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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:51:01 PM EDT
[#1]
I have no desire for an EV, but if I did, I would exclusively be looking at Tesla. The people that do want an EV are already buying them, and they're buying Tesla.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:22:26 PM EDT
[#2]
So of the 70 million Vehicles sold worldwide in a year, only 1-2 million are EVs?
And they think ICE vehicles will be gone in 10 years. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. "Going bankrupt any day now" -GD 2019 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Niche" is what all EV sales are. Tesla has exploited that niche. Unless EVs expand so that normal people want them, they will remain a niche product. Yep now show that bar chart against total vehicles any major current manufacturer has. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:34:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let the government put their finger on the scale as they get more pissed off with Musk. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of batteries manufactured out of American made Lithium, right ? Not yet, but there certainly will be considering we have one of the largest reserves of lithium in the world. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:08:46 PM EDT
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Musk is going to go down as another Henry Ford. His gigpress process is changing the way automobiles are built, it's not just that they are EV's but that he can produce the chassis structure of the model 3 refresh as just two investment castings and the battery pack. MUCH cheaper than welding together 150-200 steel stampings that all other automakers use to produce cars. The bad part of this is trying to fix these cars after a crash is going to be very expensive as trying to straighten an aluminum casting after it gets bent is very difficult and very prone to failure. The proper way to do it would be to replace the casting, but this is also very expensive in labor costs to swap all the suspension parts etc.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:14:44 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Niche" is what all EV sales are. Tesla has exploited that niche. Unless EVs expand so that normal people want them, they will remain a niche product. Normal people already want them in droves. I think the model Y is the highest selling car in the USA. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:15:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla has been around since 2003. They launched thier first car in 2008 and turned a Net profit in 2020. One major issue for Tesla is that a lot of their income comes from selling EV credits to its competitors. Once the competition is producing EVs in volume that revenue stream goes away. They’ve been competing directly against Nissan and GM for a decade and kicking their ass. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:19:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pissing off Elon just motivates him. He tried to buy a ride on a Russian rocket a little over two decades ago , they mocked him and he essentially has put them out of the space business. It’s like that episode of the Simpsons where the Casino attendant mocked Bart about starting his own Casino and he did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember when Joe invited all the EV car makers to the White House and didn't include Tesla. What a smack in the face. Pissing off Elon just motivates him. He tried to buy a ride on a Russian rocket a little over two decades ago , they mocked him and he essentially has put them out of the space business. It’s like that episode of the Simpsons where the Casino attendant mocked Bart about starting his own Casino and he did. He tried to buy “the rocket” itself, not a ride. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of batteries manufactured out of American made Lithium, right ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you want to buy an American-made car, buy a Tesla or a Honda or a Acura. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6_JYMsXIAAL5q_?format=jpg&name=large That's a lot of batteries manufactured out of American made Lithium, right ? God makes the lithium sir. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Going bankrupt any day now" -GD 2019 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. "Going bankrupt any day now" -GD 2019 I think there was a. Super long Tesla death watch thread between 2016-18 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Musk is going to go down as another Henry Ford. His gigpress process is changing the way automobiles are built, it's not just that they are EV's but that he can produce the chassis structure of the model 3 refresh as just two investment castings and the battery pack. MUCH cheaper than welding together 150-200 steel stampings that all other automakers use to produce cars. The bad part of this is trying to fix these cars after a crash is going to be very expensive as trying to straighten an aluminum casting after it gets bent is very difficult and very prone to failure. The proper way to do it would be to replace the casting, but this is also very expensive in labor costs to swap all the suspension parts etc. It’s funny to realize but he is WAY more than Henry ford. Imagine if ford started an aerospace division that invented vtol orbital class boosters, destroyed the market price for tonnage to orbit and put a man on fucking mars. Sounds funny but that’s what musk is becoming. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Normal people already want them in droves. I think the model Y is the highest selling car in the USA. So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:14:17 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Normal people already want them in droves. I think the model Y is the highest selling car in the USA. So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. Pretty sure "the oil patch" isn't representative of America as a whole. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. I’ll admit I was wrong, and I learned a lot from the experience. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:36:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. There are currently 200,000 light electric vehicles registered in Texas. ERCOT forecasts that EVs will represent 4% of all vehicles registered in Texas by 2029. They will draw 6TW of load that year. 900MW of peak load. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point does Tesla become a power company? |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At what point does Tesla become a power company? A year or two before that, I think. They stand to make a mint with the Megapack. It's absolutely necessary with wind and solar and Tesla's ramping up production of them. Tesla makes money on the front end selling them and they have software for them that buys electricity to charge them at the lowest rates of the day and releases the electricity at the highest rates of the day. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:42:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Normal people already want them in droves. I think the model Y is the highest selling car in the USA. So far I don’t know anyone personally that wants one around here. The only person I know that drives one lives in Dallas. Sure I see one on the road every now and then but they are still a small number. Trucks and bigger SUV’s are still king in the oil patch. I live in the Detroit area. You know, the motor city? Most people around here work for one of the big three or are dependent on them for their livelihood directly or indirectly. I am seeing TONS of teslas, more every day. I know quite a few personally who work for big 3 automakers who won’t buy their companies cars with their own money. Sure, they will drive one if given one as a company car with free insurance but they spend their own money on teslas. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:47:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everything on that slide is gay. Ok Boomer… Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. Boomerism is a state of mind. You have it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:52:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Related thought: Has anyone seen a Tesla commercial on TV? I haven't. Did they dominate the EV market without any advertising? Come to think of it, I've never seen a Tesla commercial either. Then again, I don't watch television. 
