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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:07:26 PM EDT
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People have broken out of prisons in the past, does that mean we should just let them all go? 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:08:30 PM EDT
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https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/04/04/Production/Daily/A-Section/Images/AFP_KW9FV.jpg&w=480 https://d3el53au0d7w62.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/06/Mexico-Border-Fence-Climbers-1.jpg https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/04/illegals-climb-border-wall-getty-640x480.jpg https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ht_wall3_dc_170303_4x3_992.jpg Mexican congressman Braulio Guerra sits atop the U.S.-Mexico border wall |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Walls/Fences work even low tech like these built years ago San Diego County.
An unqualified success in every aspect. Well, except it forced illegals to cross in the desert of the Imperial Valley where they died  Underreported: How Building a Border Wall Changed San Diego | The Daily Signal |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:08:49 PM EDT
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A couple of stalks of rebar inside that concrete would make that a whole lot more difficult. No barrier is impenetrable. And modern systems do not need 24/7 monitoring by a team of coffee drinkers. They can be configured to notify an operator when the movement and sound sensors detect large mammals such as humans and the camera software can utilize various algorithms to detect human beings in their FOV. This tech is mostly open source. OpenCV, for instance. Using the prison fence model, you don't need an expensive wall. Fences, sensors and cameras will do it all. And fences are much cheaper to repair. But you will need quick response times. Border agents in helicopters and 4x4s must be available to respond quickly. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:10:59 PM EDT
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left?
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:12:44 PM EDT
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I'm sure your garden variety political refugee could accomplish that is 30 minutes with a hacksaw blade and some duct tape. An armed drone. NOBODY is saying this wall in guaranteed impenetrable. How'd that work out for the Berlin Wall? Brave people still crossed over. Less than hundreds a year. Right now we are talking over 4,000 murderers a year getting in, much less the other 250,000. It's a start. Don't forget, four years of no wall is another 1 million voters. How long are we going to let this happen? Once things settle down, then the paid dregs of Central America - much less the Bangladeshis getting to Mexico for $16,000 and walking in - will trickle to a manageable level. Nobody said the Border Patrol was going to cut back because this wall is so super great. Not even. Right now there is NO effective wall in some areas. You put up what will make some reconsider, then as attacks on the wall increase in what they think are it's vulnerable points, you move your focus to those spots. Eventually we will restrict ingress at airports where we have the real problems. Think about how we are going to do that. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:13:51 PM EDT
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Every fence also needs a sturdy gate. Something like this sends a message...
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:17:06 PM EDT
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Add sniper towers every mile set back about 500 meters from the wall. Random rotation on which ones are manned (if for some reason we can’t man them all)... drone support to keep watch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Barrier = force mulitplier. A barrier with zero force still yields zero force. A wall with a little bit of force yields a shitload of force. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:18:38 PM EDT
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Has anyone ever sawed trough a claymore?
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:19:28 PM EDT
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I don't understand why we just don't use drones with a rapid response force every x amount of distance to snatch up border jumpers.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:23:16 PM EDT
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Basically this is the same cabal that rigged the fuel tank on a GM pickup to explode in a crash test because it wouldn't explode after several attempts for a hard hitting expose
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:23:55 PM EDT
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left? 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:26:35 PM EDT
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:29:15 PM EDT
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That’s not sawn that’s torch cut.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:29:21 PM EDT
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I've always like this concept. Keep the wall as the last line of defense. If someone has a latter they would first have to cross the fence with it entering the enforcement zone.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:30:31 PM EDT
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As I understand it. With the concrete wall, you cannot see what is going on on the other side. So a steel wall, with openings would be a better choice. Some Dems were saying if we are going to build a wall, build the right one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:35:18 PM EDT
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Fake news. No barrier is completely impenetrable but that's not what the story is meant to convey.
The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations. However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:38:18 PM EDT
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As I understand it. With the concrete wall, you cannot see what is going on on the other side. So a steel wall, with openings would be a better choice. Some Dems were saying if we are going to build a wall, build the right one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:40:31 PM EDT
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This with guns to patrol border.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:43:26 PM EDT
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Steel + electricity.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:44:14 PM EDT
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I hope they ask Trump about this. Just respond that bad hombres (drug dealers, criminal, rapists...) have lots of money for bombs, blowtorches, and tools. It's very profitable for them to enter illegally.
