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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:31:09 PM EST
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Not our problem.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:31:42 PM EST
[#2]
Shocked.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:31:46 PM EST
[#3]
Aye, just watched the video on Funker530....stupid.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:31:47 PM EST
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:33:50 PM EST
[#5]
Surprising......
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:35:06 PM EST
[#6]
If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:36:26 PM EST
[#7]
Happened in Iraq too. Why waste our resources?
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:38:09 PM EST
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:38:33 PM EST
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From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do.
So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post. 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:38:36 PM EST
[#10]
300,000 well equipped, well trained.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:38:59 PM EST
[#11]
May 1 , 1975
Former Republic of South Vietnam |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:39:25 PM EST
[#12]
Commandos don't get to surrender like the ANA.
Minutes after rolling into base, a convoy of exhausted commandos went right back out to save Shah, an ANP guy who defended a checkpoint for 18?hours After the rest of the guys with him surrendered. EDIT with pics of the rescue mission earlier today. Commandos lost three humvees in the process. /cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/2LWOP4SGWJMDPAXNUOVDUH5XOA.jpg) /cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/L47IGAXBSFKEJKKBVKY7YGAR6A.jpg) /cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KOQHT5D3LNNR7MSXYEMKC3KFUA.jpg) "We were 15 people (policemen), and all my comrades surrendered (to the Taliban) except me," a visibly tired Shah told Reuters. He said he had been fighting for two days. "I told myself that I'm not going to do that, and as long as I have a gun, why I should give up?" |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:39:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. and folks wonder why they call us "The Great Satan" ? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:40:34 PM EST
[#14]
So glad we spent all that money training and equipping them.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:40:39 PM EST
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:41:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do. So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post. They should have fixed bayonets. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:41:42 PM EST
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Quoted: Not our problem. This. I wanna say I stopped caring years ago, but in all honesty I never really did. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:41:44 PM EST
[#18]
Moral of the story: don’t run out of ammo until the enemy is dead or withdrawn.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:41:58 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do. So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post. Sad day for those guys. We should honour them by dumping radioactive waste and VX gas on Kabul. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:44:06 PM EST
[#21]
Commandos don't surrender, they knew better
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:45:19 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do. So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post. Yeah, they mostly fought hard for their country and of course, they were let down by their government. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:45:43 PM EST
[#23]
But Biden says we're leaving a huge, highly trained army there.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:46:00 PM EST
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I thought you weren't supposed to surrender without any ammo left.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:46:23 PM EST
[#25]
Quoted: and folks wonder why they call us "The Great Satan" ? Not our proudest era for American, everything has largely gone to shit since 1964, and even more so since 1933. Reported, possible level 3 racisms/s |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:46:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our problem. Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:47:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. Some cities have "drag queen readings" where drag queens read books to children sometimes w/o their parents' knowledge. Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:47:19 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. ...and your point is? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:48:13 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. There was funding for gender reassignment surgeries in Pakistan in the covid relief bill…. 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:49:04 PM EST
[#30]
That is tragic. I'd never make light of their sacrifice.
