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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:07:16 PM EST
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I have never sucked a dick for a Snickers bar.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:08:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't watch the video. I have trouble with the word "addiction". This coming from a guy who some would call a "recovered drug addict". I've been clean/sober for over 12 years. I especially have trouble with "addiction is a disease". Yes, many people abuse sugar. It tastes good and certainly satisfies some sort of desire. It's just really hard for me to accept a sugar addiction. It's like the government labeling so many people "terrorists". I agree. Addiction is a physical dependency. Nobody is addicted to sugar, it's habitual at best. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:10:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. Addiction is a physical dependency. Nobody is addicted to sugar, it's habitual at best. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't watch the video. I have trouble with the word "addiction". This coming from a guy who some would call a "recovered drug addict". I've been clean/sober for over 12 years. I especially have trouble with "addiction is a disease". Yes, many people abuse sugar. It tastes good and certainly satisfies some sort of desire. It's just really hard for me to accept a sugar addiction. It's like the government labeling so many people "terrorists". I agree. Addiction is a physical dependency. Nobody is addicted to sugar, it's habitual at best. Addiction can also be mental. Nobody is dependent on caffeine or nicotine, but they sure get pissed off when they can't get it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:12:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't watch the video, but I tend to believe the theory about gut bacteria causing sugar cravings. I've been looking into some flushes and fermented foods to try to remedy it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've tried to quit sugar cold turkey, twice. I legitimately thought I was going to die. I didn't watch the video, but I tend to believe the theory about gut bacteria causing sugar cravings. I've been looking into some flushes and fermented foods to try to remedy it. I could believe that. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:13:00 PM EST
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Well since sugar is a carbohydrate,, yes. But to get the whole picture, it's your bodies addiction to carbs as a whole.
The food pyramid thought us as kids is a bunch of malarkey and bad for you. It's why Americans are fat asses now. My dad growing up in the 30's his dinner plate was the size of today's pie plates. Didn't have fat asses back then like today. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:13:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: unless you follow a keto diet, you are still eating a fuckton of sugar, you just dont know it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:33:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's are a lot to. I know alzheimer's and dementia aren't the same thing (although they often go hand in hand), but lack of good quality sleep over long periods of time is also a suspected cause. Getting the correct amount of deep sleep nightly allows the brain to go through a routine maintenance cycle where toxins are removed and memories are properly filed away. Like defragging a hard drive each night. If that cycle is cut short, or interrupted regularly, the issues associated compound over time. A geriatric nurse recently told me that they are seeing dementia in those that suffer from sleep apnea. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:03:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A geriatric nurse recently told me that they are seeing dementia in those that suffer from sleep apnea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's are a lot to. I know alzheimer's and dementia aren't the same thing (although they often go hand in hand), but lack of good quality sleep over long periods of time is also a suspected cause. Getting the correct amount of deep sleep nightly allows the brain to go through a routine maintenance cycle where toxins are removed and memories are properly filed away. Like defragging a hard drive each night. If that cycle is cut short, or interrupted regularly, the issues associated compound over time. A geriatric nurse recently told me that they are seeing dementia in those that suffer from sleep apnea. Lots of studies point to poor sleep and dementia, not just sleep apnea. I recall the current thought is the brain repairs during restful sleep and of course poor sleep would be harmful if this theory is true. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:14:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never sucked a dick for a Snickers bar. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:26:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of studies point to poor sleep and dementia, not just sleep apnea. I recall the current thought is the brain repairs during restful sleep and of course poor sleep would be harmful if this theory is true. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:29:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But by saying that' it's obvious you've thought about it. What have you done for a Snicker's bar?  HALF BAKED Clip - "Rehab" (1998) Bob Saget |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:34:29 PM EST
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stopped drinking soda. I would do at least two 16oz redbulls plus a big ass soda at lunch multiple Dr.Peppers @ dinner.
