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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:33:17 PM EST
 Tesla Semi Delivery Event How do the Arfcom truckers feel about this? Probably no range but power, less maintenance, acceleration, regen breaking. Good day trucking but not OTR? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:35:50 PM EST
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How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:36:46 PM EST
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:38:04 PM EST
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Honestly a pretty cool idea for the last mile use.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:38:06 PM EST
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So now just like cars the .gov will be able to shut off trucking if the proles get uppity.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:39:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly a pretty cool idea for the last mile use. Good point. At a port, it defeats the bullshit regs that cali did that screwed up loading/offloading trucks. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:43:18 PM EST
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Electric makes far more sense for trucking than it does for personally-owned vehicles.
I have no idea if the Tesla version is going to be successful, but it’s coming in one form or another. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:44:48 PM EST
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Damn, he pulled a Steve Jobs saying deliveries start now. It looks like a great product and I hope it does well.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:44:58 PM EST
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:49:17 PM EST
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It was cool hearing them saying it was really hard testing breaks on prolonged declines because the regen breaking was keeping the actual breaks cold every time.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:50:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now just like cars the .gov will be able to shut off trucking if the proles get uppity. Auto shutoff is coming for every car. Electricity is more decentralized than diesel is. Though. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:51:30 PM EST
[#11]
Not a trucker but good for Tesla.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:52:02 PM EST
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:52:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was cool hearing them saying it was really hard testing breaks on prolonged declines because the regen breaking was keeping the actual breaks cold every time. Brakes dammit, BRAKES!  
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:55:13 PM EST
[#14]
As an ex trucker. I gotta say that thing is ugly AF.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:57:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:58:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they mentioned that electric trucks can go up to 82k lbs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit. Perfect so they can fit 1 ton of cargo on their 40 ton truck! |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:00:09 PM EST
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Slowly have become a Musk fan, just don't like the average Tesla owner . Always think of the movie " Tucker ,a man and his dreams ", how did Musk overcome Big Auto ?
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:00:19 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: they mentioned that electric trucks can go up to 82k lbs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit. How convenient.  |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:02:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Video mentioned electric truck limits are 2000lbs higher....so I'm going with at least 1 ton. It'll be interesting to see this play out. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:05:03 PM EST
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Not surprised at this.
Tesla has been running them in mid-south Arizona for the last two years. There is a refrigerated 10 wheel box truck that has been making regular runs to the Shell gas station at the junction of SR 87 (87 yup!) and SR 387 all summer/year long. That would be a max load test of the battery for a day cabber on a dedicated daily route. The Semis have mostly been flatbeds running LTL (Less Than full Load) concrete blocks as weight. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:08:04 PM EST
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I'm surprised they don't have a van. That would be a great choice for a local delivery company or any business that relies on local and frequent deliveries.
But imagine an Amazon facility full of them. They'd probably need a dedicated nuke plant. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:08:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The battery in a passenger car weighs that much. A rig would need 10s of thousands of pounds of battery to haul OTR full weight loads for 10 hours straight. It'll be interesting to see this play out. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:08:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was cool hearing them saying it was really hard testing breaks on prolonged declines because the regen breaking was keeping the actual breaks cold every time. If you're not a shitty driver you shouldn't have hot brakes ever going downhill. If you do you aren't in the correct gear or you fucked up. If I'm on a long downgrade it's pretty rare for me to ever even tap my brakes going downhill, let alone heat them up. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:09:15 PM EST
[#25]
American company. If it is capitalistically feasible, then great win. If subsidies are needed, fuck it.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:11:24 PM EST
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Holy hell... Cooled charging cables pushing a megawatt dc....
Does the thing fit in a boring company tunnel? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:13:16 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was cool hearing them saying it was really hard testing Whew! Spelling OCD mode is now off. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:14:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they said that the main drive motor is the size of a football. I guess there is a lot of weight savings by not needed an ICE The motors in Tesla passenger cars are bigger than that. An engine and transmission in a rig probably weigh....5k lbs or so if I had to guess? There is probably someone here that actually knows. Doesn't seem like enough battery but we'll see I guess. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:15:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now just like cars the .gov will be able to shut off trucking if the proles get uppity. If you haven't seen the connectivity they are pushing to ALL new cars then I have some bad news for you.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:18:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many tons of batteries is it gonna have? Might detract from the cargo weight with 80,000lb gross weight limit. Tractor is around 27k pounds. A diesel tractor is around 25k pounds. Not a huge difference. I mean current trucks hold up to 300 gallons of diesel that’s an extra 2,100lbs for a full tank. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:20:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tractor is around 27k pounds. A diesel tractor is around 25k pounds. Not a huge difference. I mean current trucks hold up to 300 gallons of diesel that’s an extra 2,100lbs for a full tank. Which is probably the extra 2k. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:21:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The battery in a passenger car weighs that much. A rig would need 10s of thousands of pounds of battery to haul OTR full weight loads for 10 hours straight. It'll be interesting to see this play out. 10’s of thousands of pounds The battery pack weighs around 8k pounds.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:22:43 PM EST
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If you really wanted to make an impact on trucking you’d make single lanes on freeways dedicated to freight with suspended cables and driverless vehicles like urban trains.
