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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:16:17 AM EST
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I like the festive window covering color choices.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:18:53 AM EST
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The one they're trying to work up used to be the Riga/Varyag from the Russian Navy. PLAN bought it as a hulk in 1998 and have been refitting it to recommission it since..... Supposedly they have plans to build 2 more on the same design built completely by their yards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our main target is the aircraft carrier," said the corvette’s captain Wang Te-chien. Meanwhile, Communist China has one aircraft carrier - with two more becoming operational in 2015. More info on new CV's? Google no help. Two carriers, no pics or info? The one they're trying to work up used to be the Riga/Varyag from the Russian Navy. PLAN bought it as a hulk in 1998 and have been refitting it to recommission it since..... Supposedly they have plans to build 2 more on the same design built completely by their yards. Varyag has been doing sea trials. They've laid the keels for both of next two last I saw (someone posted it here, as I recall). |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:19:01 AM EST
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I remember some Taiwan leader said that their military could hold out for a month, alone with no help, if China did an all out attack on them.  There is a REASON there is almost always a US PACFlt vessel in Taiwanese territorial waters, or tied up alongside..... I would say that we are Committed to their Security....but with the recent Administration(s) my confidence in that isnt as high as it normally is.....we have left other Allies high and dry over the last decade or so. Georgia, Ukraine, Poland.... |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:21:08 AM EST
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I couldn't be less of an expert on such things, but it looks a little dainty doesn't it? Seems like it would be a breeze to incapacitate that thing. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:21:19 AM EST
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98% of Taiwan is Han Chinese, Same ethnic group as 92% of the China mainland. And???? what's your Point??, ROK and PRK have the same ethnic base, and language Doesnt stop the NORKs from constantly killing their southern brothers and sisters in border incursions, nevermind the nuke threats |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:21:46 AM EST
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Indeed also the fact that China could take Taiwan in 2-3 days. 
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I cant believe there are so many ignorant arfcommers posting here that STILL cant figure out this is a Taiwan vessel and Taiwan is allied with the US. Not even the same as China except in heritage. Indeed also the fact that China could take Taiwan in 2-3 days.
Hard to do without the boats to get there... |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:23:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That lcs was an incat design. This looks like either a collaboration with incat or a ripoff Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did they seriously copy the LCS? Maybe the LCS was a huge counter intelligence op, to trick the Chinese into building horrible ships. Well done, America. That lcs was an incat design. This looks like either a collaboration with incat or a ripoff |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:23:06 AM EST
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Hard to do without the boats to get there... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cant believe there are so many ignorant arfcommers posting here that STILL cant figure out this is a Taiwan vessel and Taiwan is allied with the US. Not even the same as China except in heritage. Indeed also the fact that China could take Taiwan in 2-3 days.
Hard to do without the boats to get there... His ignorance is showing... |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:25:10 AM EST
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Varyag has been doing sea trials. They've laid the keels for both of next two last I saw (someone posted it here, as I recall). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The one they're trying to work up used to be the Riga/Varyag from the Russian Navy. PLAN bought it as a hulk in 1998 and have been refitting it to recommission it since..... Supposedly they have plans to build 2 more on the same design built completely by their yards. Varyag has been doing sea trials. They've laid the keels for both of next two last I saw (someone posted it here, as I recall). I Know..I wasnt sure if they Commissioned before or after Sea Trials PLAN is....Different IIRC the Indians are contracted for working up their Aierdales |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:26:16 AM EST
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AND the cost of it was about half the cost of ONE F35
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:26:58 AM EST
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Old model CIWS, new model Oto Malera. Meh. I don't see where the missiles are launched from. Just from a quick read on wiki those Hsiung Feng missiles seem to be pretty hot shit. Do we have any supersonic anti ship missiles in our inventory? The box launchers sitting at 45 degrees facing port and starboard amidships aft of the antenna mast but in front of the close in weapon system. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:30:04 AM EST
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AND the cost of it was about half the cost of ONE F35 What's your point? Statements like that show a mind-boggling amount of ignorance. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:34:12 AM EST
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I cant believe there are so many ignorant arfcommers posting here that STILL cant figure out this is a Taiwan vessel and Taiwan is allied with the US. Not even the same as China except in heritage. I guess the CIWS wasn't a strong enough hint for some. Don't even say the name Chiang Kai-Shek, or heds will esplod. Ship looks like a decent catamaran design, and it's clocking in with six heavy ASMs at 1/10 the cost of our LCS. What's not to like? Shit, next thing you know, people here will be saying they hate anything from South Korea. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:36:35 AM EST
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:50:44 AM EST
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 wow comments on pg1
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:00:12 AM EST
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"Asia’s fastest and most powerful warship." And the galley will still reek of fish sauce.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:11:33 AM EST
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Just to follow up... The Taiwanese are fierce anti-commies, despite their recent version of obama trying to open the floodgates to chicom immigration. The sad truth is that Taiwan will probably never have a chance to defend themselves from a takeover. China is 'cleansing' them by droves of immigrants loyal to the commies. Hell, Taiwanese is hardly spoken among the younger kids now. They think only old folks and hillbillies speak Taiwanese. It's sad because we really do need thatthorn in China's side. And it's very existence is a constant slap in china's face.
