stupid does. I probably won't live long enough to see the next swing, but it will come. old man yells at clouds |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:09:00 AM EDT
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Fuck that whole situation OP. I'm so sorry for what your Dad, your family and you are going through.
Several years ago, I had rather bad back and neck issues due to a car accident. Couldn't walk, could barely get myself to and on the toilet etc. Nothing compared to what your father is going through and opioids were all that helped in the relative short term. I don't really have any advice other than to maybe seek out a pain management Dr who can "shut off" certain nerves - maybe that could help. I'll keep him and you in my prayers. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:11:02 AM EDT
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I've said it before....
...All of these middle-aged and older boomer types are about to have a rude fucking awakening when they're all fucked up with some illness and the doctor prescribes them Advil 800mg. They literally have no idea the monster they've created with all of their 'opiods R bad, Mmmmmmkay' nonsense. Frankly, the evil side of me kind of hopes that the ones who advocated for it are forced to live in pain at some point in their lives. Unintended consequences are a mother fucker. 
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:11:30 AM EDT
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Now these are the stories I can't figure out...
I had a toothache a few months ago under a crown. It was hurting. I called my dentist and left a message. He called me back and an hour later I had a script for Oxycontin and amoxicillin waiting for me at a pharmacy. I went in to pick them up and was expecting it to be something like buying a machine gun but nope; showed ID, and walked. FWIW I thought Oxy sucked as a drug. Helped with the pain but hated the buzz. My mom in her last days a few years back was on a fentanyl patch for months. Wasn't a big deal. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:17:11 AM EDT
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I've said it before.... ...All of these middle-aged and older boomer types are about to have a rude fucking awakening when they're all fucked up with some illness and the doctor prescribes them Advil 800mg. They literally have no idea the monster they've created with all of their 'opiods R bad, Mmmmmmkay' nonsense. Frankly, the evil side of me kind of hopes that the ones who advocated for it are forced to live in pain at some point in their lives. Unintended consequences are a mother fucker. I thought both sides of your coin were being concerned about none of your business. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:17:17 AM EDT
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Over 34 years in healthcare here and I have seen the "rules" change 4 times at least. Swings from "opioids cause addiction so don't prescribe them" to ""we undertreat pain so opioids are OK. Use them" The current epidemic has been caused by a handful of knuckleheads overprescribing to line their pockets, The overprescribing has lead to a number of deaths around the country. So now we over react and cast all prescribers into the same "guilty" pool. Sound familiar? We now have a current generation of prescribers who are both afraid to prescribe opioids responsibably, and are sanctioned by medical boards if they do, and who actually don't know how to prescribe them. Stupid is as stupid does. I probably won't live long enough to see the next swing, but it will come. old man yells at clouds |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:19:19 AM EDT
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You have an evil side? I thought both sides of your coin were being concerned about none of your business. If you only knew. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:20:45 AM EDT
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The true opioid crisis is that they're damn near impossible to get through legitimate means for people that actually need them.
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:25:10 AM EDT
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All of the junkies around me are switching to Benzos, Zanny bars, and meth
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:36:27 AM EDT
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In my area doctors are still happy to prescribe me opioids like candy. I complained about possible kidney stone pain (with a specialist after an er visit the night before) and a doctor wanted to prescribe me some.
My mother-in-law was prescribed an opioid for a small wrist surgery. It makes no sense that they would limit someone with serious cancer but prescribe it for other stupid things. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:51:21 AM EDT
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The opioid crisis is bullshit.