And that's why we need better laws to catch/deter them. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:44:26 PM EDT
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Anything that can be built can be demo’d... drop the scythe boys! |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:45:29 PM EDT
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Walls/Fences work even low tech like these built years ago San Diego County. An unqualified success in every aspect. Well, except it forced illegals to cross in the desert of the Imperial Valley where they died  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2YThe same fence out in the boonies without the infrastructure and technology to support it would be almost useless. For the boonies, you might want a wall that's 40 feet above ground and 30 feet underground to thwart the casual tunneler. Dig a trench 5 feet wide and 30 feet deep and fill it with concrete. Then build your wall on top of it. Digging under that wall will be a PITA and motion and sound sensors can provide ample warning that someone is digging. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:52:56 PM EDT
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I have a dumb question, how did this whole steel thing start? Is it just bullshit from the left? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:58:30 PM EDT
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So what ? Anything built can be destroyed. The question is time and expense.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 2:24:25 PM EDT
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looks like it was cut with a torch, not a saw.
One minute the migrants are dieing of thirst in the desert, next thing you know Juan comes out from behind a cactus with a harbor freight tool chest. Why don’t they say something realistic like, with ten pounds of Thermite... If the concrete core can snap out once the case is cut, mix in fiberglass. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 2:26:01 PM EDT
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They'll never destroy Trump's wall.
You know why.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:19:31 PM EDT
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This is why democrats argued for a steel barrier instead of concrete.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:21:15 PM EDT
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This is why democrats argued for a steel barrier instead of concrete. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:22:17 PM EDT
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saw? looks like torch work
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:23:05 PM EDT
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NBC said that did they? I wonder what "common tools" they were referring to because that pic looks like it took a fucking plasma cutting torch |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:35:14 PM EDT
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Yes, but not by 90% of the people trying to get in.
It would have to be a dynamic defense, with sensors, surveillance, and rapid response teams. And everify to cut down the attractiveness of coming in the first place. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:43:21 PM EDT
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Supposedly Border Patrol wanted something you could see through. Between cameras,UAVs,Satellites,dogs,agents,US military, we can do this if we have the will. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:44:08 PM EDT
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looks like it was cut with a torch, not a saw. One minute the migrants are dieing of thirst in the desert, next thing you know Juan comes out from behind a cactus with a harbor freight tool chest. See, the coyotes are being paid. Its a job. A for profit endeavor. And, the more difficult it is to get in, the more they can charge. Just like drugs. Make them hard to get, and the price goes up. As the price goes up, so does the incentive to smuggle in drugs. Round numbers, only about 650 miles of the 2,000 mile border currently has any form of fencing/barrier. Even then, much of it is vehicle barriers, not barriers that prevent pedestrians. People can just walk over/past them. For the Texas border with Mexico, there is some fencing/barriers in the El Paso area, and some down in the valley near the gulf. In between, there is approx. 1,000 miles without any fencing/barriers. Give or take. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:49:12 PM EDT
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TL;DR
Step 1. Build the wall. Step 2. Let the noise subside. Step 3. Enhance the wall. Problem solved. TC |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:52:38 PM EDT
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What? I thought that they had a team of SOF types assigned to try and defeat the various Wall prototypes submitted for testing? Supposedly they determined which Walls that they could not defeat. Did they not find this out way back then?????  |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:57:40 PM EDT
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What kind of a pansy boy do you have to be to be surprised by this?
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:00:47 PM EDT
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FAKE NEWS. That was a cutting torch they used, besides WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? So we go back to reinforced concrete. No problem, thanks for pointing that out. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:04:55 PM EDT
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Very easy to put sensors along the wall to detect physical attacks on the infrastructure. Just launch a hellfire missile at any area that gets flagged on the sensors. This isn't hard. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Just launch a hellfire missile at any area that gets flagged on the sensors. This isn't hard. The democrats and narcos won't care how many brown babies they have to sacrifice in order to get the open borders they want. Narcos want to peddle dope...democrats want to peddle votes Roe v Wade answers the questions how many babies are the left willing to sacrifice. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:22:56 PM EDT
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I know I may not be politically correct but a DMZ is what is needed. Chain link with warning followed by the big wall and Dillion Mini's on the other side.
