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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:56:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok...you really have me confused here. Historically, who has had the best relationship with Russia? According to you it's the Dem's. I won't argue with you there. Historically, who has had the toughest approach toward Russia? I will contend it was the Republicans and especially Reagan. Now try to explain clearly and cogently why things have flipped since Reagan. I contend the only thing that changed is Trump becoming president and the fellow Republicans following his lead in admiring the strong leadership skills of Putin. Reagan would be appalled by seeing Putin entangled in the Ukrainian mess, and congress sitting still waiting for a signal from their gifted leader (who Rex Tillerson called a "fucking moron") before sending aid. Russia is in a position Reagan would be having wet dreams about, and the fringe Republicans in the House are too stupid to take any kind of advantage...just to punk the Dem's. My take has long been that when the Hillary Uranium deal went through and Conservatives reacted so vigorously to "giving the Commies all our uranium" the Democrats in the smoke-filled room saw that anything they did to align a Republican with Russian cooperation would be a viable strategy to bleed Republican support from their base. Hence Russian Collusion, Moscow prostitutes, all the way to not making a deal with Ukrainian aid to paint the Republicans into a corner. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:21:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a Ukrainian guy I work with says this was done by the CIA. I believe he is off his meds but has this been brought up in this thread at all?  Well, the US created ISIS, so yes, duh! |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:27:13 AM EDT
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With all the under the table deals between democrats and Russia, it's almost like Russia is another Ukraine. It's the perfect distraction to always refer to Putin as the boogey man, while profiting from those deals. Democrats always accuse republicans of what they are doing.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:36:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a Ukrainian guy I work with says this was done by the CIA. I believe he is off his meds but has this been brought up in this thread at all? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you read page 1? People were calling CIA right out of the gate, no evidence needed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So a Ukrainian guy I work with says this was done by the CIA. I believe he is off his meds but has this been brought up in this thread at all? Did you read page 1? People were calling CIA right out of the gate, no evidence needed. Well I went back and reread the first two pages and maybe I missed it but I didn’t see mention of the CIA. I have not read the whole thread so I thought I’d ask. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:57:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I went back and reread the first two pages and maybe I missed it but I didn’t see mention of the CIA. I have not read the whole thread so I thought I’d ask. Sorry, I don't recall what page it first showed up on, so my bad. But yes, plenty of people saying CIA! After all, the US created ISIS.  I retract my comment. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:07:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the US created ISIS, so yes, duh! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So a Ukrainian guy I work with says this was done by the CIA. I believe he is off his meds but has this been brought up in this thread at all? Well, the US created ISIS, so yes, duh! Well he did say that to. He’s very conspiracy minded. Thinks our government was responsible for 9/11. Thinks the cargo ship last night was hacked and set on a course to crash. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:18:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well he did say that to. He's very conspiracy minded. Thinks our government was responsible for 9/11. Thinks the cargo ship last night was hacked and set on a course to crash. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:38:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's his screenname? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well he did say that to. He's very conspiracy minded. Thinks our government was responsible for 9/11. Thinks the cargo ship last night was hacked and set on a course to crash. He’s a shooter so the thoughts crossed my mind. More precision pistol shooting though. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:08:33 PM EDT
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 "Ukraine Directly Involved, West Facilitated" Moscow Attack, Russia Says; Kyiv Rejects "Lies" | ISIS |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russian border guards and FSB agents were seen furiously battering a man understood to be suspect Saidakrami Murodalii Rachabalizoda after chasing him through dense woodlands, in the 90-second-long clip shared to Telegram. Moments later, an enraged soldier sliced off Rachabalizoda's ear with a knife and forced him to eat it. Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/03/25/11/82856561-13235419-image-m-19_1711364703730.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/03/25/11/82856557-13235419-image-m-27_1711364787044.jpghttps://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/03/25/11/82856559-13235419-image-m-25_1711364754931.jpg Link Good. Our own government has done shit like that in the past, I'm sure. Wouldn't put it past the Russians to do the same shit. If he's one of the actual terrorists, I have *ZERO* compassion for whatever treatment he receives at those soldier's hands. Fuck him. He deserves worse. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I started a thread in 1999 and said "hey guys, Russian intelligence just blew up 4 blocks worth of apartment buildings in Moscow, killing 100's, wounding thousands, and is now using Islamic terrorism as an excuse to invade Checnya" I'm sure you'd be laughing at everyone with their "false flag" conspiracies telling us Islamic terrorism has been doing it for centuries No offense but I look at you guys in the same light you're judging others in this thread. It could absolutely be Occam's Razor here and ISIS is doing ISIS shit but the timing and circumstances seem pretty fucky https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings I have no problem with people questioning things. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not anymore made up then those yelling "Ukraine did it". Secondly, just look to the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings as an example. My posts are not meant to be backing Russia or Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryRussia poisoned Budanov's wife. He has been a target since day one. Nothing new. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:19:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:23:28 PM EDT