I have ZERO care for those that OD. It is my opinion that addicts should have unfettered access to their poison of choice. All those assholes have done is make it damn near impossible for legitimate pain sufferers to get. Someone I was very close to was put through hell at least twice a year because of this BS. One "OD" story was a local teen. Dipshit's granny was in the short rows of terminal cancer. Found out, after his OD that the creep had been stealing/using and selling her pain drugs. What kind of lowlife does it take to do that? I cannot even fathom that kind of thinking. Dying granny, living her last in agony and you're getting high off something that will give her an easier way out. I grin knowing he OD'd. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:53:32 AM EDT
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My dad, who is a stage 4 cancer victim and has his spine bone literally turning into tumors, was prescribed Tramadol by the ER doctors. They wouldn't give him anything stronger because of the "opioid crisis." When he was able to get to his "real" doctor, they promptly put him on Methadone and Morphine. Prior to the ER he had been talking Dilaudid. To those who aren't familiar with those drugs, Tramadol is an opioid about as strong as Tylenol. Imagine somebody crushing your spinal cord with pliers and the ER giving you Tylenol. I get that some people are addicted, but this bullshit is fucking insane... torturing a 70 year old man who has terminal cancer because you're afraid that he might get addicted to the painkillers. Also, fuck cancer and FBHO. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:06:21 AM EDT
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The current 'epidemic' has been caused by degenerates with a lack of personal responsibility -- not doctors. Not in my opinion, at least.   Attached FileNevada certainly fits the bill though, no offense nevadans 
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:11:23 AM EDT
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I broke a tooth a little over a week ago on friday, 6am. Called every dentist in town, no one could see me until Monday, but i was having the worst pain ive ever felt in my life, up to puking after all the ibuprofen and advil i could find and soaking the tooth in lidocaine.
I made it my mission to go to every urgent care until someone gave me pills, as i jave recently moved and havent gotten a new GP. With this "opiate crisis" i thought it would be difficult. I told the second place exactly what was going on, had a script for 20 7.5's and penicillin 20 minutes later. Ive been in car wrecks and injured my back so bad i couldnt walk in recent years and never got more than tramadol(which helped then, but this tooth pain had me on my knees). |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:15:28 AM EDT
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Sorry for your dad and fuck cancer. I had to beg to get 10 Tylenol 3 with codeine after my hand surgery this year. When I got them, I was afraid to take them when I was in pain because I knew I wouldn’t get anymore. Fucking stupid rules. They are looking to change that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:19:23 AM EDT
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Now these are the stories I can't figure out... I had a toothache a few months ago under a crown. It was hurting. I called my dentist and left a message. He called me back and an hour later I had a script for Oxycontin and amoxicillin waiting for me at a pharmacy. I went in to pick them up and was expecting it to be something like buying a machine gun but nope; showed ID, and walked. FWIW I thought Oxy sucked as a drug. Helped with the pain but hated the buzz. My mom in her last days a few years back was on a fentanyl patch for months. Wasn't a big deal. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:24:26 AM EDT
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In my area doctors are still happy to prescribe me opioids like candy. I complained about possible kidney stone pain (with a specialist after an er visit the night before) and a doctor wanted to prescribe me some. My mother-in-law was prescribed an opioid for a small wrist surgery. It makes no sense that they would limit someone with serious cancer but prescribe it for other stupid things. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:49:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Degenerates the canuck says. Why no blazing red in most big cities? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/265139/20170311_woc097-647472.JPG Nevada certainly fits the bill though, no offense nevadans
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:52:37 AM EDT
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You are full of shit, sir! Federal law prevents any doctor from phoning in schedule II drug prescriptions to the pharmacy. You have to physically obtain a written prescription from the doctor's office and take it to a pharmacy to be filled. You didn't have a script for Oxycotin waiting for you at a pharmacy, as you said. Why lie about it?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now these are the stories I can't figure out... I had a toothache a few months ago under a crown. It was hurting. I called my dentist and left a message. He called me back and an hour later I had a script for Oxycontin and amoxicillin waiting for me at a pharmacy. I went in to pick them up and was expecting it to be something like buying a machine gun but nope; showed ID, and walked. FWIW I thought Oxy sucked as a drug. Helped with the pain but hated the buzz. My mom in her last days a few years back was on a fentanyl patch for months. Wasn't a big deal. https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pract/section5.htm In an emergency, a practitioner may call-in a prescription for a Schedule II controlled substance by telephone to the pharmacy, and the pharmacist may dispense the prescription provided that the quantity prescribed and dispensed is limited to the amount adequate to treat the patient during the emergency period. The prescribing practitioner must provide a written and signed prescription to the pharmacist within seven days |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:53:04 AM EDT
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Lotsa people getting high and dead in Pahrump. 
