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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL You know all of their LSTs in the Black Sea save for maybe one Ivan Gren class are of the same vintage, right? Bragging that its not a big deal because of its age is a bit of a self-own. You know why it was in drydock? Because they were still using it. Same for all the other LSTs that Ukraine has hit that were subsequently put into drydock. Yes its old. No, they can't really afford to lose them. They're using them. They don't have that many Ivan Grens to replace them with. Four total in the entire Russian navy? And none that Turkey will allow into the Black Sea. And how old was that improved Kilo, btw? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, they abandon their country and then may get all pissy if said country is abandoned. Is that about what this is?... ...oh, and Breitbart is literally Russian propaganda. Rating this one troll They ain’t gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he’s alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren’t violent like some other groups can be. When’s the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting or rioting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are hilarious The Minsk (your mega-bucks of useful military hardware) was commissioned 30 May 1983. It sustained damage and some Ukebro's opinion on twitter is not the same as reality.
When was that sub commissioned? Also note what your own link said. The ship is beyond economical repair.. It’s done. What do the satellite images show of the kilo? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the person who posted the first article that relies on it should so we don't have to just take his word for it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. When we are fighting in ukrainistan in 20 years which side will the bros be on? @strike504 Just like how we are fighting Poland, the Baltics, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, and Slovenia now? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They ain’t gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he’s alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren’t violent like some other groups can be. When’s the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol, they abandon their country and then may get all pissy if said country is abandoned. Is that about what this is?... ...oh, and Breitbart is literally Russian propaganda. Rating this one troll They ain’t gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he’s alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren’t violent like some other groups can be. When’s the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? Ukrainians aren’t violent? You even Cossack bro? East Galicia 1943-1944? Never been this large amount of refugees from Ukraine in modern history so who knows, but certainly they have the cultural capacity for violence. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's apretty cool trick, thatnks! So here's the entire article, so that nobody can claim I'm keeping anything out Here is the section that seems to be in contention and I have bolded what I think is the salient point: "Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally "behaved well" and are "very grateful" to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a "good story" for Europe if it were to "drive these people into a corner". Could be a veiled threat, could be pointing out that refugees might misbehave/riot if they don't get their way--kinda sounds like a mob movie, LOL, "nice country you have here, be apity if a million refugees decided to riot". There are many instances of that in the West, specifically Europe, where refugees have done so when their host countries did not keep them happy. Any other reasonable interpretations of Zelensky's comments? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:14:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are these “refugees” not fighting for their country? They abandoned their own country .. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is your boy faded? I’m here, sleeping off a hangover after watching a couple trillion rubles burn up this morning It’s easy to day drink when you are a dollar general manager |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a video of his full quote? Skeptical of the chopped up quote. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's apretty cool trick, thatnks! So here's the entire article, so that nobody can claim I'm keeping anything out Here is the section that seems to be in contention and I have bolded what I think is the salient point: "Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally "behaved well" and are "very grateful" to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a "good story" for Europe if it were to "drive these people into a corner". Could be a veiled threat, could be pointing out that refugees might misbehave/riot if they don't get their way--kinda sounds like a mob movie, LOL, "nice country you have here, be apity if a million refugees decided to riot". There are many instances of that in the West, specifically Europe, where refugees have done so when their host countries did not keep them happy. Any other reasonable interpretations of Zelensky's comments? I haven’t found one but I think we can all agree that The Economist isn’t a Russian propaganda organ so what would their incentive to be deceptive to show Zelensky in a negative light? Assuming that the Economist is sincere in their writing, what reasonable explanation would you have for his comments? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians aren’t violent? You even Cossack bro? East Galicia 1943-1944? Never been this large amount of refugees from Ukraine in modern history so who knows, but certainly they have the cultural capacity for violence. You’re referencing one event during a time of war. And Cossacks, warring clan that fought during times of war to protect their sovereignty. I’m talking about diaspora getting sporty in other countries cause of shit happening geopolitically. It’s never happened. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Sir. The better question is did you... |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What he actually said was implying that if Ukraine falls that there would be millions of stateless refugees with no future who might turn to crime. But you actually need to read the original interview to understand that. But we don't want that sketti is here to earn his roubles. Send them back with hammers and sickles to help rebuild. Not another dime... |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re referencing one event during a time of war. And Cossacks, warring clan that fought fiercely during times of war. I’m talking about diaspora getting sporty in other countries. It’s never happened. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukrainians aren’t violent? You even Cossack bro? East Galicia 1943-1944? Never been this large amount of refugees from Ukraine in modern history so who knows, but certainly they have the cultural capacity for violence. You’re referencing one event during a time of war. And Cossacks, warring clan that fought fiercely during times of war. I’m talking about diaspora getting sporty in other countries. It’s never happened. I’m referencing genocide against the Poles in a land grab and a warrior culture going back hundreds of years to make the point that yes, they can be violent. I can’t think of any large emigration from Ukraine with such large collections of displaced persons from Ukraine in modern history so it’s really an unknown. People tend to behave differently when they are in small groups and family units of expats that dribble in rather than rapid movements of large groups of expats so it’s really an unknown rather than either certain or impossible. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:29:36 PM EDT
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Look at all the new names in this thread learning from each other and having their opinions changed
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:30:37 PM EDT
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Well, if you know Slavic people in Orthodox Christian countries well than this shouldn't surprise you at all.