I'm still shocked at how many couldn't grasp the difference between two countries. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:22:25 AM EST
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The same people that confuse Austria and Australia i guessing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda sounds like a few people dont get the difference between china and Taiwan.... Don't forget Balkans and baltic |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:23:18 AM EST
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Well it does look pretty cool but I would bet those missile launchers sticking up there don't help reduce its radar signature much. They look like giant P-Mags, lol. I'm guessing they are able to recess into the deck. Gives a whole new meaning to popping the P-Mag covers. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:23:31 AM EST
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Don't forget Balkans and baltic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda sounds like a few people dont get the difference between china and Taiwan.... Don't forget Balkans and baltic and the big classic the state of Georgia and the country of Georgia |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:31:28 AM EST
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Perhaps...I do get the difference even though they are both Chinese. But those Taiwanese are building these things in the hopes of repelling the communist Chinese who are aggressively building up a military machine. But I am sure you know that too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda sounds like a few people dont get the difference between china and Taiwan.... Perhaps...I do get the difference even though they are both Chinese. But those Taiwanese are building these things in the hopes of repelling the communist Chinese who are aggressively building up a military machine. But I am sure you know that too. All Taiwan can really do, especially with the shit leadership we have here in the US these days, is make an invasion as painful and costly as possible to the PRC. Gaining a tiny island and a little bit of prestige by turning one of the most dynamic economies in Asia into rubble and losing a huge chunk of your shiny new navy toys in the process isn't a good deal... even for the ChiComs. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:36:42 AM EST
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That ship has very definite stealth characteristics.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:39:36 AM EST
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I couldn't be less of an expert on such things, but it looks a little dainty doesn't it? Seems like it would be a breeze to incapacitate that thing. It will rely on speed and a lower RCS as its main defenses. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:39:39 AM EST
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Isn't that special.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:40:42 AM EST
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No VLS?
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:41:28 AM EST
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That hulk looks like a massive target to the China diesel/electric sub. Not even as stealthy as a surfaced blue whale.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:41:42 AM EST
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I guess the CIWS wasn't a strong enough hint for some. Don't even say the name Chiang Kai-Shek, or heds will esplod. Ship looks like a decent catamaran design, and it's clocking in with six heavy ASMs at 1/10 the cost of our LCS. What's not to like? Shit, next thing you know, people here will be saying they hate anything from South Korea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cant believe there are so many ignorant arfcommers posting here that STILL cant figure out this is a Taiwan vessel and Taiwan is allied with the US. Not even the same as China except in heritage. I guess the CIWS wasn't a strong enough hint for some. Don't even say the name Chiang Kai-Shek, or heds will esplod. Ship looks like a decent catamaran design, and it's clocking in with six heavy ASMs at 1/10 the cost of our LCS. What's not to like? Shit, next thing you know, people here will be saying they hate anything from South Korea. In all honesty I thought China had launched it until I saw R2D2. Glad I re read the article before I posted. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 11:56:55 AM EST
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There's a whole lot of China = Taiwan derp in here.
Cool looking ship they've got. I can't help but notice that everyone, even on the docks, is wearing big Type I life jackets. Abundance of caution, or is swimming not a Taiwanese thing? |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 12:01:48 PM EST
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Taiwan is the Republic of China.... they're tye "good guys". The People's Republic of China are the communists and thus are the "bad guys". Someone failed Geography and Politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did they seriously copy the LCS? Maybe the LCS was a huge counter intelligence op, to trick the Chinese into building horrible ships. Well done, America. Someone failed Geography and Politics. I'm not confused over their allegiance, I was speaking only to the apparent horrible boat design which closely matches our modern LCS in appearance and crew load out. Given the fact that their Anti-Ship missile is ram jet similar to the HY-3, I'm inclined to believe the ROC and PRO shared tech. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 12:26:08 PM EST
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Bro, do u even drone? Who cares abour radar? Its a ship on ye surface.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:36:59 PM EST
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Don!t show that map to a certain congressman, he will start lobbying to bring more Indians and Chinese over here at an accelerated pace before the world tips over Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That went over my head. Fill me in on the punch line. We have food and water. They don't. Take bets on who wins any troubles? 