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:02:26 AM EDT
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Degenerates the canuck says. Why no blazing red in most big cities? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/265139/20170311_woc097-647472.JPG Nevada certainly fits the bill though, no offense nevadans Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The current 'epidemic' has been caused by degenerates with a lack of personal responsibility -- not doctors. Not in my opinion, at least. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/265139/20170311_woc097-647472.JPG Nevada certainly fits the bill though, no offense nevadans |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:05:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Degenerates the canuck says. Why no blazing red in most big cities? You could put a lot of causes of death on that map and get similar results, for the same reasons. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:06:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are full of shit, sir! Federal law prevents any doctor from phoning in schedule II drug prescriptions to the pharmacy. You have to physically obtain a written prescription from the doctor's office and take it to a pharmacy to be filled. You didn't have a script for Oxycotin waiting for you at a pharmacy, as you said. Why lie about it?? |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:14:18 AM EDT
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Wife was in Salt Lake getting a somewhat minor surgery. Something between outpatient and full blown, stay in the hospital for weeks, surgery. We were there for 3 days.
As I was walking around the hospital, I noticed they had an ad campaign going with bright ass posters with giant, blown up pictures of the actual medication like oxys, tramadaol, percocets, etc. Not much on them except a gigantic picture of the pill, what it was, and then some random slogan about stopping drug abuse that was the smallest thing on the poster. They had these fucking EVERYWHERE and I had never wanted to try out medication until I saw them fucking advertised like this. Morons. And yes, it all depends on who you're dealing with. The surgeon prescribed percocets and tramadol for my wife's recovery while she was in the hospital. During the first shift after her surgery the nurse had a plan and followed it as well as left some leeway for additional drugs as it was the first day my wife was recovering. The next day we had the most useless fucking nurse who was more worried about her 'charting' of medications than she was about my wife's pain and recovery. I didn't know how bad it was until we had spoken to the surgeon again and she was like WTF?!? I'd punch that fucking nurse in the mouth if I saw her again. Fuck her and her 'charting' bullshit excuses because she was some prude old cunt that thought no one needed any kind of medication past fucking tylenol. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:31:05 AM EDT
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The stupidity has gone Tarded, Retarded, and then drooling moronic.
The State in it's ultimate wisdom, limited by southeastern corner, fucktard socialist majority, and Citiot/Burbtard thinking as representative, decided to shackle Veterinarians, with an ass ton of conflicting regulations concerning documentation, and prescriptions. The elected dipshits, created a legal trap for any Veterinarian, that dares fill a script for any opiod....because the filthy scum in the city's, openly and willingly abuse themselves, out of pathetic weakness. Now, Veterinarians have a huge legal liability, and scripts have to be filled at Pharmacy cost, at the local pharmacy. If your pooch tears an ACL, you pay for Surgery, and the only thing the Vet can offer is akin to Aspirin. The option to pay out the nose for pain meds for the pooch is still there, you will just have to pay 6-7 times as much, at the local pharmacy. The reason? The sick fucks addicted to the shit, were injuring their Dogs, Cat's, and other pets on purpose....just to get the lower cost scripts, so fuck anyone's pets or live stock, lets drive up the cost; and line the pockets of mega pharma. The usual Govt. maggot answer. Legalize the shit. Ban Narcan. Let Darwin do his thing and be done with the trash. People suck. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 4:35:18 AM EDT
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I recently found out just what a PITA the system has made wanting some relief from pain here in Florida.