The Polish are different, because although Slavic they are Catholic due to being part of the Holy Roman Empire and therefore their culture is much more akin to Central European culture than those Orthodox nations that have various points have been a part of the Russian Empire. There is a reason though that Ukraine in particular even prior to 2014 was unable to join NATO or the EU and really had nothing to do with fear of pissing off Russia. They as a country are pretty incompatible for the Western way of doing things compared to say the Baltic States that are not Slavic and more Nordic. Nordic Countries like Finland and Sweden can join NATO and it fits like a glove, but Ukraine has deep cultural issues that will make a true partnership with them that would benefit us take a long time to develop. Eisenhower knew that NATO just didn't have enough forces to protect every original member. Eisenhower favored having a few "neutral nations" like Austria where either the Soviets would avoid them or those neutral nations would get invaded then have to fight them on their own giving NATO some time to better position itself without the commitment of having to jump in and save them. I think when we look at the current state of NATO it is pretty clear that its only saving grace is the incompetence of the Russian military, but that incompetence is not something you can bank on forever particular as Russia continues to receive an education from the school of hard knocks, which has a way of refining militaries over time. If the Russians ever did get their @#$% together and come out of their collective alcoholic stupor they've got the numbers to steam roll through much of Europe as we feared would happen during the Cold War when NATO was a lot stronger than it currently is in terms of men and hardware. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at all the new names in this thread learning from each other and having their opinions changed It’s a winning formula! |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They ain't gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he's alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren't violent like some other groups can be. When's the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting or rioting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol, they abandon their country and then may get all pissy if said country is abandoned. Is that about what this is?... ...oh, and Breitbart is literally Russian propaganda. Rating this one troll They ain't gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he's alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren't violent like some other groups can be. When's the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting or rioting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? There would have to be a first time in order for there to be a last time. Also thought that the folks in question that fled went to European countries, not the USofA. I'm not saying that those that fled ukraine to European countries will rise up, but Zelensky is seemingly implying and/or threatening as such... ...and saying that ukranians aren't violent like some other groups can be (blanket statement) contradicts the claims & videos of ukranians fighting Russians. They are doing plenty of shooting n killing in their efforts to defend with the use of outside funding & supplies |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote History**sevastopol |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:35:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't rate threads Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No Sir. The better question is did you... My man... |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: **sevastopol @fadedsun Meme would need a LOT more fire |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sketti is right on time with a fuck Ukraine thread right after a huge hit on Russia's black sea fleet yesterday! Hahaha someone even called it last night too! You are so predictable Sketti...lol  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:38:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m referencing genocide against the Poles in a land grab and a warrior culture going back hundreds of years to make the point that yes, they can be violent. I can’t think of any large emigration from Ukraine with such large collections of displaced persons from Ukraine in modern history so it’s really an unknown. People tend to behave differently when they are in small groups and family units of expats that dribble in rather than rapid movements of large groups of expats so it’s really an unknown rather than either certain or impossible. You talking about the ethnic cleansing committed by the UPA during WW2 against Poles in Polesia and Lublin regions. I’m from Polesia. My grandparents told me that the NKVD infiltrated the UPA to undermine them and therefore were carrying out a lot of the killings under the guise as UPA. That being said, we can’t say that Ukrainians have a tendency for this kind of behavior as a result of a small ultra nationalist faction’s activities during WW2. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:39:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a video of his full quote? Skeptical of the chopped up quote. