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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:22:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. That's so 2020. Rainbow dildo monkeys are all the rage in 2021. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:23:21 PM EST
[#2]
I dont give a fuck
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:25:27 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? . Where do you get some of the shit you post? I mean seriously,where did you get this? I’m curious as to how long this stupidity has rattled around in your head waiting to fall out of your ass. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:27:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:29:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do you get some of the shit you post? I mean seriously,where did you get this? I’m curious as to how long this stupidity has rattled around in your head waiting to fall out of your ass. He is given his talking points weekly at the Maoist Leninist lawn bowling club he attends..that is when he isnt verbally defecating all over GD...  Sorry ill post more later, but its Sikorski on the phone, apparently they still have some last minute openings for economical travel, maybe Rusty will go for a trip and let us know how it goes? 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:29:38 PM EST
[#6]
A reoccurring theme in this world is bad guys outnumber good guys when the bullets are flying and you don’t want to run out of bullets before you run out of bad guys.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:30:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the other poster’s point is? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure what this post means but the one thing I am sure of is that it is made by someone who was never in Afghanistan. ...and your point is? And the other poster’s point is? and my point is? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:36:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You gentlemen here are way smarter than me on this topic but I just don't understand why the need to withdraw? We've had troops in Germany for far longer, troops in Korea (no war declared) as well. I don't see why we couldn't leave bases there and at least conduct air operations. Germans and Koreans. How far along were both those countries after 20 years? Still shitting in holes in the ground? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:39:48 PM EST
[#9]
Not my pig not my farm
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:43:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Germans and Koreans. How far along were both those countries after 20 years? Still shitting in holes in the ground? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You gentlemen here are way smarter than me on this topic but I just don't understand why the need to withdraw? We've had troops in Germany for far longer, troops in Korea (no war declared) as well. I don't see why we couldn't leave bases there and at least conduct air operations. Germans and Koreans. How far along were both those countries after 20 years? Still shitting in holes in the ground? Airbases need to be supplied. Not sustainable long term when you don't physically control the logistics routes. It would be a Dien Ben Phu type of liability. And Korea/Germany/Japan can't be compared to Afghanistan. Polar opposite societies. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:48:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airbases need to be supplied. Not sustainable long term when you don't physically control the logistics routes. It would be a Dien Ben Phu type of liability. And Korea/Germany/Japan can't be compared to Afghanistan. Polar opposite societies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You gentlemen here are way smarter than me on this topic but I just don't understand why the need to withdraw? We've had troops in Germany for far longer, troops in Korea (no war declared) as well. I don't see why we couldn't leave bases there and at least conduct air operations. Germans and Koreans. How far along were both those countries after 20 years? Still shitting in holes in the ground? Airbases need to be supplied. Not sustainable long term when you don't physically control the logistics routes. It would be a Dien Ben Phu type of liability. And Korea/Germany/Japan can't be compared to Afghanistan. Polar opposite societies. Ah gotcha...that makes perfect sense now. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:50:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad day for those guys. We should honour them by dumping radioactive waste and VX gas on Kabul. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do. So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post.  Sad day for those guys. We should honour them by dumping radioactive waste and VX gas on Kabul. Or send them a dose of Epsilon Covid |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:52:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we talking about the Taliban? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 300,000 well equipped, well trained. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:53:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300,000 well equipped, well trained. Yep joe biden said so. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:53:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we had built libraries there for Drag Queen Readings. 
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Posted: 7/13/2021 4:58:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem.  Attached FileMarcus made it back and is currently living in Texas and America no longer fights wars to win. Trying to win the hearts and minds of people in that shit hole was the mistake. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:01:21 PM EST
[#17]
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, So-oldier of the Queen! |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:04:14 PM EST
[#18]
never give up, never surrender. Inshallah
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:08:31 PM EST
[#19]
I always love reading the edgy GD responses to stuff like this. It really helps reinforce just how clueless most folks are.