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:01:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. Elon repeatedly says that Tesla is a software company. He would have made FSD even if other companies made the cars. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 2:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s funny to realize but he is WAY more than Henry ford. Imagine if ford started an aerospace division that invented vtol orbital class boosters, destroyed the market price for tonnage to orbit and put a man on fucking mars. Sounds funny but that’s what musk is becoming. Something most people don't know is that Henry Ford built the first practical airliner, the Ford Tri-motor. So also has some aeronautical credit to his name. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He tried to buy “the rocket” itself, not a ride. He wanted to buy a ride for a payload to mars, a small greenhouse. He didn’t want to take possession of the rocket, he wanted the Russians to launch it in exchange for money. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:22:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. LOL Electric = Tesla Hybrid = Toyota MHO of course. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. Just like "Old Space" L-M, N-G, and Boeing would smoke check SpaceX… Not… So… Much… |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:23:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla has been around since 2003. They launched thier first car in 2008 and turned a Net profit in 2020. One major issue for Tesla is that a lot of their income comes from selling EV credits to its competitors. Once the competition is producing EVs in volume that revenue stream goes away. the walls are closing in on Tesla. Any day now....... |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:26:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. My buddy had to have the fastest. He got the P100D with ludacris mode. Then the plaid came out and he had to have that. He bought the plaid intending to sell the P100D. Too bad elon dropped the price on new ones and the bottom fell out on the used market. Resale value on the P100D is less than my buddy owes elon. So now he has both payments. He'd be losing money selling the first car. did he think he was going to make money on a car? LOFL |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:32:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everything on that slide is gay. Ok Boomer… Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. We are sorry you think technological progress is gay. Perhaps you could find some nice Amish community to join where you will feel sexually secure? |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:40:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw a clip of Ford’s ceo saying first gen Mach-E’s were built using their standard production plan; farming out each sub system to the lowest bidder. Then nothing talks to each other in the same language and they can’t modify the systems without the the third party’s authorization. Sounds like a total cluster fuck and you’d have to be a retard to buy one. I watched several videos of teslas vs Mach e being totally taken apart and analyzed…after watching the video I wouldn’t ever buy a a non Tesla ev…ford’s engineering is bloated and cumbersome in the mach e vs teslas design which is much more refined, simple, and elegant. I do have an aptera on preorder however because they seem to be following more closely to Tesla’s engineering mantra other they will go big on right to repair which Tesla is lacking in |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:41:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t give my Tesla away. It’s great to be an EV owner unless you want to get rid of it LOL. Really? I haven’t looked at used prices recently but I sold a model y that I had for a year for a 6k profit a little over a year ago. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 4:48:21 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. if you call driving a golf cart fun, okay. 
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Posted: 9/28/2023 5:13:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? I haven’t looked at used prices recently but I sold a model y that I had for a year for a 6k profit a little over a year ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can’t give my Tesla away. It’s great to be an EV owner unless you want to get rid of it LOL. Really? I haven’t looked at used prices recently but I sold a model y that I had for a year for a 6k profit a little over a year ago. It’s a lot different market than a year ago. Traded my S for a new Model 3 Performance in 2021. Kept it a year and got rid of it for what I paid. The msrp had increased in 2022 so it was cheaper and available for buyers, orders were backed up. Now a new one is less than it was in 2021. Screenshot from 2021  Attached File2023.  Attached FileSame specs on both. Drop the white interior it’s $1,000 less and qualifies for the $7500 tax credit. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 5:46:31 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point does Tesla become a power company? |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 6:07:13 AM EDT
[#36]
Ford appears to have flopped hard with the mach e and the lightning so far.