Dealing with some knee & leg pain that so far has no resolution. My doctor prescribed me 800mg ibuprofen as well as Percocet. But because of a new Florida law that went into effect on 01-Jul, I can only get the Percocet script for 3 days worth of meds. And they can’t call in a refill. So every few days I get to call my doctors office and ask for a new prescription to pick up. What a joke. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 4:37:51 AM EDT
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The stupidity has gone Tarded, Retarded, and then drooling moronic. The State in it's ultimate wisdom, limited by southeastern corner, fucktard socialist majority, and Citiot/Burbtard thinking as representative, decided to shackle Veterinarians, with an ass ton of conflicting regulations concerning documentation, and prescriptions. The elected dipshits, created a legal trap for any Veterinarian, that dares fill a script for any opiod....because the filthy scum in the city's, openly and willingly abuse themselves, out of pathetic weakness. Now, Veterinarians have a huge legal liability, and scripts have to be filled at Pharmacy cost, at the local pharmacy. If your pooch tears an ACL, you pay for Surgery, and the only thing the Vet can offer is akin to Aspirin. The option to pay out the nose for pain meds for the pooch is still there, you will just have to pay 6-7 times as much, at the local pharmacy. The reason? The sick fucks addicted to the shit, were injuring their Dogs, Cat's, and other pets on purpose....just to get the lower cost scripts, so fuck anyone's pets or live stock, lets drive up the cost; and line the pockets of mega pharma. The usual Govt. maggot answer. Legalize the shit. Ban Narcan. Let Darwin do his thing and be done with the trash. People suck. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 4:38:42 AM EDT
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My Neighbor is a Vietnam vet whose all busted up from a landmine + a lifetime of injuries.
He's been taking Morphine / other heavy Opiates since 1972. Not every day, but a few times a week when the pain is particularly brutal. Now in the last 6-7 months, it's become super hard for him to get - presumably because they are worried that a guy whose been prescribed Opiates for 46 years might become addicted it. Shit is retarded. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 4:55:28 AM EDT
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Many countries in the world still use the OTC pharmacy model, and guess what most of the time there's no huge issues. Sure you can talk about antibiotic resistance, but outside that you don't see millions of homeless everywhere, shitting on the streets, dirty needles all over. It doesn't happen. Mass addiction is a cultural wasting disease not a biological disease. That's my opinion anyway. Often the pharmacies will ask if you have a prescription for stuff but if you tell them no but you need the medicine anyway, they'll give it outside of those yellow pad items. It's pretty convenient and I can't really point my finger at any abuses. Hell, they sell pure ethanol right on the shelf here. Don't see many people stealing it and selling it or boozing on it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 5:01:27 AM EDT
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So now I guess people have to go to Mexico to get desperately needed pain mgt. MAGA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 5:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are full of shit, sir! Federal law prevents any doctor from phoning in schedule II drug prescriptions to the pharmacy. You have to physically obtain a written prescription from the doctor's office and take it to a pharmacy to be filled. You didn't have a script for Oxycotin waiting for you at a pharmacy, as you said. Why lie about it?? |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 5:30:19 AM EDT
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Sounds like gun control.
The law-abiding can’t get what they need while we refuse to punish the people who abuse the drugs and break the law. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:06:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are full of shit, sir! Federal law prevents any doctor from phoning in schedule II drug prescriptions to the pharmacy. You have to physically obtain a written prescription from the doctor's office and take it to a pharmacy to be filled. You didn't have a script for Oxycotin waiting for you at a pharmacy, as you said. Why lie about it?? |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:11:16 AM EDT
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Meh, I like tramadol. It doesn't make me feel hungover like Percocet.