These dudes just gave their lives fighting for their country, which is an incredibly honorable sacrifice in its own right. Even more so when you consider that they fought until they exhausted every round of ammunition and probably knew reinforcements were not coming and they were going to die regardless. And most of those commandos are legit fighters with legit tactics and have been doing some pretty gangster shit for a long time. All things that should be commended. Yet here we are, in America, witnessing the erosion of our rights and the destruction of our country and most of you are on here shit posting from the comfort of your parents' basement, too lazy to do anything about it. ...All the while mocking a group of guys who made the ultimate sacrifice. The irony is palpable. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:10:08 PM EST
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The Soviet installed government lasted for 3 years after the Soviets withdrew. After 20 years of training and equipping the Afghan army, I don't see them lasting a year, much less 3. How is this possible?
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:10:54 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or send them a dose of Epsilon Covid Wake me up when we hit Zebra Covid
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:21:02 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You and I (and everyone else reading this) know that NEVER would have happened. It hasn’t happened since 1945 and it NEVER will again. It is unfortunate because you are 100% correct but the reins will NEVER be removed again. Ever. IDK. The last time the US Military was let off the chain in a big time way was the highway of death retreat of the Iraqi army out of Kuwait. That was a glorious, righteous, biblical massacre. Oh, and they ass wippin we laid on Russian troops in Syria was fucking awesome. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:25:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. Really? Piss on his grave, huh? You seem to make a habit of pissing on the graves of better men than you. You start threads about how you don’t respect service members, and now you shit on Pat Tillman? Pat Tillman is a FAR better man than you will ever be, and you you know it. For that matter, those Commandos are better men than you, as well. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:27:46 PM EST
[#24]
Why couldn't it have been James Yeager?
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:31:10 PM EST
[#25]
Never give up, never trust savages.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:31:45 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea that if the US got fully mobilized and couldnt beat some shithole like AFghanistan is beyond laughable.. I mean really what would those Taliban fucks do if you guys went stoneage and sent everything you had.. Nothing because next to the US all other nations militarily are second place. And how would we accomplish that? Those insurgents hide among the civilian population in extremely rural, rugged areas. We'd literally have to use every weapon and every troop at our disposal to kill everyone in that country. Meanwhile, the true bad guys would just slink off to Pakistan or some other 'stan to hide until we got bored and left... then they'd start the shit all over again. We'd have to blanket the place with nukes, transforming a desert wasteland into an irradiated desert wasteland. We need those nukes for more important enemies, though... |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:35:19 PM EST
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That’s why you tape your last round to your rifle. Fuck surrendering to those…whatever we are allowed to call them these days.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:37:10 PM EST
[#28]
Tough break but consider this, had it not been for US arrogance they would have been tending their farms and killing each other off in their spare time anyway.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:39:04 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. You gotta explain the Tillman shit bruh |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:40:02 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You gotta explain the Tillman shit bruh Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. Wasnt Pat Tillman beyond the wire without permission so he could get a Blow Job from a female reporter? Hate to break it to you, some are are just not winnable or worth it, we were never going to get these people to change their culture, belief system, etc. It was all a crock to go in, and make billions for the MIC, all the while undermining our rights at home. What caused 9/11? Failure of agencies to communicate, a fear of be seen as “racist” and above all a an immigration system that is design to import the most backwards and hostile people into our country. You gotta explain the Tillman shit bruh Actually, he shouldn’t |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:40:29 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I have read the commandos were one of the few groups in the Afghan military that mostly had their shit together. And the article says they fought until their ammo ran out instead of surrendering immediately like their ANA ANP comrades usually do. So I won’t make an edgy indifferent post. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:41:29 PM EST
[#32]
Should of found the few that would fight, armed them heavily and kept the ammunition pouring in to them no matter what they had to do to save their country. As for everyone else nothing.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:44:15 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our problem. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:45:49 PM EST
[#34]
I've got several rotations with the ANASOC Commandos. In over a decade working with them specifically I got to see them evolve into a very capable force. Ive spent a lot of time under fire with them in various kandaks.