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Posted: 9/29/2023 7:54:52 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s funny to realize but he is WAY more than Henry ford. Imagine if ford started an aerospace division that invented vtol orbital class boosters, destroyed the market price for tonnage to orbit and put a man on fucking mars. Sounds funny but that’s what musk is becoming. I try not to idolize him. However, Elon has done really cool stuff and isn't your typical successful narcissist. YET. I try to not be a fan, but the more I find out about him the harder it is to dislike the guy. He is FAR from perfect, but that just makes him a real person. Everyone thought Steve Jobs was great and I think Elon runs circles around him in everything. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:05:01 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite at odds with the assertion that traditional automakers would come from behind and beat Tesla with experience. The Whitehouse is doing everything it can to slow Tesla. I'm glad it's not working. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:10:38 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. You do realize the Z06 is designed to go around corners, right? Take both to Road Atlanta and tell me which one is more fun. But of course driving well in anything but a straight line takes more commitment and skill than simply pushing down on the accelerator pedal. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:12:42 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Small modular nuclear is logical next step. Something that has a future on Earth, in space and on the moon and Mars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At what point does Tesla become a power company? Tiny reactors already exist. I know I've read about them here and in other articles. One small sealed reactor (the size of a walk-in cooler) can produce enough power for a small city 50k homes. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:31:58 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched several videos of teslas vs Mach e being totally taken apart and analyzed after watching the video I wouldn't ever buy a a non Tesla ev ford's engineering is bloated and cumbersome in the mach e vs teslas design which is much more refined, simple, and elegant. I do have an aptera on preorder however because they seem to be following more closely to Tesla's engineering mantra other they will go big on right to repair which Tesla is lacking in |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:41:32 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More fun? Bullshit unless launching from stop signs is the only spirited driving you do. Maybe one day Tesla will make something that actually looks cool as well. So far they have an ugly ass truck nobody can have yet and boring looking SUV’s and sedans. Most of the other EV manufacturers are even worse in that department. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. More fun? Bullshit unless launching from stop signs is the only spirited driving you do. Maybe one day Tesla will make something that actually looks cool as well. So far they have an ugly ass truck nobody can have yet and boring looking SUV’s and sedans. Most of the other EV manufacturers are even worse in that department.  Model S Plaid at Nürburgring Again |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:46:44 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw a clip of Ford’s ceo saying first gen Mach-E’s were built using their standard production plan; farming out each sub system to the lowest bidder. Then nothing talks to each other in the same language and they can’t modify the systems without the the third party’s authorization. Sounds like a total cluster fuck and you’d have to be a retard to buy one. Tesla absolutely has an advantage with purpose-built, highly integrated components:  vs. a rat's nest of plumbing to integrate a bunch of stuff out of the parts bin:  What Tesla sucks at is building the rest of the car. Horrible panel gaps and other build quality problems that the Big 3 had solved by the 1930's. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 8:49:41 AM EDT
[#44]
Im all in Tesla. I even reduced my TSP contribution back down to 5% to free up cash to buy more T stock.
Not only will Tesla rule the auto industry by 2030 Elon deserves my support for what he has done for free speech. Hell he just asked on X if Kamala Harris can even find the southern border on a map! Huge balls!!! |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 9:03:50 AM EDT
[#45]
What Tesla did right (or at least learned from their mistakes) was to control sourcing and build it from the ground up.
It has taken them a few years to streamline the body manufacturing process. It used to be ober 35 parts to make the body. I think it is down to 10 (?). Big 3 and others are still choked by existing designs they are trying to switch over and finding they are not working out. Also, horrible leadership at all mfg plants and shitty sales/marketing. In truth, even hybrid requires a different approach... something you wont see come from the three blind mice. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 9:08:07 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let the government put their finger on the scale as they get more pissed off with Musk. Tesla got its break because of gov't thumb scaling. A straight up free market wouldn't have picked it up & carried it for this long. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 9:12:31 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford appears to have flopped hard with the mach e and the lightning so far. Ford is stupid, they should have done a cheaper small car or SUV first. A MachE is a play car not a daily driver. The Lighting is failing for 2 reasons range and too expensive for a base truck. If Ford wants to sell Lightnings start with a base F150 XL and a bigger battery. That would cover most of the tradesmen. But towing a boat, RV's or heavy loads, skip the Lightning and get a IC version. Maybe in a few years range will increase but not right now. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 9:15:50 AM EDT
[#48]
The anti Tesla threads back in the day were pretty hilarious. So many people were completely convinced that nobody would ever buy an electric car, Elon would never make anything at scale, and could never compete against legacy automakers. As soon as an electric car could be profitable they would sweep in and crush that little tech nerd.
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Posted: 9/29/2023 9:19:42 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. In a straight line or on the track? The track shows how the whole package works, if it works. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 11:23:00 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a straight line or on the track? The track shows how the whole package works, if it works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gen X thank you very much. All those ev’s are gay. You can put 5000 horsepower in one and rule the street races and it will still be gay. My Tesla is more fun to drive than my Z06 with a manual. Call me gay. Also fun wasting the Porsches and M3s. Cheaper to own as well. heh. In a straight line or on the track? The track shows how the whole package works, if it works. Scroll 7 posts up and watch a MS destroy a track. |
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