That would take care of a main portion and then only the Cartel has to adapt. Augment with armed drones with both lethal and non lethal options. Imagine a Predator drone with cluster sting ball munitions. Why not just add in some sting ball mines between the fences as well. Now I know a metal trash can over your head could get past that but tier two is lethal. Cut funding to the UN and other BS aid and make it happen. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:28:27 PM EDT
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I know I may not be politically correct but a DMZ is what is needed. Chain link with warning followed by the big wall and Dillion Mini's on the other side. That would take care of a main portion and then only the Cartel has to adapt. Augment with armed drones with both lethal and non lethal options. Imagine a Predator drone with cluster sting ball munitions. Why not just add in some sting ball mines between the fences as well. Now I know a metal trash can over your head could get past that but tier two is lethal. Cut funding to the UN and other BS aid and make it happen. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:37:50 PM EDT
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An all steel wall energized with low voltage current and equipped with resistance sensors makes sense to me. The sensors would detect if someone touches it or tries to cut through and pinpoint the exact location, much the same way trains are located on the tracks.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:48:19 PM EDT
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Easy fix...make it electrified...used solar panels to charge transformers to bump up the juice and make the evirowackos happy. You touch it you die.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:53:23 PM EDT
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Barrier = force mulitplier. A barrier with zero force still yields zero force. A wall with a little bit of force yields a shitload of force. And it's a prototype. Not the prototype. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:12:07 PM EDT
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That area in San Diego is a high density/high population area with tons of infrastructure to support that inexpensive fence. The same fence out in the boonies without the infrastructure and technology to support it would be almost useless. For the boonies, you might want a wall that's 40 feet above ground and 30 feet underground to thwart the casual tunneler. Dig a trench 5 feet wide and 30 feet deep and fill it with concrete. Then build your wall on top of it. Digging under that wall will be a PITA and motion and sound sensors can provide ample warning that someone is digging. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Walls/Fences work even low tech like these built years ago San Diego County. An unqualified success in every aspect. Well, except it forced illegals to cross in the desert of the Imperial Valley where they died https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2YThe same fence out in the boonies without the infrastructure and technology to support it would be almost useless. For the boonies, you might want a wall that's 40 feet above ground and 30 feet underground to thwart the casual tunneler. Dig a trench 5 feet wide and 30 feet deep and fill it with concrete. Then build your wall on top of it. Digging under that wall will be a PITA and motion and sound sensors can provide ample warning that someone is digging. It's forced the illegal smuggling into the desert and out of the previously used mountain areas. There is zero infrastructure in the boonies to support a substantial tunnel and chances are high that sensors would catch that kind of activity. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:26:25 PM EDT
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Yep the Narcos and the American left don't want a wall or any kind of barrier for them to ply their trades.
One trades in dope and human misery the other in votes and human misery. You can be guaranteed that if there is a cost to defeated any barrier in terms of human suffering both the Narcos and Democrats will make sure that the most innocent are sacrificed and the media will be there to capture the moment for all to see...then they will blame president Trump & his supporters. It's the commie way...they have done it that way all around the world in order to get what they want. They want to destroy the America of our founders...and rid America of any vestigial Americana and Americans |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:26:44 PM EDT
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The wall is essential but we need to remove the incentives for coming here. Get rid of any assistance to illegals: no free medical, no free schooling, no free food, nothing. If we catch you here illegally there should be harsh sentencing vs the bs “here’s a notice to show up for court. Now be on your way good sir/senorita.” |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:37:57 PM EDT
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if the idea of a wall is so distasteful why cant we simply install a mine field. Ta-Da! no wall, no barrier, curtain, fence, etc to hurt anyones feelz. Nothing but wide open space for a couple hundred yards on each side of the border. Cross at your own risk. I seriously have zero problem with this and think its a solid cost effective deterrant.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:48:54 PM EDT
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I bet if you shot some of those who cut it would not happen much.
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