Switched to sugar 1 free Redbull in the morning for my caf fix and drink water. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:14:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad had diabetes, then cancer, then hart disease, and the last 7 years or so sleep apnea and the last year or so dementia, then he died on October 31st 2019. I miss him, and I know if he had changed his diet, he could still be with us. He loved those fucking evil delicious potato chips. My dad's on the same path, sliding into cognitive issues as we speak. He's a grown assed man and made his own diet decisions, but still .
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:21:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad's on the same path, sliding into cognitive issues as we speak. He's a grown assed man and made his own diet decisions, but still .Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My dad had diabetes, then cancer, then hart disease, and the last 7 years or so sleep apnea and the last year or so dementia, then he died on October 31st 2019. I miss him, and I know if he had changed his diet, he could still be with us. He loved those fucking evil delicious potato chips. My dad's on the same path, sliding into cognitive issues as we speak. He's a grown assed man and made his own diet decisions, but still .My dad is highly active, but the man doesn't drink water.....like at all. He says it's disgusting. It's either coffee (with cream and lots of sugar), kool aid, or he will bring those little packets of flavor to work sometimes. On days where I drink a gallon he might drink 3-4 normal sized bottles of water with the sugar packet things added. Not sure how it's going to affect his mind over time, but it can't be good for his kidneys and liver. His dad died just after age 70 after having bad dementia for several years. I hope he doesn't go down the same path. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 4:59:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is, but it's not like heroin or booze, you aren't going to be violently shaking while coming down. You're just going to be all pissed off for a few days. That said, simple carbs aren't really a bad thing when used in moderation if you body can handle them. We did a late night floor recently and I was fucking gassed by 9pm. I had been drinking plenty of water all day, and whole milk, meat, boiled eggs, etc. I drove down to the gas station and grabbed a normal sized gatorade (not the light shit, the good stuff) and slammed it. Felt a million times better within 20 minutes and was able to stay on the floor for another two hours to finish up. Just a little insulin dump and some salt to help recover from the calories I had been blowing through all day long. I don't make it a habit to seek out loads of sugar, but I'm not opposed to it every now and then. When I was in ketosis as an experiment (I was in for over a month) I regularly gassed out at work, it sucked. It sucked even more because I wasn't hungry and I knew I needed calories. I broke out of that and decided to just stay low-moderate carb instead, I'm not fat and I go through a lot of calories on any given work day. I would argue that the electrolytes did much more for you than the sugar. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:00:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck yes it's real. Fortunately stuff like slurpees are not the kind of thing to cause you to destroy the rest of your life. They most certainly will destroy your life. It just won't be right now. It'll be the last 20 years of it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:02:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. You go through keto flu when you get off sugars. It’s like going through withdrawals. It's my understanding that keto flu is a myth. You are experiencing sugar withdrawals and your electrolytes are out of whack. I've done very strict keto and can attest to this. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:10:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were only designed to have sugar/carbohydrates as a random supplement to our diets or during certain seasons. We weren't designed to be eating it year roubd. Also it took a lot of trial and error to discover which fruits/roots were safe to eat due to majority being toxic. Or if our ancestors were lucky enough to come across some honey comb. We weren't meant to have this year round. Winter would be more of a meat based diet imo. Burning body fat as fuel is more efficient than using carbohydrates. Carbs as a fuel source burn far too fast and the body craves more of it. Agriculture changed a lot of things for humanity. It wasnt all bad though until we became more industrialized and focused on non physical labor/a sedentary lifestyle. We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Carbs are not a great source of fuel, they are just a very cheap source of food and farmers are subsidized to grow them and sell them to big food manufacturers for very, very cheap. As usual, the government has a big hand in this mess. And go figure, the food pyramid reflects that same plan. The government just wants the cheapest way to subsidize our food supplies. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:10:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were only designed to have sugar/carbohydrates as a random supplement to our diets or during certain seasons. We weren't designed to be eating it year roubd. Also it took a lot of trial and error to discover which fruits/roots were safe to eat due to majority being toxic. Or if our ancestors were lucky enough to come across some honey comb. We weren't meant to have this year round. Winter would be more of a meat based diet imo. Burning body fat as fuel is more efficient than using carbohydrates. Carbs as a fuel source burn far too fast and the body craves more of it. Agriculture changed a lot of things for humanity. It wasnt all bad though until we became more industrialized and focused on non physical labor/a sedentary lifestyle. We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Carbs are not a great source of fuel, they are just a very cheap source of food and farmers are subsidized to grow them and sell them to big food manufacturers for very, very cheap. As usual, the government has a big hand in this mess. And go figure, the food pyramid reflects that same plan. The government just wants the cheapest way to subsidize our food supplies. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:14:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would argue that the electrolytes did much more for you than the sugar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is, but it's not like heroin or booze, you aren't going to be violently shaking while coming down. You're just going to be all pissed off for a few days. That said, simple carbs aren't really a bad thing when used in moderation if you body can handle them. We did a late night floor recently and I was fucking gassed by 9pm. I had been drinking plenty of water all day, and whole milk, meat, boiled eggs, etc. I drove down to the gas station and grabbed a normal sized gatorade (not the light shit, the good stuff) and slammed it. Felt a million times better within 20 minutes and was able to stay on the floor for another two hours to finish up. Just a little insulin dump and some salt to help recover from the calories I had been blowing through all day long. I don't make it a habit to seek out loads of sugar, but I'm not opposed to it every now and then. When I was in ketosis as an experiment (I was in for over a month) I regularly gassed out at work, it sucked. It sucked even more because I wasn't hungry and I knew I needed calories. I broke out of that and decided to just stay low-moderate carb instead, I'm not fat and I go through a lot of calories on any given work day. I would argue that the electrolytes did much more for you than the sugar. Nah, after waking up at 4 and then working all day I was just sapped of energy. Needed some of that hummingbird fuel. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:18:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carbs are not a great source of fuel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were only designed to have sugar/carbohydrates as a random supplement to our diets or during certain seasons. We weren't designed to be eating it year roubd. Also it took a lot of trial and error to discover which fruits/roots were safe to eat due to majority being toxic. Or if our ancestors were lucky enough to come across some honey comb. We weren't meant to have this year round. Winter would be more of a meat based diet imo. Burning body fat as fuel is more efficient than using carbohydrates. Carbs as a fuel source burn far too fast and the body craves more of it. Agriculture changed a lot of things for humanity. It wasnt all bad though until we became more industrialized and focused on non physical labor/a sedentary lifestyle. We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Carbs are not a great source of fuel They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:18:57 PM EST
[#22]
My uncle ended up with COPD after decades of smoking.
He ended up on a machine to help him breath at night. I'm 44 and I'm drained at the end of the day, it's tough to have the energy to workout in the morning and even tougher to workout in the evenings just due to a lack of energy. It's tempting to drink pre-workout, a shit load of caffeine. or consumer sugar to get that energy burst to get through it. Especially, since i don't consume any pre-workout, caffeine, and rarely ever have sugar. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:19:34 PM EST
[#23]
Dr Robert Cywes says the same thing
(The "carb addiction" doc) |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:21:59 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:22:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were only designed to have sugar/carbohydrates as a random supplement to our diets or during certain seasons. We weren't designed to be eating it year roubd. Also it took a lot of trial and error to discover which fruits/roots were safe to eat due to majority being toxic. Or if our ancestors were lucky enough to come across some honey comb. We weren't meant to have this year round. Winter would be more of a meat based diet imo. Burning body fat as fuel is more efficient than using carbohydrates. Carbs as a fuel source burn far too fast and the body craves more of it. Agriculture changed a lot of things for humanity. It wasnt all bad though until we became more industrialized and focused on non physical labor/a sedentary lifestyle. We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Carbs are not a great source of fuel They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. I noticed that you didn't copy everything else I said (how convenient). Potatoes and rice (or whatever starch is available locally) is cheap, cheap, cheap. That's why it's so prevalent. Not because of its value as a quality source of energy. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:25:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carbs and sugars are death to type 2 diabetics, I cannot imagine they are good for non diabetic people. World wide diabetes is exploding in numbers never seen before as the worlds diet is being replaced with processed foods full of sugar and carbs.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. Diabetics have lost the ability to process carbs, of course they aren't good for them. For those that can use them properly, they are fine as a part of their diet, although simple carbs should still be limited. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:27:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed that you didn't copy everything else I said (how convenient). Potatoes and rice (or whatever starch is available locally) is cheap, cheap, cheap. That's why it's so prevalent. Not because of its value as a quality source of energy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were only designed to have sugar/carbohydrates as a random supplement to our diets or during certain seasons. We weren't designed to be eating it year roubd. Also it took a lot of trial and error to discover which fruits/roots were safe to eat due to majority being toxic. Or if our ancestors were lucky enough to come across some honey comb. We weren't meant to have this year round. Winter would be more of a meat based diet imo. Burning body fat as fuel is more efficient than using carbohydrates. Carbs as a fuel source burn far too fast and the body craves more of it. Agriculture changed a lot of things for humanity. It wasnt all bad though until we became more industrialized and focused on non physical labor/a sedentary lifestyle. We originated from very warm areas, fruit likely grew all year, along with edible roots. There is a reason that civilization flourished once farming became the norm, carbs are a good source of fuel. Carbs are not a great source of fuel They are one of the best sources of fuel as far as availability goes. Simple carbs are the fastest way to turn food into energy, complex carbs are slower, but still very quick. Paired with some slower digested foods they are a good supplement. There's a reason that meat and potatoes (or rice, or whatever starchy carb is available locally) became very common all through the world. I noticed that you didn't copy everything else I said (how convenient). Potatoes and rice (or whatever starch is available locally) is cheap, cheap, cheap. That's why it's so prevalent. Not because of its value as a quality source of energy. Potatoes basically shaped civilization. They are incredibly nutrient dense. They were popular far before government subsidies and lobbyists. They are one of the most calorie dense crops per acre, they store reasonably well, and they have a decent micro nutrient profile.  How Potatoes Saved The World |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:43:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't watch the video. I have trouble with the word "addiction". This coming from a guy who some would call a "recovered drug addict". I've been clean/sober for over 12 years. I especially have trouble with "addiction is a disease". Yes, many people abuse sugar. It tastes good and certainly satisfies some sort of desire. It's just really hard for me to accept a sugar addiction. It's like the government labeling so many people "terrorists". Im also a recovered addict (alcohol). I had problems with the whole disease model too till I got into trouble and wound up in rehab. When you consider the brain an organ and how other organs fall to disease, they pretty much line up for the disease model. However where I depart from that idea is they say you'll ALWAYS have the addiction disease. I disagree. Just like organs that fall to disease, they get treatment, recover and become disease free. So can the brain recover from addiction. Another thing we learned in Tx and I agree is: a drug is a drug is a drug. Doesn't matter if you smoke it, shoot it, sniff it, drink it, huff it or eat it. You're over stimulating your dopomine to get high, to escape emotional pain or to just plain feel good. Sugar and junk food does the EXACT same thing. All these fatties are addicted. All you have to is watch my 600lb life a few times to see the addiction in its extreme. Eveyone else thats overweight (mom/dad bod, fat chics, etc....) is just in the lower realms of addiction. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:08:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im also a recovered addict (alcohol). I had problems with the whole disease model too till I got into trouble and wound up in rehab. When you consider the brain an organ and how other organs fall to disease, they pretty much line up for the disease model. However where I depart from that idea is they say you'll ALWAYS have the addiction disease. I disagree. Just like organs that fall to disease, they get treatment, recover and become disease free. So can the brain recover from addiction. Another thing we learned in Tx and I agree is: a drug is a drug is a drug. Doesn't matter if you smoke it, shoot it, sniff it, drink it, huff it or eat it. You're over stimulating your dopomine to get high, to escape emotional pain or to just plain feel good. Sugar and junk food does the EXACT same thing. All these fatties are addicted. All you have to is watch my 600lb life a few times to see the addiction in its extreme. Eveyone else thats overweight (mom/dad bod, fat chics, etc....) is just in the lower realms of addiction. 
