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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:42:37 PM EDT
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This is Elon Musk releasing some of the negative news in order that he not go to jail.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:45:06 PM EDT
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I want an electric car that performs well in double-digit below zero temperatures, has all-wheel-drive, can be driven off road, tow at least 5000 pounds, and has at least 300 miles range and can be recharged in remote locations in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:51:56 PM EDT
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Someone good at math? How many cars would Tesla need to sell to actually turn a profit based on current debt, MSRP per unit, excluding future operating costs. Ballpark... |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:54:44 PM EDT
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Don't forget recharge time has to be 5 minutes or less. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:26:12 PM EDT
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I believe he announced on Friday that they have over 500,000 model 3s on pre order. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:35:56 PM EDT
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The press has tried to figure that out analyzing external indicators, as well as directly challenging Tesla about that claim. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:49:56 PM EDT
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Prototype builds like this among OEMs are almost always done in secrecy. You know what a company does when it's desperate? Start advertising that they are building something that is nowhere near production ready. I've seen it happen before in companies I worked for shorty before they failed. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:55:47 PM EDT
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1.14 BILLION, fuck yes that's a shitload of cars Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The press has tried to figure that out analyzing external indicators, as well as directly challenging Tesla about that claim. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 11:00:49 PM EDT
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New ford bronco. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 11:54:12 PM EDT
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Has Ford promised a release date and started taking orders. With the Big 7 or whatever, they show concept car/truck/ect/ect at every auto show they never promise a date certain or even a year certain unless they can deliver...they also do not take pre-orders from the general public to the tunes of a 250k or better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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New ford bronco. I'm no Ford Fanboy - but they sold more F-150s and superduties in Canada, than Tesla sold cars in 2016. Twice as many. Like 149k vs 76k. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:00:45 AM EDT
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I could find some pink sheets stocks with better fundamentals. But it pays to be in bed with the government. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:02:40 AM EDT
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I was curious so I did some quick and lazy googling. I'm no Ford Fanboy - but they sold more F-150s and superduties in Canada, than Tesla sold cars in 2016. Twice as many. Like 149k vs 76k. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:44:35 AM EDT
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Musk does not have the manufacturing base to fill his orders.
He cannot build the cars he promised to build and get them to the lemmings that put down deposits and orders for them. They won't get their cars, they won't get their money back. Go figure ! |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:59:30 AM EDT
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Tesla is the best chance we (USA) have at ever exporting a car again.
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:37:47 AM EDT
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The press has tried to figure that out analyzing external indicators, as well as directly challenging Tesla about that claim. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:04:30 AM EDT
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I was curious so I did some quick and lazy googling. I'm no Ford Fanboy - but they sold more F-150s and superduties in Canada, than Tesla sold cars in 2016. Twice as many. Like 149k vs 76k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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New ford bronco. I'm no Ford Fanboy - but they sold more F-150s and superduties in Canada, than Tesla sold cars in 2016. Twice as many. Like 149k vs 76k. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:16:43 AM EDT
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1.14 BILLION, fuck yes that's a shitload of cars Tesla has 1.14 Billion dollars worth of unsold models S and X on their hands, but not one single production Model 3 for which they have ostensibly already received customer cash deposits for a half a million cars. And now Musk finally raises the proposition of the company going through "manufacturing hell" in making the jump from building 30 cars by hand for Alpha testing by employees, to the mass assembly line production of a half million cars for the customers whose money they've already taken. Interesting times are coming to a head for Tesla. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:21:30 AM EDT
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That's the dollar amount of unsold inventory on hand , and not the number of unsold cars. Tesla has 1.14 Billion dollars worth of unsold models S and X on their hands, but not one single production Model 3 for which they have ostensibly already received customer cash deposits for a half a million cars. And now Musk finally raises the proposition of the company going through "manufacturing hell" in making the jump from building 30 cars by hand for Alpha testing by employees, to the mass assembly line production of a half million cars for the customers whose money they've already taken. Interesting times are coming to a head for Tesla. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1.14 BILLION, fuck yes that's a shitload of cars Tesla has 1.14 Billion dollars worth of unsold models S and X on their hands, but not one single production Model 3 for which they have ostensibly already received customer cash deposits for a half a million cars. And now Musk finally raises the proposition of the company going through "manufacturing hell" in making the jump from building 30 cars by hand for Alpha testing by employees, to the mass assembly line production of a half million cars for the customers whose money they've already taken. Interesting times are coming to a head for Tesla. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:32:35 AM EDT
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if he said it was a smooth transition and everything was going well, I would expect the US Marshalls to be impounding his assets and seizing his passport any day. You can't go from 30 cars with hand assembly to thousands by automation without teething problems. Kharn Originally, the press releases from the company stated words to the effect that "the first 30 cars off the production line were being delivered to the first 30 customers." The actuality, which consisted of hand built cars being turned over to employees for Alpha testing borders on fraud IMO. Here's what I said at the top of this page: "This is Elon Musk releasing some of the negative news in order that he not go to jail." |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:38:42 AM EDT
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76 day supply is well within the range of industry standard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The press has tried to figure that out analyzing external indicators, as well as directly challenging Tesla about that claim. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. I was under the impression that Tesla sold every car that they made and had a waiting list of buyers (not including the model 3). Interesting real world observation. Watched a video on a non car related youtube channel where a guy had purchased a new model X. He had to go from Los Angeles to San Diego for an event. Car was fully charged when he left. When he arrived in San Diego he had about 20 miles of range left. It is only 129 miles from downtown LA to downtown SD, the model X supposedly has a 300 mile range. So I guess the 300 miles of range is on a straight, flat road at a steady 65 mph with the AC and infotainment stuff powered off. Real world results appear to be significantly less. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:56:17 AM EDT
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car?
-limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:56:35 AM EDT
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Uber burns money, Telsa burns money, and I think NetFlix has not made a dime but still burning money.
Make you wonder how savy investors are nowadays. For gen x,y, and millennials, apparently not. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 10:45:15 AM EDT
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No, I think similar to model s taking sales from Audi A7/8, Mercedes s class, bmw 6/7 series, Porsche panamara..... Tesla model s outsells each of these. Model s sales increases roughly match the decreases to thes models I think we will see a similar result to model three getting Mercedes c class, BMW 3, Audi A4/5 If history is any guide that is what my expectation is. If/when model Y comes around that's when I think you will see the corolla market making the choice I still think the Model S sales are mostly novelty around here. Not too many are primary vehicles and even fewer families would consider electric only for all of their vehicles. Mostly soccer moms running kids around. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:43:23 AM EDT
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car? -limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:49:04 AM EDT
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why the fuck is their stock at $321?
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:52:56 AM EDT
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Wow. I was under the impression that Tesla sold every car that they made and had a waiting list of buyers (not including the model 3). Interesting real world observation. Watched a video on a non car related youtube channel where a guy had purchased a new model X. He had to go from Los Angeles to San Diego for an event. Car was fully charged when he left. When he arrived in San Diego he had about 20 miles of range left. It is only 129 miles from downtown LA to downtown SD, the model X supposedly has a 300 mile range. So I guess the 300 miles of range is on a straight, flat road at a steady 65 mph with the AC and infotainment stuff powered off. Real world results appear to be significantly less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The press has tried to figure that out analyzing external indicators, as well as directly challenging Tesla about that claim. Elon Musk has been absolutely silent on how many of those 500,000 reservations were cancelled and what the present number of reservations are. 2 August is Tesla earnings, and it will be interesting to learn how much inventory is sitting on lots. Finished goods (cars on the ground appears to be around 1.14 billion/76 day supply) That's a lot of unsold inventory collecting dust and costing Tesla much needed cash. I was under the impression that Tesla sold every car that they made and had a waiting list of buyers (not including the model 3). Interesting real world observation. Watched a video on a non car related youtube channel where a guy had purchased a new model X. He had to go from Los Angeles to San Diego for an event. Car was fully charged when he left. When he arrived in San Diego he had about 20 miles of range left. It is only 129 miles from downtown LA to downtown SD, the model X supposedly has a 300 mile range. So I guess the 300 miles of range is on a straight, flat road at a steady 65 mph with the AC and infotainment stuff powered off. Real world results appear to be significantly less. Musk said in one of his Model 3 speeches that if you ordered an S or X that day, you would take delivery in about a month. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:53:10 AM EDT
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Uber burns money, Telsa burns money, and I think NetFlix has not made a dime but still burning money. Make you wonder how savy investors are nowadays. For gen x,y, and millennials, apparently not. It's almost as if you focus on growing your company long term and reinvest in yourself, instead of looking only towards next quarter's profit and executives creating their own golden parachutes, companies perform better long term... Imagine that... 