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That would be evil of Putin if true. Pure Evil. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:32:34 PM EDT
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Russian glo-bois.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be evil of Putin if true. Pure Evil. I’ve been harping on this since news of the attack broke. No, this isn’t a Uke Bro conspiracy. There is legit history of the Russians doing this type of thing. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been harping on this since news of the attack broke. No, this isn’t a Uke Bro conspiracy. There is legit history of the Russians doing this type of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:That would be evil of Putin if true. Pure Evil. I’ve been harping on this since news of the attack broke. No, this isn’t a Uke Bro conspiracy. There is legit history of the Russians doing this type of thing. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:45:05 PM EDT
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They're aping the FBI. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just sitting there fucking crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shooting in the main concert hall.
Just sitting there fucking crazy. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:56:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be evil of Putin if true. Pure Evil. That is classic Putin. He's truly a modern day Hitler. There is really nothing to contradict that. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I'm giving them too much credit when I say I doubt they'd be stupid enough to do that. How would it be stupid? The Kremlin has total control of media, so it's not like unapproved messaging can get out. If this rallies support for the war and mobilization, it's a win for Putin. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would it be stupid? The Kremlin has total control of media, so it's not like unapproved messaging can get out. If this rallies support for the war and mobilization, it's a win for Putin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think I'm giving them too much credit when I say I doubt they'd be stupid enough to do that. How would it be stupid? The Kremlin has total control of media, so it's not like unapproved messaging can get out. If this rallies support for the war and mobilization, it's a win for Putin. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:08:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would it be stupid? The Kremlin has total control of media, so it's not like unapproved messaging can get out. If this rallies support for the war and mobilization, it's a win for Putin. 1 - I’m not saying it’s impossible that ISIS would take credit for something they didn’t do, but it sure seems like Putin would’ve caught one heck of a lucky break if this was a false flag, and then ISIS just happens to divert blame out of the blue. And I don’t think ISIS would be all that willing to conspire WITH Putin to knowingly falsely claim responsibility. Either possibility strikes me as…highly unlikely. 2- If this was a false flag, you’d think they would’ve put a lot more effort into directly tying the perpetrators to Ukraine. As it is, using some jihadist Tajiks (which ISIS claims as their own) isn’t really cutting it. Sure, Putin has made some statements that sort of half-heartedly hint at this (“they were fleeing in that general direction” ). But no “bombshell” revelation to enrage the masses. And there hasn’t been any really decisive action either. If this were a true false flag, I’d expect an announcement within 24 hours that they had “proof” the attack was directed by the government in Kiev, with a big announcement (huge mobilization, major escalation, etc) within days. “Strike while the iron is hot” sort of thing. What we’ve seen is more consistent with embarrassing dithering, trying to deflect blame from the fact WE WARNED THEM THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND THEY STILL DROPPED THE BALL.I’m not totally discounting that this could’ve been a false flag, but it sure seems to be a crappy one if it was. Doesn’t really make sense to me, unless there is more to come… |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the US created ISIS Nice. Looks we're getting to the part in Star Wars where Darth Vader gives Leia/Lieh (sp?) the truth serum. Enough about ISIS, which planet has the rebel base? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:37:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. Looks we're getting to the part in Star Wars where Darth Vader gives Leia/Lieh (sp?) the truth serum. Enough about ISIS, which planet has the rebel base? Ironically Russia allowed this attack to happen through the FSB.      Like I said, shades of 1999. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't even begin to imagine all the stuff that the Rooskes have shoved up the assholes of the captured ISIS guys. We're probably talking like 2" schedule 40 pipe. Maybe even 2-1/2". I wonder if Russia can do a version of the pony show, but with a boar and a man. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:27:04 AM EDT
[#30]
 US Blame On ISIS "Incriminating Evidence" In Moscow Attack, Russia Says | Putin Calls for “Humanism” |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:51:53 PM EDT
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Man, Putin is quite a character. Calling for humanism and mercy.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:53:30 PM EDT
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LUZ...