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:13:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Addiction can also be mental. Nobody is dependent on caffeine or nicotine, but they sure get pissed off when they can't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't watch the video. I have trouble with the word "addiction". This coming from a guy who some would call a "recovered drug addict". I've been clean/sober for over 12 years. I especially have trouble with "addiction is a disease". Yes, many people abuse sugar. It tastes good and certainly satisfies some sort of desire. It's just really hard for me to accept a sugar addiction. It's like the government labeling so many people "terrorists". I agree. Addiction is a physical dependency. Nobody is addicted to sugar, it's habitual at best. Addiction can also be mental. Nobody is dependent on caffeine or nicotine, but they sure get pissed off when they can't get it. IDK man. I was absolutely a dependent slave to nicotine. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:27:23 PM EST
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I have had an ongoing battle with sugar/carbs, it seemed that carbs made me both happy....and bloated/feeling hungry for more after a few hours. I would wake up and my stomach would be growling and it would be a fight to not go grab a donut or something else for breakfast.
Honestly the best thing for me is going cold turkey and just not eating them. I am not hungry in the mornings, nor do I constantly crave something sweet. I have more energy as a whole and I seem to just feel better in general. The only downside of a low carb diet is the downside of just eating whatever......its harder to get the comfort food/variety with low carb...but its that comfort food/variety that leads us the the carbed up mess we are in as a society. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:35:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK man. I was absolutely a dependent slave to nicotine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't watch the video. I have trouble with the word "addiction". This coming from a guy who some would call a "recovered drug addict". I've been clean/sober for over 12 years. I especially have trouble with "addiction is a disease". Yes, many people abuse sugar. It tastes good and certainly satisfies some sort of desire. It's just really hard for me to accept a sugar addiction. It's like the government labeling so many people "terrorists". I agree. Addiction is a physical dependency. Nobody is addicted to sugar, it's habitual at best. Addiction can also be mental. Nobody is dependent on caffeine or nicotine, but they sure get pissed off when they can't get it. IDK man. I was absolutely a dependent slave to nicotine. Yeah, I guess it meets the definition, but effects are typically very mild with casual drugs like that. Most guys that quit smoking just end up very irritable, guys that quit opioids cold turkey end up dope sick, and quitting alcohol cold turkey can actually kill you. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 9:33:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have had an ongoing battle with sugar/carbs, it seemed that carbs made me both happy....and bloated/feeling hungry for more after a few hours. I would wake up and my stomach would be growling and it would be a fight to not go grab a donut or something else for breakfast. Honestly the best thing for me is going cold turkey and just not eating them. I am not hungry in the mornings, nor do I constantly crave something sweet. I have more energy as a whole and I seem to just feel better in general. The only downside of a low carb diet is the downside of just eating whatever......its harder to get the comfort food/variety with low carb...but its that comfort food/variety that leads us the the carbed up mess we are in as a society. What you've described is all in your head, and I don't mean that dismissively. Madison Avenue spent fortunes figuring out how to attach brand named foods to daily events with psychological triggers. The concept that certain foods equates to emotional well being isn't a natural phenomenon. It's up to you to re-program yourself to break those links. Ad blockers on all your connected devices will limit your exposure to the targeted triggers to get you to eat crap. Substitute newer healthier habits for the reach for a doughnut urge. Do some push ups, or stretch or drink water or do something else rewarding to you. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:47:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My uncle ended up with COPD after decades of smoking. He ended up on a machine to help him breath at night. I'm 44 and I'm drained at the end of the day, it's tough to have the energy to workout in the morning and even tougher to workout in the evenings just due to a lack of energy. It's tempting to drink pre-workout, a shit load of caffeine. or consumer sugar to get that energy burst to get through it. Especially, since i don't consume any pre-workout, caffeine, and rarely ever have sugar. 
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