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:56:47 AM EDT
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car? -limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way. I've been looking at one of Zero motorcycles for a while now. I only live 13 miles from work, so range isn't much of a concern. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:40:53 PM EDT
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While I've not witnessed this for myself (read it here as a matter of fact) - Don't (some) EV owners have a habit of plugging their car up to any available power outlet while parked? Free go-go juice is a hell of an incentive. Keep in mind that the fluff emanating from the company and the fanboys always emphasizes the charge rate provided by the unicorn Supercharging Stations rather than the actual options available to owners at home or at work. https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:48:14 PM EDT
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The truth about charging rates for the Tesla cars. Keep in mind that the fluff emanating from the company and the fanboys always emphasizes the charge rate provided by the unicorn Supercharging Stations rather than the actual options available to owners at home or at work. https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I've not witnessed this for myself (read it here as a matter of fact) - Don't (some) EV owners have a habit of plugging their car up to any available power outlet while parked? Free go-go juice is a hell of an incentive. Keep in mind that the fluff emanating from the company and the fanboys always emphasizes the charge rate provided by the unicorn Supercharging Stations rather than the actual options available to owners at home or at work. https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Wow. I was under the impression that Tesla sold every car that they made and had a waiting list of buyers (not including the model 3). Tesla has worked hard to keep up the impression that every car coming off of the assembly line is going straight to a customer, but their SEC filings tell a different story. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:10:31 PM EDT
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Don't forget recharge time has to be 5 minutes or less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want an electric car that performs well in double-digit below zero temperatures, has all-wheel-drive, can be driven off road, tow at least 5000 pounds, and has at least 300 miles range and can be recharged in remote locations in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:10:33 PM EDT
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In for the GD stock experts to voice their opinion on cars and a company they know nothing about.  No one wants to know? Or no one wants to fork over the cash to know. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:28:44 PM EDT
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The truth about charging rates for the Tesla cars. Keep in mind that the fluff emanating from the company and the fanboys always emphasizes the charge rate provided by the unicorn Supercharging Stations rather than the actual options available to owners at home or at work. https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ Secondly, most BEV owners don't need to charge up every night. Do you guys fill up your gas powered vehicles every night? Nope. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on the supercharger network. I use a Level 1 charger which is more than enough for my daily commute. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:22:39 PM EDT
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car? -limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way. 
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:33:30 PM EDT
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The truth is, most people drive about 35 miles a day so, a super charging network is not that critical. Secondly, most BEV owners don't need to charge up every night. Do you guys fill up your gas powered vehicles every night? Nope. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on the supercharger network. I use a Level 1 charger which is more than enough for my daily commute. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The truth about charging rates for the Tesla cars. Keep in mind that the fluff emanating from the company and the fanboys always emphasizes the charge rate provided by the unicorn Supercharging Stations rather than the actual options available to owners at home or at work. https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ Secondly, most BEV owners don't need to charge up every night. Do you guys fill up your gas powered vehicles every night? Nope. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on the supercharger network. I use a Level 1 charger which is more than enough for my daily commute. Keep in mind that most truck buyers are capability buyers, whether they use that utility of the truck a lot or not. 10,000lbs towing, 1,500lb payload, baja capable (mall crawler), a winch that will collect dust, etc etc. Pickup trucks comprise a big, BIG sales block in the US. THAT is the mentality of the buyers of those vehicles. "Well I mean, I can charge it for a looong fuckin time for a single 35 mile commute for a $100,000 car" does not appeal to a guy for whom his $50,000 truck and a service lifetime of gasoline and parts cost less than that - for a vehicle that was more capable in everything but 0-60 acceleration, through the duration of the vehicles life. Superior payload Superior ground clearance Superior towing Superior offroad (to current production electric offerings) Longer fuel range, quicker fueling times, ability to carry gas cans with the vehicle offroad Ease of maintenance/availability of parts (Hey, it's an argument for rifle and pistol platforms, it applies to cars too.) Being able to get your oil changed anywhere is not insignificant. Less expensive total cost of ownership A guy who drives a king ranch superduty every day, has at least 300lbs in it at all times, lives in a cold state (needs 4x4 vs battery argument here), in a place far away from neighbors and HOA tyranny - goes several hundred miles between fill ups, does not give a fuck about "muh EPA", and "the theoretical MPGs are higher, even though the vehicle costs far and away more to begin with and is not as capable. BUT IT'S NEW THO AND THE VEHICLES A GENERATION FROM NOW WILL BE GOOD." IMHO there's a bunch of good reasons why Tesla is not universally loved in all segments of automobile buyers, despite what the tech hipsters turned autobloggers (who love cars so much that they can't wait for electric motored, plastic bodied, self driving cars with no driver input, cause muh gubmint) want to believe. They have a long, long, LONG fucking way to go to become interesting to the non-apple buyer types in the car market. Impossible? No. "The future", sure, maybe - but it's looking more and more like that date is further away than the technophiles want to admit. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:34:27 PM EDT
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A thought occurred to me - On the surface it looks like a shell game. Why is Tesla $18+ billion in debt and growing, still operating, funded? It's operating costs outpace it's profit. Why is Tesla still in operation?