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's apretty cool trick, thatnks! So here's the entire article, so that nobody can claim I'm keeping anything out Here is the section that seems to be in contention and I have bolded what I think is the salient point: "Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally "behaved well" and are "very grateful" to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a "good story" for Europe if it were to "drive these people into a corner". Could be a veiled threat, could be pointing out that refugees might misbehave/riot if they don't get their way--kinda sounds like a mob movie, LOL, "nice country you have here, be apity if a million refugees decided to riot". There are many instances of that in the West, specifically Europe, where refugees have done so when their host countries did not keep them happy. Any other reasonable interpretations of Zelensky's comments? We had a reserve Captain in our unit back in 2007-2008 timeframe who used to do interviews with Left-leaning news like “The Nation” This was legal for him to do so, because he was doing so as a civilian. The Nation would cite his rank and service and include a picture of him in uniform. Still legal. His quotes, taken by themselves, were totally uncontroversial. But when read in the context of the editorial comments around the quotes, they came across as harsh criticism of the war and the President. The Captain insisted he was innocent, but we told him of the nature of journalists. Nevertheless… The Regimental Commander wanted him to hang, but it was legal. So I counseled the Captain and warned him of consequences if he continued. He continued. I fired him and replaced him with a Gunny. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I see snippets of quotes from an interview, interspersed with editorial comments, I don't take the conclusion made by the author of the added comments seriously. Especially when it's a different language. At the very least, critical thinking demands that it be taken with a huge grain of salt. Unfortunately, confirmation bias tricks certain people into accepting the claim, because they want it to be true. This is GD, after all. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There would have to be a first time in order for there to be a last time. Also thought that the folks in question that fled went to European countries, not the USofA. I'm not saying that those that fled ukraine to European countries will rise up, but Zelensky is seemingly implying and/or threatening as such... ...and saying that ukranians aren't violent like some other groups can be (blanket statement) contradicts the claims & videos of ukranians fighting Russians. They are doing plenty of shooting n killing in their efforts to defend with the use of outside funding & supplies He’s a dumbass. I haven’t trusted him since day one when this mess started. My heart goes out to the regular people who just want to live in peace, prosper, and take care of their families. They don’t deserve any of this shit. My reference to violence was specific to civil unrest. Not defending themselves against Russia. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was a huge echo chamber thread in which members are protected and free to heap praise upon Volodymyrr without fear of opposition. If such a thread existed maybe others would be free to discuss the reality of this conflict and its involvement of the west. If only. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't found one but I think we can all agree that The Economist isn't a Russian propaganda organ so what would their incentive to be deceptive to show Zelensky in a negative light? Assuming that the Economist is sincere in their writing, what reasonable explanation would you have for his comments? I assume he actually said that. Even so, while a poor choice of words, it doesn't amount to a whole lot. Zelensky is merely stating the obvious: Ukrainian refugees will be upset if funding is pulled and the Russians pillage their home. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:43:23 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are these “refugees” not fighting for their country? Most are elderly, women and children seeking shelter and employment to support the folks at Home. When I was in Saudi Arabia it was interesting that the Lebanese Christians did similar support and sent the money back home. The family member left behind had to stay or the family lost claim to their ancestral land. As soon as one left the muslims would seize it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:43:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sketti is right on time with a fuck Ukraine thread right after a huge hit on Russia's black sea fleet yesterday! Hahaha someone even called it last night too! You are so predictable Sketti...lol /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/F84A650C-2406-46C9-B3D1-D3F7D7319381-693.gif Just a dent… 
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not the first time Zelenskyy threatened the west over the gravy train so that tends to lean towards it being true Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I see snippets of quotes from an interview, interspersed with editorial comments, I don't take the conclusion made by the author of the added comments seriously. Especially when it's a different language. At the very least, critical thinking demands that it be taken with a huge grain of salt. Unfortunately, confirmation bias tricks certain people into accepting the claim, because they want it to be true. This is GD, after all. You mean, it’s not the first time you felt this way. It’s about bias, not objective facts. For example… Look above at how YOU describe Sevastopol burning. Now imagine that such an interpretation were that of a “journalist.” You would eat that up. Heck, you’d pay to read it! |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They abandoned their own country .. Mostly women and kids. What are they supposed to do? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:45:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryKalibr launching Kilo submarine and a transport ship permanently removed from the party? 
