They will crumble under a nationwide outbreak of permanent blue balls.

'Carrier Killer'?






 

eh, china only has one carrier, and this thing has 8 missiles to sling at it

Remember the derp in this thread when you see the same people giving their "opinion" in other threads about Taiwan/China.

This thread made the baby jesus cry.

That said, we couldn't procure an RB15 for 70 million dollars.

 

Cool looking ship, boat, whatever people that float call them.

EDIT:  This makes me want to watch Battleship again.  I loved that movie, I don't care what anyone says.

 What are those doors at the stern?? Access for the Eng Plants???

They dont have to come back as long as the Vara..umm Lia Gzang or whatever it is is on the bottom the ROC's would consider it a screaming success

You have food and water until all the computer systems controlling your food and water get hit with a cyber attack that crashes them.

Then you have chaos.

It's a fraction of the size, a fraction of the cost, and has a completely different mission. I'm not sure a comparison to LCS is warranted.

BTW GD, how good are those carrier killer missiles?  I know the Rooskies have those supersonic SSMs and those super fast torpedoes. Should the USN be worried?

Those are too big to be torpedo tubes.

I was called "Ignorant" for bringing up the fact it was built for less than 1/2 the price of ONE F35

Could you launch an ICBM horizontally?

Sure. Why would you want to?

If they embark small boats, that's the only door I can see large enough for one.

Flying model airplanes with #1 nephew and making Texas chili for dinner.

Now laughing at people who don't know the difference between the two Chinas.

 Considering that Taiwan is a pretty close Ally... No, they neednt  

Taiwan =/= China yet.

Riiiiiiiiight. Because the first one is working so well? I mean, it's not like the steam plant blew the fuck up and the ship almost had to be towed back to port.


Oh wait.

Seems like an extraneous statement. What do you base your analysis on?

I doubt it. Our carriers are big, but when someone moves the throttle to FO, they can fucking move.
Top speed on that thing is 38kts. Top speed on an Iowa was 32-35kts with a conventional steam plant and 4 screws. Our carriers have two nuclear steam plants and four screws.

I don't know the top speed (very few people not on the bridge or in engineering do), but I'd venture to guess it's faster than 38kts.

This

How do they even pretend that something with a whole EIGHT missiles is "Asia's ... most powerful warship"?



Or a bunch of anti-ship ballistic missiles.

I wonder how many DF-21's you can build for the cost of a submarine.


And BTW, no one has actually sunk an enemy aircraft carrier since WWII. In WII most aircraft carriers seem to have been sunk by airplanes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_aircraft_carriers




Meh, sort of wrong. Latest round of F-35's were going for ~$100 million each ($94.8M-$115.7M to be precise)

That's cool. Official word is just "in excess of 30 knots".

Damn Taiwanese even copied out Longbow Apache Attack Choppers!!!!

http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/taiwan-showcases-ah-64e-apache-guardian-helicopters/

And Taiwan/Republic if China was founded in 1911.......there was even a movie with that title.

1949 was when the ROC lost China to the PRC.

Google......its your friend!

Lots of Empires and advanced militaries have lost to lesser enemies by underestimating their opponent and it's abilities.


Never fight the next war based on your enemies last war.

Uh huh!

Some of the geopolitical ignorance up in here is astronomical. As is some of the opinions concerning current surface warfare .

And then people go hungry, starting with them. They still lose worse than us.

Yes, the USN should be worried about our allies randomly attacking them.

Six would do.

That little ship is like Muhammad Ali. Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee...
That ship looks bad fast!
I'd think if Taiwan has 6 of those in combat ready trim, anytime anywhere, day or night, they wouldn't fear any Chinese navy threat.

Fuck those guys. Then, we land in the Baltics!

Taiwan Previews Major Naval Acquisition Plan

TAIPEI — Taiwan’s Navy plans to build new destroyers, frigates, corvettes and submarines in a 20-year force modernization program that will replace all the US and French-built warships in the fleet.

None of the new ships and submarines will be built by the US. Instead, Taiwan will rely on the combined efforts of its Ocean Industries Research and Development Center for design, the Taiwanese military-run Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) for systems and integration, and the Taiwan-based China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. for construction.

The Navy hopes to finish the design and development stage in five to 10 years, depending on the budget and complexity of each vessel, a Navy official said.

Taiwan will seek Western assistance on various components and systems, but their determination to build the ships in Taiwan remains firm.