Funny you should say that because I was recently in a conversation with an engineer that just returned from there and his opinion of China's environment was absolutely negative. Foul smelling place with darkness for daylight and you sure as hell better drink bottled water... I feel better already.... 
They'll eat each other before they would land offensive military on our holdings. http://www.geographypods.com/uploads/7/6/2/2/7622863/830423365.gif?916 Don!t show that map to a certain congressman, he will start lobbying to bring more Indians and Chinese over here at an accelerated pace before the world tips over Care to guess the ethnicity of the second largest group of illegals? |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:38:53 PM EST
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Why is Walmart filling their stores with Chinese grown food? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That went over my head. Fill me in on the punch line. We have food and water. They don't. Take bets on who wins any troubles?
Why is Walmart filling their stores with Chinese grown food? Trade is good. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:47:38 PM EST
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Who is saying they are?? They are both Chinese but two separate nations. At least for now and since at least 1949 or so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Public Service Announcement: Taiwan and the People's Republic of China are not the same country. Who is saying they are?? They are both Chinese but two separate nations. At least for now and since at least 1949 or so. Incorrect, both claim they are the rightful government of China. The PRC calls Taiwan the renegade province and Taiwan states that the Mainland is temporarily overrun by Commie bandits. Nobody is claiming Taiwan is an independent country. The ROC government is Taiwan lost the civil war in 1949. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:49:16 PM EST
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Damn strange looking vessel. It's probably all engine. Looks like a Chinese airsoft version of one of our stealth ships. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:52:55 PM EST
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I'm not sure why a "carrier killer" is that important when they're well within range of land-based aircraft.
If I'm missing something, perhaps one of our naval experts could fill me in. 
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:53:01 PM EST
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Kinda sounds like a few people dont get the difference between china and Taiwan.... 
Kinda sad.. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:54:23 PM EST
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I'm not sure why a "carrier killer" is that important when they're well within range of land-based aircraft. If I'm missing something, perhaps one of our naval experts could fill me in. Two is one, one is none. If your being threatened by a carrier, it behooves you to figure out as many way to kill it as you can. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:57:32 PM EST
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Imagine if the Taiwanese had these when they bombed Pearl Harbor. It would have affected the whole course of the American Civil War.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:57:59 PM EST
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I like the festive window covering color choices. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:58:13 PM EST
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Imagine if the Taiwanese had these when they bombed Pearl Harbor. It would have affected the whole course of the American Civil War. I bet they were behind 9/11 too. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:59:03 PM EST
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Given the fact that their Anti-Ship missile is ram jet similar to the HY-3, I'm inclined to believe the ROC and PRO shared tech. They refuse to share even mundane things. Both are alleged to have reasonably extensive espionage programs focused on each other. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 1:59:36 PM EST
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Imagine if the Taiwanese had these when they bombed Pearl Harbor. It would have affected the whole course of the American Civil War. You leave Teddy Roosevelt out of it, Frenchie! 
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:02:42 PM EST
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US$70 million? See how far your money goes when you don't have to pay unions?
Would have been 70Billion built here, |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:09:39 PM EST
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Did they seriously copy the LCS? Maybe the LCS was a huge counter intelligence op, to trick the Chinese into building horrible ships. Well done, America. the derp....he got it.... |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:10:45 PM EST
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We probably have at least 2 dozen ways to sink or neuter that thing before they even finish loading the Lo Mein rations on board. why would we do that? |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:17:57 PM EST
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And???? what's your Point??, ROK and PRK have the same ethnic base, and language Doesnt stop the NORKs from constantly killing their southern brothers and sisters in border incursions, nevermind the nuke threats Quote HistoryQuoted:
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98% of Taiwan is Han Chinese, Same ethnic group as 92% of the China mainland. And???? what's your Point??, ROK and PRK have the same ethnic base, and language Doesnt stop the NORKs from constantly killing their southern brothers and sisters in border incursions, nevermind the nuke threats california and TX are both mexico 
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:24:12 PM EST
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Reading many of the responses in this thread helps me understand how Obama got elected, twice. I am so glad my parents paid for Catholic high school.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:27:07 PM EST
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They refuse to share even mundane things. Both are alleged to have reasonably extensive espionage programs focused on each other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given the fact that their Anti-Ship missile is ram jet similar to the HY-3, I'm inclined to believe the ROC and PRO shared tech. They refuse to share even mundane things. Both are alleged to have reasonably extensive espionage programs focused on each other. Ok it was the rapey kind of sharing. 
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:30:06 PM EST
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Sure isn't very big.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:33:32 PM EST
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I don't know about the Chicom's, but the ROK's are definitely NOT fucking around.
May those ships send some Commie hulls to the bottom. |
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