No batteries, all electric, just get a vehicle on the line and let it run to its hub. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:25:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10's of thousands of pounds The battery pack weighs around 8k pounds.Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:27:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you really wanted to make an impact on trucking you’d make single lanes on freeways dedicated to freight with suspended cables and driverless vehicles like urban trains. No batteries, all electric, just get a vehicle on the line and let it run to its hub. Or we could make them diesel electric and call them trains. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:32:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can it haul 80k gross across any elevation for 8-10 hours like a modern diesel? Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10's of thousands of pounds The battery pack weighs around 8k pounds.Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? Being estimated that it’s capacity is 44 tons of cargo across 500 miles. So probably local with over night charging. I don’t think it can replace OTR |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:35:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being estimated that it's capacity is 44 tons of cargo across 500 miles. So probably local with over night charging. I don't think it can replace OTR |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:38:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we could make them diesel electric and call them trains. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you really wanted to make an impact on trucking you’d make single lanes on freeways dedicated to freight with suspended cables and driverless vehicles like urban trains. No batteries, all electric, just get a vehicle on the line and let it run to its hub. Or we could make them diesel electric and call them trains. Way to shit on your own screen name. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:38:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can it haul 80k gross across any elevation for 8-10 hours like a modern diesel? Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:42:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can it haul 80k gross across any elevation for 8-10 hours like a modern diesel? Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10's of thousands of pounds The battery pack weighs around 8k pounds.Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? I think the Teslas are intended to be more regional or local. Something like Walmart transporting stuff from their distribution centers to their stores. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:44:29 PM EST
[#41]
I'm kind of interested, but am not watching a 57 minute Tesla video.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:44:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can it haul 80k gross across any elevation for 8-10 hours like a modern diesel? Saying it weighs 8k without also detailing its capability in the real world is kinda meaningless. The Ford lightning can go 300 miles until you ask it to tow 7k lbs up a hill, then it goes 80. Is the Tesla rig an OTR replacement or local only? At 41:15 in the video they show an 8 hour, 500mi run at full load from Fresno to San Diego |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:46:04 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At 41:15 in the video they show an 8 hour, 500mi run at full load from Fresno to San Diego |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:47:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tractor is around 27k pounds. A diesel tractor is around 25k pounds. Not a huge difference. I mean current trucks hold up to 300 gallons of diesel that’s an extra 2,100lbs for a full tank. These will do ok for a truck that comes back to a warehouse every night. It will be decades before the infrastructure will be built out to charge multiple trucks at a truck stop in a reasonable time. My 2014 Pete 389 280" wb with a ISX 15, Eaton 18spd, and Eaton 40k rears weighs 22000lbs. Most dry van loads are 45k and flatbed 48k, so even with its extra 2k it still falls short of Hauling them. As to their amazing regen brakes, ask my 700k old brake pads how the ISX engine break works. And my average gross weight is around 95k and up to 105k on 5 axles doing "heavy haul" or anything up to 65k on my RGN. I want to see how far it goes with one of these loaded up. At 105k I can go about 800 miles between fueling  ]
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:54:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These will do ok for a truck that comes back to a warehouse every night. It will be decades before the infrastructure will be built out to charge multiple trucks at a truck stop in a reasonable time. My 2014 Pete 389 280" wb with a ISX 15, Eaton 18spd, and Eaton 40k rears weighs 22000lbs. Most dry van loads are 45k and flatbed 48k, so even with its extra 2k it still falls short of Hauling them. As to their amazing regen brakes, ask my 700k old brake pads how the ISX engine break works. And my average gross weight is around 95k and up to 105k on 5 axles doing "heavy haul" or anything up to 65k on my RGN. I want to see how far it goes with one of these loaded up. At 105k I can go about 800 miles between fueling https://i.postimg.cc/XYRnF6PY/20190607-191518-01.jpg] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tractor is around 27k pounds. A diesel tractor is around 25k pounds. Not a huge difference. I mean current trucks hold up to 300 gallons of diesel that’s an extra 2,100lbs for a full tank. These will do ok for a truck that comes back to a warehouse every night. It will be decades before the infrastructure will be built out to charge multiple trucks at a truck stop in a reasonable time. My 2014 Pete 389 280" wb with a ISX 15, Eaton 18spd, and Eaton 40k rears weighs 22000lbs. Most dry van loads are 45k and flatbed 48k, so even with its extra 2k it still falls short of Hauling them. As to their amazing regen brakes, ask my 700k old brake pads how the ISX engine break works. And my average gross weight is around 95k and up to 105k on 5 axles doing "heavy haul" or anything up to 65k on my RGN. I want to see how far it goes with one of these loaded up. At 105k I can go about 800 miles between fueling https://i.postimg.cc/XYRnF6PY/20190607-191518-01.jpg] Ya well bro. It’s definitely not as baller as your souped up lo-boy hauler. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:09:40 PM EST
[#46]
Once they get autonomous driving figured out, range or max loads won't be as much an issue. Although trucks would have to charge for an hour or so every 500 miles, without a driver the trucks would run continuously 20 hours a day and be cheaper to operate without a driver.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:19:49 PM EST
[#47]
Weird, the driver sits in the center of the cab.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:21:42 PM EST
[#48]
those ice road truckers could use a fleet of em
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:25:30 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you haven't seen the connectivity they are pushing to ALL new cars then I have some bad news for you. I have seen it. Now it’s going to be a two pronged attack. Not only will you be to drive to the store but neither can the stores suppliers. If you want to work and eat you better move to the big city and use public transportation. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:57:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not familiar with the terrain, lots of hills or ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At 41:15 in the video they show an 8 hour, 500mi run at full load from Fresno to San Diego That takes you through the grapevine which has a summit of around 4,100 ft. |
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