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things that make you go Why are you the way that you are? There is one thing you Ukebros and jellyfish have in common. Guess what it is. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:46:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Those "refugees" abandoned their country. Maybe go back and fight?
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:47:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume he actually said that. Even so, while a poor choice of words, it doesn't amount to a whole lot. Zelensky is merely stating the obvious: Ukrainian refugees will be upset if funding is pulled and the Russians pillage their home. Ya they might be upset, but you’re not gonna see levels of violence and protest like we recently saw in Israel from Eritreans. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:47:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because unlike you, he is a sentient being. There is one thing you Ukebros and jellyfish have in common. Guess what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Things that make you go Why are you the way that you are? There is one thing you Ukebros and jellyfish have in common. Guess what it is. 
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:48:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see the Zelenskyy stroking going on in there over damaging 40 year old landing ship. @daoliver924 Post a screenshot of people praising zlenskyy over a strike carried out by the military. Because I’ve been following page by page since day 1 and haven’t seen what you’re talking about |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You reacted to a post about Russian military shit getting blown up by claiming you were personally attacked. I can only surmise you identify as an Improved Kilo class submarine. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is not about Russian military shit being blown up but that's all you've got so ... Their M.O. is always to change the subject Zelenskyy is morphing into a terrorist |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume he actually said that. Even so, while a poor choice of words, it doesn't amount to a whole lot. Zelensky is merely stating the obvious: Ukrainian refugees will be upset if funding is pulled and the Russians pillage their home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven't found one but I think we can all agree that The Economist isn't a Russian propaganda organ so what would their incentive to be deceptive to show Zelensky in a negative light? Assuming that the Economist is sincere in their writing, what reasonable explanation would you have for his comments? I assume he actually said that. Even so, while a poor choice of words, it doesn't amount to a whole lot. Zelensky is merely stating the obvious: Ukrainian refugees will be upset if funding is pulled and the Russians pillage their home. Assuming that the quote is a legitimate summation of President Zelensky’s comments, what do you think he meant by saying that it would “not be a good story for Europe? “ Civil unrest? Strongly worded letters to parliament? Seems to me a bit of odd phrasing for a large group of people just being upset. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:51:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDestroying a landing ship and severely damaging a kilo class sub is a huge hit. Don’t go you agree? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:51:53 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians aren’t violent? You even Cossack bro? East Galicia 1943-1944? Never been this large amount of refugees from Ukraine in modern history so who knows, but certainly they have the cultural capacity for violence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol, they abandon their country and then may get all pissy if said country is abandoned. Is that about what this is?... ...oh, and Breitbart is literally Russian propaganda. Rating this one troll They ain’t gonna get pissy over shit. If he actually said this, he’s alone in that thinking. Ukrainians aren’t violent like some other groups can be. When’s the last time you heard or saw Ukrainian immigrants fighting here in the US(or anywhere for that matter)? Ukrainians aren’t violent? You even Cossack bro? East Galicia 1943-1944? Never been this large amount of refugees from Ukraine in modern history so who knows, but certainly they have the cultural capacity for violence. Ukrainians are not violent.......Eh,we'll just ignore Wolyn! |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are no Ukrainians fighting right now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They wouldn't have been stateless if they had stayed and defended their state. There are no Ukrainians fighting right now? |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:53:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see the Zelenskyy stroking going on in there over damaging 40 year old landing ship. A kilo class submarine is a 40 year old ship? @daoliver924  |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was that sub commissioned? Also note what your own link said. The ship is beyond economical repair.. It's done. What do the satellite images show of the kilo? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are hilarious The Minsk (your mega-bucks of useful military hardware) was commissioned 30 May 1983. It sustained damage and some Ukebro's opinion on twitter is not the same as reality.
When was that sub commissioned? Also note what your own link said. The ship is beyond economical repair.. It's done. What do the satellite images show of the kilo? BBC says light damage |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A kilo class submarine is a 40 year old ship? @daoliver924 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F562LbaX0AMqEf4?format=jpg&name=900x900 Psss bro. 1980 was 43 years ago. 
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:56:57 PM EDT
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Meh
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:57:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here, sleeping off a hangover after watching a couple trillion rubles burn up this morning It's easy to day drink when you are a dollar general manager Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where is your boy faded? I'm here, sleeping off a hangover after watching a couple trillion rubles burn up this morning It's easy to day drink when you are a dollar general manager |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 7:57:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mostly women and kids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They abandoned their own country .. Mostly women and kids. Cite? |
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