 They must have slipped and fell...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-concert-hall-attack-suspects-court-putin-isis-searching/ |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:07:34 PM EDT
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Russian news
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:46:31 AM EDT
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Now they are saying attackers received money & cryptocurrency from Ukraine
 “Mystery Man” Told Moscow Attack Suspects To “Flee To Ukraine” | Russia Arrests More Central Asians |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:36:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now they are saying attackers received money & cryptocurrency from Ukraine  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQtE9yp22UUSure thing, Vlad. lol |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:58:28 PM EDT
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In all seriousness, what will the Rooskies do to those Snackbars?
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In all seriousness, what will the Rooskies do to those Snackbars? Pretend that they deserve due process, torture them for information and as soon as they become useless they will die. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretend that they deserve due process, torture them for information and as soon as they become useless they will die. What agency will be the muscle? |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:12:24 PM EDT
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What exactly would we have to gain from orchestrating this attack? What would Ukraine gain? Not a military target and it would only risk increasing support for the war in Russia. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the upside. Was there some important official there or something that we wanted eliminated?
What would the Russians gain from doing it? Seems like they would present a bunch of fake evidence to blame Ukraine if that was the case. Only thing that would even make sense is if they're wanted an excuse to go into Afghanistan again but I'm sure that's not the case. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In all seriousness, what will the Rooskies do to those Snackbars? Torture them, and make them say things that conform to the narrative they have invented for the situation. Russia was warned, with enough details to prevent the attack. They didn’t. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly would we have to gain from orchestrating this attack? What would Ukraine gain? Not a military target and it would only risk increasing support for the war in Russia. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the upside. Was there some important official there or something that we wanted eliminated? What would the Russians gain from doing it? Seems like they would present a bunch of fake evidence to blame Ukraine if that was the case. Only thing that would even make sense is if they're wanted an excuse to go into Afghanistan again but I'm sure that's not the case. Ukraine gains nothing. I think that is pretty obvious. It could hurt them. As far as us, who knows. The intentions and goals of our government are hard to guess. They don't act in our best interest, so its entirely possible they gain something in their own mind. I'm not saying we did it, I doubt we did. But I wouldn't say our government is above it or that they gain nothing. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 4:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In all seriousness, what will the Rooskies do to those Snackbars? It seems like Russia hasn’t done much since the attack |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 4:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems like Russia hasn’t done much since the attack I meant the Snackbars that perpetrated the attack. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:44:59 AM EDT
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https://archive.is/NxQ4y
More than two weeks before terrorists staged a bloody attack in the suburbs of Moscow, the U.S. government told Russian officials that Crocus City Hall, a popular concert venue, was a potential target, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter. The Russian leader himself publicly dismissed U.S. warnings just three days before the March 22 attack, calling them “outright blackmail” and attempts to “intimidate and destabilize our society.” Naryshkin said that in response to the U.S. intelligence, Russia “took appropriate measures to prevent” an attack. But video from the scene of the slaughter shows the gunmen facing no significant resistance. Russian media has reported that specialized police units did not arrive until more than an hour after the shooting started, and then waited more than 30 minutes before entering the building, by which point the assailants had already escaped. |
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