Producing them in Taiwan creates jobs and skills, reduces reliance on restrictive US government export policies, and reduces corruption, the Navy official said. US and European defense companies have a history of hiring local agents with ties to organized crime and Beijing’s intelligence apparatus.

Defense News

They got tired of waiting it seems.

Taiwan’s Force Modernization: The American Side

Dec 09/14: Frigates. Taiwan has a NT$5.5 billion ($176M) budget approved and ready to acquire 2 Perry-class frigates whose sale is well on its way to finally be approved by the US, after years of stalling. The US Senate approved S. 1683 external link on December 4, and since a similar bill (HR. 3470 external link) had already been passed by the House in April, a reconciled law should be on the President’s desk soon.

China is not happy, but they’re making a lot of fuss for 2-4 weaponless ships that the US Navy gave up upgrading and Australia found tough to modernize.

Sources: Reuters: “Taiwan says to buy two U.S. frigates despite China anger” | Xinhua: “China firmly opposes US arms sale to Taiwan

Sept 10/14: Frigates. Taiwan won’t get its 2 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates (q.v. Aug 5/10, April 22/12, Nov 13/13) on schedule, because the US Senate can’t be bothered to authorize the sale. That will keep 2 aging Know Class frigates in continued service until 2016.

The Chinese-language United Daily News reported Tuesday that the frigates were expected to be delivered in 2016, under a project budgeted at NTD 5.56 billion ($185.42 million) in total.

Note that the frigates being decommissioned by the USA had all major weapons removed long ago, making them essentially large Coast Guard cutters with sonar and torpedoes. Source: Taiwan’s Want China Times, “Delivery of US Perry-class frigates to Taiwan could be delayed”.

Sept 10/14: Submarines. US CNO Admiral Jonathan Greenert confirmed that he had a conversation with Taiwanese officials during a recent visit, covering the sale or provision of submarines to Taiwan. Neither he nor the Taiwanese would talk about the content of that conversation, however.

The best case scenario would involve the USA transferring a few key technologies like periscope lenses, torpedoes, and combat systems, albeit at technology levels that don’t surpass what they believe China to have. That way, stolen technologies wouldn’t matter. The worst case scenario is that the issue was discussed, and Greenert explained why no help is likely.

The event was held by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and focused on the US’s Asia Pacific rebalancing strategy. Sources: Taiwan’s Want China Times, “US chief of naval operation discusses sub deal with Taiwan”.

Defense Industry Daily

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Wow a fast missile ship who would have thunk it...

Yep, hull looks like a copy of incat designs

Just to clarify, there are total of 16, NOT 8 anti-ship missiles.

They consist of 8 HF-2 subsonic missiles (mach 0.85), which are essentially knock-off Harpoon missiles.

The other 8 missiles, the HF-3, are supersonic ramjet anti-ship missiles that goes up to mach 2.5, with range that are said to exceed 200KM

With the way the missiles are positioned, the boat can almost simultaneously launch 4 subsonic and 4 supersonic missiles at a target, and then change direction to launch another set of 8 missiles.

The stealth design, while is not designed to become completely hidden from radars, will able to disguise the 600ton boat to a typical fishing boat.

I believe the claim of it being "the most powerful in Asia", comes with the context that you don't see any sub-1000 boats in Asia packing this type of firepower...  

Taiwan plan to build 12 of these boats. Assuming that in an encounter, you have a fleet of 4 boats, launching total of 32 subsonic missiles and 32 supersonic missiles at a carrier, I would imagine it creating a little issue for the said carrier.....

Just a side note, the HF-3 was actually based on a 1960's US project, the ALVRJ.....

Now they just have to keep this ship 1,000 miles away from the Chinese Dong-Feng 21 ship killer missile.

I very much doubt that the Chinese could hit this tiny, stealth ship with the DF-21.

It's hard enough to hit a carrier-sized target.

That thing hits Mach 10 according to wikipedia.

Jesus christ.

 

 Aren't they part of Obama's 57 states?

"Our main target is the aircraft carrier."  "Taiwan plans to build 12 of these ships."

China only has 1 carrier.

China is estimated to have 60 conventional submarines and 10 nuclear-powered submarines, including three armed with nuclear weapons.

Now they have a main target also...

Those doors, sir are the problem.

No.

The Liaoning is being used as a training ship.  China plans at least four follow on carriers.

Can anyone tell me why any modern ships at all have 5" guns, let alone "stealth" ships?

Hey guys, let's spend $70,000,000 on a stealth ship but put this huge radar catching signature on the bow so the old admirals are happy.

That actually sounds pretty impressive.