It sucks to see it unfold like this.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:50:37 PM EST
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Most of the Commandos and Ktah Khas I worked with and met were good dudes. It’s a damned shame.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:50:44 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. We didn't start a war with them. They are what typically happens in any 3rd world county, cut the head off one bad guy and a second grows back. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:51:25 PM EST
[#37]
China gonna roll in and not have to worry about "War Crimes" because our MSM loves and is owned by them.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:56:15 PM EST
[#38]
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Probably safer in Afghanistan…. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 5:57:02 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always love reading the edgy GD responses to stuff like this. It really helps reinforce just how clueless most folks are. These dudes just gave their lives fighting for their country, which is an incredibly honorable sacrifice in its own right. Even more so when you consider that they fought until they exhausted every round of ammunition and probably knew reinforcements were not coming and they were going to die regardless. And most of those commandos are legit fighters with legit tactics and have been doing some pretty gangster shit for a long time. All things that should be commended. Yet here we are, in America, witnessing the erosion of our rights and the destruction of our country and most of you are on here shit posting from the comfort of your parents' basement, too lazy to do anything about it. ...All the while mocking a group of guys who made the ultimate sacrifice. The irony is palpable. This........so much this.... |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:02:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always love reading the edgy GD responses to stuff like this. It really helps reinforce just how clueless most folks are. These dudes just gave their lives fighting for their country, which is an incredibly honorable sacrifice in its own right. Even more so when you consider that they fought until they exhausted every round of ammunition and probably knew reinforcements were not coming and they were going to die regardless. And most of those commandos are legit fighters with legit tactics and have been doing some pretty gangster shit for a long time. All things that should be commended. Yet here we are, in America, witnessing the erosion of our rights and the destruction of our country and most of you are on here shit posting from the comfort of your parents' basement, too lazy to do anything about it. ...All the while mocking a group of guys who made the ultimate sacrifice. The irony is palpable. Yes they died for a county that doesn't want to be a normal county. AFG politicians/gov are one step removed from being a warlord. I'm positive the commandos understand hindu kush Muslim culture better than you or I. The Taliban understand that, they would never have let them live anyway, there are numerous blood feuds that last generations over abu stole my goat 6 lifetimes ago. Why they surrendered is beyond me, you fight till there is no one left to fight, hand to hand if they are going to kill you. Why the AFG government did not send everything they had to eradicate the enemy, you know the answer. They are only in it to line their pockets not for the welfare of the AFG people. 70-80% of the ANA gave up even when we were there. The AFG army lacks anything that resembles a functional fighting force. The SOF commandos wouldn't have needed to go in if the army did its job. No outsider will ever overcome the tribalism of that shithole of a country. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:02:20 PM EST
[#41]
Quoted: CNN was saying just a few days ago that China is looking for opportunities in Afghanistan, this will be fun to watch now that it won't involve American lives. Just watch Neo Cons will say we must go in and liberate the natives, mark my fucking words. Quoted: This on the other hand is something I don’t give two shits about. This....Let them fight! Quoted: The problem is though, this nation never recognized it as a War. A Declaration of War was never declared by the Congress, the people of this nation were never mobilized to win it. I'll never forget George Bush telling us to go buy DVD players after 9/11, because that's how we'd defeat the terrorists by living our lives as usual. I'm all for winning in Afghanistan, but we gave up trying to do that when we turned over the political governance of Afghanistan to the Afghans. The military outcome was tied to the success of the Afghan government, a government we influenced as best as we could, but couldn't directly control. It doomed our us in Afghanistan. People who can't read and write and who have barely ventured out of their local tribal areas their entire lives are not ready to carry out a sophisticated Constitutional Republic. What did we honestly expect? Should be an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that the U.S. can never again attempt to nation build in a place where an active civil war is being carried out. Before we showed up the Afghan people were in the middle of a long civil war between various factions. Iraq was a dictatorship that kept at bay an ethnic civil war. Vietnam was essentially a civil war between the North and the South. We need to learn our lesson, it's been a costly lesson. No more nation building in the middle of a civil war, it's not the ideal time to do so clearly. Odd how we stayed out of Latin America and Africa, isnt? Which I am all in favor of. Makes a person think about who is in control of foreign policy, does it not? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:04:10 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We shouldn't have ever been there or spent the first dime there. Nothing was ever going to change but American blood spilled and American dollars laundered back into American politicians pockets. I'm astonished people continue to join that shit We should’ve gone and laid waste and left a calling card that said “fuck up again and we’ll be back” screw nation building, especially in 13th Century shitholes. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:06:22 PM EST