Industry Standard. ETA: With that purpose in mind, I can get behind Tesla. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:41:21 PM EDT
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You're going to have a hell of a hard time selling electric cars to apartment dwellers unless the complexes add charging stations (good luck with that, unless the gov't susidizes). I still think the Model S sales are mostly novelty around here. Not too many are primary vehicles and even fewer families would consider electric only for all of their vehicles. Mostly soccer moms running kids around. https://www.plugshare.com/?location=12337 ETA: map is only public chargers, there are many many more installed for residents only in more apartment buildings. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:46:29 PM EDT
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He was rich beyond most of our wildest dreams before Tesla. How many of us use PayPal over in the EE? |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:57:39 PM EDT
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Tesla makes about 25% on each Model S and X they sell. If Tesla stopped investing for growth they would have very good profits. Those profits would not justify the sky-high share price. Tesla's current valuation is based on potential grow! They are making very large capital investments for growth. If the demand for their products does not continue to grow then they will go bankrupt. A lot of investors seem to believe that Tesla has great growth potential.
Just like the early stockholders at Amazon, the Tesla stockholders are taking a chance. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:57:48 PM EDT
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Nvm
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Posted: 8/1/2017 3:24:46 PM EDT
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I want an electric car that performs well in double-digit below zero temperatures, has all-wheel-drive, can be driven off road, tow at least 5000 pounds, and has at least 300 miles range and can be recharged in remote locations in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. 
I presume you just throw some solar panels in the back, it'll charge eventually. There's something to it as a Zombie Apocalypse vehicle, instead of hunting for refined fuel. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:26:57 PM EDT
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While I've not witnessed this for myself (read it here as a matter of fact) - Don't (some) EV owners have a habit of plugging their car up to any available power outlet while parked? Free go-go juice is a hell of an incentive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car? -limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:55:00 PM EDT
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While I've not witnessed this for myself (read it here as a matter of fact) - Don't (some) EV owners have a habit of plugging their car up to any available power outlet while parked? Free go-go juice is a hell of an incentive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a question: Why would anybody want to buy an electric car? -limited range -long charging times -marginal performance at highway speeds I just dont see it. I understand hybrids, but for those that live in regions where solar power isnt a great option, I just dont understand buying a vehicle that you have to plug in. Even for those in sun rich environments, I'd rather use that power to keep my lights on. I see Tesla's running around here with custom license plates: ZROEMSN, 0 CARBON, NOPRINT. Are these people morons? They're driving around in a vehicle full of heavy metal batteries mined in countries with no emission regulations. Not for me. Tesla can fuck off. Plus they all look the same. You're telling me you'd rather drive a Model X over a BMW X5. Not a chance. Or their sedan over a Mercedes S-Class. No way.
Many places allow customers to charge their EV for free. The electricity is cheap and it brings in a customer who is generally of above average income. Some employers offer free charging for their employees as well. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 5:07:14 PM EDT
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Secondly, most BEV owners don't need to charge up every night. Do you guys fill up your gas powered vehicles every night? Nope. . 
Of course the guy guys don't need to fill up every night at 35 miles a day, that's maybe 1/10th of our range, and if we need to make an unexpected trip it's a 5 minute stop at a gas station for full range. On the other hand that 35m is about 1/3 the range for an EV. If you need to make that side trip you may be fucked. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 5:54:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:06:31 PM EDT
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Tesla makes about 25% on each Model S and X they sell. If Tesla stopped investing for growth they would have very good profits. Those profits would not justify the sky-high share price. Tesla's current valuation is based on potential grow! They are making very large capital investments for growth. If the demand for their products does not continue to grow then they will go bankrupt. A lot of investors seem to believe that Tesla has great growth potential. Just like the early stockholders at Amazon, the Tesla stockholders are taking a chance. If Tesla stopped investing for growth they would then only lose money on every car they make, instead of losing money on every car they make and losing money by investing in growth like they do now. The best they can do is stop losing money altogether. They would do this by ceasing to invest in growth, and turning off the assembly lines for all of their products. They currently have no avenue to make a net profit, and it looks unlikely that that will change any time soon. The demand for their products has already stopped growing. S sales have been flat for 7 quarters. X sales have been flat for 4 quarters. Powerwall sales are virtually nonexistent. The Solar Roof is a vaporware hoax product. In the coming quarters we'll see how well they can increase Model 3 production, how many of the 500,000 gross reservations become orders, and what the actual demand is. Amazon stockholders were not taking near the risk. Amazon had free cash flow after only about 4 years of operation. Tesla is 14 years old and has never had positive free cash flow. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:24:55 PM EDT
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The truth is, most people drive about 35 miles a day so, a super charging network is not that critical. Secondly, most BEV owners don't need to charge up every night. Do you guys fill up your gas powered vehicles every night? Nope. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on the supercharger network. I use a Level 1 charger which is more than enough for my daily commute. It actually sounds very restrictive and limiting. 
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:25:42 PM EDT
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I only came in here to say that elon musk is a total flaming faggot. his cars suck, and i hope he blows up on his spaceship.
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:37:35 PM EDT
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It actually sounds very restrictive and limiting. https://www.pluglesspower.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Tesla-charge-times.jpg ETA: Oh, I see where you got your chart from, some wireless charging system, no wonder it takes so long compared to the Tesla wall chargers. |
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