That being said, morphine and Dilaudid are the only things that can help kidney stones. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:18:18 AM EDT
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The stupidity has gone Tarded, Retarded, and then drooling moronic. The State in it's ultimate wisdom, limited by southeastern corner, fucktard socialist majority, and Citiot/Burbtard thinking as representative, decided to shackle Veterinarians, with an ass ton of conflicting regulations concerning documentation, and prescriptions. The elected dipshits, created a legal trap for any Veterinarian, that dares fill a script for any opiod....because the filthy scum in the city's, openly and willingly abuse themselves, out of pathetic weakness. Now, Veterinarians have a huge legal liability, and scripts have to be filled at Pharmacy cost, at the local pharmacy. If your pooch tears an ACL, you pay for Surgery, and the only thing the Vet can offer is akin to Aspirin. The option to pay out the nose for pain meds for the pooch is still there, you will just have to pay 6-7 times as much, at the local pharmacy. The reason? The sick fucks addicted to the shit, were injuring their Dogs, Cat's, and other pets on purpose....just to get the lower cost scripts, so fuck anyone's pets or live stock, lets drive up the cost; and line the pockets of mega pharma. The usual Govt. maggot answer. Legalize the shit. Ban Narcan. Let Darwin do his thing and be done with the trash. People suck. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:22:13 AM EDT
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Sounds like gun control. The law-abiding can’t get what they need while we refuse to punish the people who abuse the drugs and break the law. Same basic idea.
Instead the focus should not be on the food but on those that abuse it. Same as the medicine being discussed here. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:22:28 AM EDT
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I recently found out just what a PITA the system has made wanting some relief from pain here in Florida. Dealing with some knee & leg pain that so far has no resolution. My doctor prescribed me 800mg ibuprofen as well as Percocet. But because of a new Florida law that went into effect on 01-Jul, I can only get the Percocet script for 3 days worth of meds. And they can’t call in a refill. So every few days I get to call my doctors office and ask for a new prescription to pick up. What a joke. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:35:26 AM EDT
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My Grandmother is Stage 4 lung caner. And fuck Tramadol cause it doesn't shit for that pain. So fuck you on the opioid crises, Tramadol is a very light pain management medicine. Also depends on the tolerance of it with the patient like all drugs. Its trial and error with pain meds. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:40:06 AM EDT
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Meh, I like tramadol. It doesn't make me feel hungover like Percocet. That being said, morphine and Dilaudid are the only things that can help kidney stones. It's the only thing resembling strong pain medication that I can get my hands on over here. It works, I just have to take a lot of it.
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:44:20 AM EDT
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The true opioid crisis is that they're damn near impossible to get through legitimate means for people that actually need them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:45:10 AM EDT
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Now these are the stories I can't figure out... I had a toothache a few months ago under a crown. It was hurting. I called my dentist and left a message. He called me back and an hour later I had a script for Oxycontin and amoxicillin waiting for me at a pharmacy. I went in to pick them up and was expecting it to be something like buying a machine gun but nope; showed ID, and walked. FWIW I thought Oxy sucked as a drug. Helped with the pain but hated the buzz. My mom in her last days a few years back was on a fentanyl patch for months. Wasn't a big deal. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:49:26 AM EDT
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In my area doctors are still happy to prescribe me opioids like candy. I complained about possible kidney stone pain (with a specialist after an er visit the night before) and a doctor wanted to prescribe me some. My mother-in-law was prescribed an opioid for a small wrist surgery. It makes no sense that they would limit someone with serious cancer but prescribe it for other stupid things. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:49:56 AM EDT
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I had to resort to other means for my back one time.
Not proud that I did it but it was the only way I could stand up and walk. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:51:45 AM EDT
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I'm actually afraid of getting addicted to painkillers, when I had my tumor cut out of me they tried to write me some Percoset, I told them to fuck off.
Wasn't that bad anyway. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 7:18:59 AM EDT
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here in oregon alot of the doctors use escript and still escript schedule 2 meds to a pharmacy during daylight or working hours. er`s always give a written script if they give any at all. so yes escripting a schedule 2 happens every day.
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