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Quoted: Absolute bullshit... if the US wanted to they could paste half the planet overnight and make it shake and glow. THe US played with a limited set of ROE drafted by spineless communist politicians more interested in how the war would effect their portfolios rather than keeping US servicemen safe and allowing them to win the war. The idea that if the US got fully mobilized and couldnt beat some shithole like AFghanistan is beyond laughable.. I mean really what would those Taliban fucks do if you guys went stoneage and sent everything you had.. Nothing because next to the US all other nations militarily are second place. Has been the case since Spanish American War, maybe since the great mistake (IE the Union being allowed to win) |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:06:56 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. I wish we never made it our problem. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:09:43 PM EST
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Quoted: Where do you get some of the shit you post? I mean seriously,where did you get this? I’m curious as to how long this stupidity has rattled around in your head waiting to fall out of your ass. That is what I was told by a few guys who were over there, and that is why I asked. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:11:28 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is though, this nation never recognized it as a War. A Declaration of War was never declared by the Congress, the people of this nation were never mobilized to win it. I'll never forget George Bush telling us to go buy DVD players after 9/11, because that's how we'd defeat the terrorists by living our lives as usual. I'm all for winning in Afghanistan, but we gave up trying to do that when we turned over the political governance of Afghanistan to the Afghans. The military outcome was tied to the success of the Afghan government, a government we influenced as best as we could, but couldn't directly control. It doomed our us in Afghanistan. People who can't read and write and who have barely ventured out of their local tribal areas their entire lives are not ready to carry out a sophisticated Constitutional Republic. What did we honestly expect? Should be an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that the U.S. can never again attempt to nation build in a place where an active civil war is being carried out. Before we showed up the Afghan people were in the middle of a long civil war between various factions. Iraq was a dictatorship that kept at bay an ethnic civil war. Vietnam was essentially a civil war between the North and the South. We need to learn our lesson, it's been a costly lesson. No more nation building in the middle of a civil war, it's not the ideal time to do so clearly. Vietnam was complete stupidity by the American government. Our decision to back France and not the rebel regime was shortsighted and ignorant and cost 50,000 American lives. In 1957 Uncle Ho wanted American assistance. Eisenhower could have easily screwed Diem over, forced Ho to denounce Communism in name only, and the end result would be the same but without American blood. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:12:27 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always love reading the edgy GD responses to stuff like this. It really helps reinforce just how clueless most folks are. These dudes just gave their lives fighting for their country, which is an incredibly honorable sacrifice in its own right. Even more so when you consider that they fought until they exhausted every round of ammunition and probably knew reinforcements were not coming and they were going to die regardless. And most of those commandos are legit fighters with legit tactics and have been doing some pretty gangster shit for a long time. All things that should be commended. Yet here we are, in America, witnessing the erosion of our rights and the destruction of our country and most of you are on here shit posting from the comfort of your parents' basement, too lazy to do anything about it. ...All the while mocking a group of guys who made the ultimate sacrifice. The irony is palpable. GD: "these fucking savages should fight for their own countries instead of fleeing to a better life in the US!" Also GD: "LOL. I don't care if they died. They will never change AFG. What's the point in dying for that shithole?" |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:14:14 PM EST
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Sadly, this turn of events has been written on the wall for over a decade.
That is why we stayed for as long as we did. If they cannot find the means to stand and fight.....that's on them. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:19:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd how we stayed out of Latin America and Africa, isnt? Which I am all in favor of. Makes a person think about who is in control of foreign policy, does it not? Let me guess… The Neo-Con, Zionist, International Bankers? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:21:51 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. Tell that to Pat Tillmans wife. Tell that to my buddy whose fiancé got splattered all over a mountain in Afghanistan. Tell that to Marcus Lutrell, Chapman, Cunningham and the thousands of others who never came back. It IS our problem. If you start a war, you end the war. You stack bodies to the sky if that is what it takes. You eradicate the problem and ensure it never, ever comes back. So yes the instant we put troops on the ground in '01, it became our problem. Not to demean the dead, but their sacrifices were in vain, and I can confidently state that any if them that had been boots on ground for more than a week, they knew it. They were fighting for their oaths, and their buddies, not because they had any illusion that we had a chance of "winning". |
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