We have no control over the fate of Afghanistan. If we were willing to colonize it or turn it over to the administration of a new East India Trading Company we could probably make a go of it, but that wasn't "politically correct" so we didn't do so. Instead we handed the fate of Afghanistan to Afghanistan and yet tied our military success to them resulting in a outcome we couldn't control. However, this rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces has been terrible executed. What should have been done is that an interim plan should have been in place to "privatize the war" in Afghanistan. Allow the Afghan government with Western financial assistance to hire private military contractors to supplement their ranks for the next ten years. A large presence of private military contractors could have helped ease the nation into a transition period and just may have prevented the chaos we're currently seeing. We have seen disfunctional small corrupt governments defeat insurgencies through the use of private military companies (see Executive Outcomes work in Africa). It can be done, but the West has some P.C. aversion to the use of mercenaries for some reason even if it would save lives and protect our interests. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:49:31 PM EST
[#31]
Lesson? Don't surrender and if you have to go, take as many of those goat fuckers as you can with you.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:54:21 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...and your point is? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. ...and your point is? And the other poster’s point is? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:54:52 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:55:54 PM EST
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Posted: 7/13/2021 3:59:42 PM EST
[#35]
CNN was saying just a few days ago that China is looking for opportunities in Afghanistan, this will be fun to watch now that it won't involve American lives.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:00:56 PM EST
[#36]
Those boys should've taken a play out of the Peshmerga playbook and kept one last round linked to their barrel for themselves.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:01:09 PM EST
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This on the other hand is something I don’t give two shits about. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:01:33 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. The problem is though, this nation never recognized it as a War. A Declaration of War was never declared by the Congress, the people of this nation were never mobilized to win it. I'll never forget George Bush telling us to go buy DVD players after 9/11, because that's how we'd defeat the terrorists by living our lives as usual. I'm all for winning in Afghanistan, but we gave up trying to do that when we turned over the political governance of Afghanistan to the Afghans. The military outcome was tied to the success of the Afghan government, a government we influenced as best as we could, but couldn't directly control. It doomed our us in Afghanistan. People who can't read and write and who have barely ventured out of their local tribal areas their entire lives are not ready to carry out a sophisticated Constitutional Republic. What did we honestly expect? Should be an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that the U.S. can never again attempt to nation build in a place where an active civil war is being carried out. Before we showed up the Afghan people were in the middle of a long civil war between various factions. Iraq was a dictatorship that kept at bay an ethnic civil war. Vietnam was essentially a civil war between the North and the South. We need to learn our lesson, it's been a costly lesson. No more nation building in the middle of a civil war, it's not the ideal time to do so clearly. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:05:27 PM EST
[#39]
We shouldn't have ever been there or spent the first dime there.
Nothing was ever going to change but American blood spilled and American dollars laundered back into American politicians pockets. I'm astonished people continue to join that shit |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:05:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shocked. I blame democrats for those deaths |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. You and I (and everyone else reading this) know that NEVER would have happened. It hasn’t happened since 1945 and it NEVER will again. It is unfortunate because you are 100% correct but the reins will NEVER be removed again. Ever. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:11:51 PM EST
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After 20 years, our government has continued to yet again demonstrate that it lacks the willpower to release the military and win. We either break things, kill people, win and go home OR we shouldn't go in the first place. At this point, it is very difficult to care what occurs in Afghanistan until such time that the US Government makes the decision to unconditionally win.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:12:35 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 300,000 well equipped, well trained. Not sure but wasn't it Sylvan who trained them? 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:15:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300,000 well equipped, well trained. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:16:09 PM EST
[#45]
Do the world a favor and turn it to glass
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:16:35 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Commandos don't get to surrender like the ANA. Minutes after rolling into base, a convoy of exhausted commandos went right back out to save Shah, an ANP guy who defended a checkpoint for 18?hours After the rest of the guys with him surrendered. EDIT with pics of the rescue mission earlier today https://www.reuters.com/resizer/20gEXIzv9RdKPtdhZE9QAyu0Ufo=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/L47IGAXBSFKEJKKBVKY7YGAR6A.jpg https://www.reuters.com/resizer/WwP4ZXRPHmKalsRITg7gLPxO2Rw=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KOQHT5D3LNNR7MSXYEMKC3KFUA.jpg Need more like him not like the white flag waving armchair experts here. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:18:45 PM EST
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You gentlemen here are way smarter than me on this topic but I just don't understand why the need to withdraw?
We've had troops in Germany for far longer, troops in Korea (no war declared) as well. I don't see why we couldn't leave bases there and at least conduct air operations. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:20:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. Absolute bullshit... if the US wanted to they could paste half the planet overnight and make it shake and glow. THe US played with a limited set of ROE drafted by spineless communist politicians more interested in how the war would effect their portfolios rather than keeping US servicemen safe and allowing them to win the war. The idea that if the US got fully mobilized and couldnt beat some shithole like AFghanistan is beyond laughable.. I mean really what would those Taliban fucks do if you guys went stoneage and sent everything you had.. Nothing because next to the US all other nations militarily are second place. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:20:37 PM EST
[#49]
I guess the "out of ammunition" part of the story limited their options.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:20:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our problem. True. But a great way to either get ANF to desert or a great way to get them to fight to the death. |
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