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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cult be triggered. Guy who claims something is debatable immediately resorts to insults when presented with debate. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy who claims something is debatable immediately resorts to insults when presented with debate. Debate with a condescending cultist? No thanks. If someone useful wants to post then yes but that’s not you. Arguably one of the worst posters on the entire forum |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There aren't any detailed pics of the Moskva either. See its all a grand conspiracy man After all, it's not like UKR hasn't created fake images to claim damaging ships before https://checkyourfact.com/2023/06/01/fact-check-image-damaged-russian-warship/ Russian intelligence collection ship Ivan Khurs after attack.#UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineWar #Ukraina #UkraineWillWin #UkrainianArmy #Ukrainians #RussiaisATerroistState #PutinWarCriminal #RussiaIsANaziState #Russian #Zelenskyy pic.twitter.com/r7nx8V9kyH Idlib Frontline (@fatihjalal20) May 26, 2023 The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense released a video claiming to show one of the sea drones hitting the ship, the outlet reported. The image claims to show the Ivan Khurs damaged after the attack However, the image is over two decades old. Through a reverse image search, Check Your Fact found that the image is from the USS Cole, not a Russian warship. The image was taken after the USS Cole was hit by a suicide bomb attack in 2000 and published in NBC News. Images and videos of the Ivan Khurs emerged in the aftermath of the attack, showing the ship sailing into Sevastopol under its own power with no visible damage, according to open-source intelligence (OSINT) analyst Benjamin Pittet. this is going to hurt your feelz.... "Russian authorities confirm the Minsk landing ship and and Rostov-on-Don submarine were "completely destroyed" https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1701890251306762666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Only Ukr claims this. Not a single legitimate news source has claimed that. Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? It would, but not to the level you boys think. The entire Northern, Pacific and Baltic fleets (except the Minsk which was transferred to the BSF) are intact. If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just posted a link to a video of the landing craft smoldering, but the link won't go hot. It's completely cooked. It looks like it burned to the waterline (if it had been in water) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? I just posted a link to a video of the landing craft smoldering, but the link won't go hot. It's completely cooked. It looks like it burned to the waterline (if it had been in water) The super structure is toast but the hull is entirely intact. This a a screen shot from your link (which happens to be another UKR source)  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:33:30 PM EDT
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I pretty sure that ship is an LST
For my Naval bretheran: a craft is carried by a ship. Being a ship it implies signaficant capability and cost. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Debate with a condescending cultist? No thanks. If someone useful wants to post then yes but that’s not you. Arguably one of the worst posters on the entire forum I didn't attack you, imply anything about your intelligence, or make any comments directed at you about your person, whatsoever. But here's a personal observation. You easily have the thinnest skin of anyone on this website. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the long term accuracy percentage of A Jones v the peope that the pro-Ukrainian crowd gets their news from? Oof. Pk 1.0 |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't attack you, imply anything about your intelligence, or make any comments directed at you about your person, whatsoever. But here's a personal observation. You easily have the thinnest skin of anyone on this website. Coming from you that’s a compliment. CoC prevents me from going further so I will leave it at that. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kilo yes, Landing craft debatable Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? Kilo yes, Landing craft debatable You're not allowed to interrupt USG talking points, already in progress. Replay the down. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy who claims something is debatable immediately resorts to insults when presented with debate. Says the same guy who's immediately revisited 20 years of posting. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:38:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Debate with a condescending cultist? No thanks. If someone useful wants to post then yes but that’s not you. Arguably one of the worst posters on the entire forum Not the worst. That's a fight. Inconsistent? Yep. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not allowed to interrupt USG talking points, already in progress. Replay the down. The get big mad if you even remotely question their narrative. See above lol. Ukraine, like Covid, certainly has shown some things. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:38:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coming from you that’s a compliment. CoC prevents me from going further so I will leave it at that. Nothing about CoC prevents you from addressing the actual point I raised. You know, the one you completely ignored because, ironically, you were so triggered by disagreement that you had to start lashing out and calling people cultists again. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the worst. That's a fight. Inconsistent? Yep. The winner of the worst poster is not under debate. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would, but not to the level you boys think. The entire Northern, Pacific and Baltic fleets (except the Minsk which was transferred to the BSF) are intact. If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? Who gives a fuck. Do they represent a threat to US interests or not? Not Ukrainian interests, in case anyone else wants to immediately answer. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing about CoC prevents you from addressing the actual point I raised. You know, the one you completely ignored because, ironically, you were so triggered by disagreement that you had to start lashing out and calling people cultists again. Cult is exactly the word to describe it. You should probably wait on your leader to continue further and discuss next best steps. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't attack you, imply anything about your intelligence, or make any comments directed at you about your person, whatsoever. But here's a personal observation. You easily have the thinnest skin of anyone on this website. You've yet to defend 100 billion dollars of US funding to a non NATO ally after being a dedicated libertarian for the two decades I've read your posts. Do I discount those two decades or your recent ones? |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had never even heard of a "super moon parasite" before he posted that image. That's a completely novel kook theory for me. 
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:41:11 PM EDT
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Oh look, a corrupt Ukrainian strongman behaving like a corrupt Ukrainian strongman.
I'll say it again. He'll be dead or in jail for corruption inside of a decade. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it didn't show any such thing. The link worked if you reloaded The super structure is toast but the hull is entirely intact. This a a screen shot from your link (which happens to be another UKR source) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445260/Capture_JPG-2953524.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? I just posted a link to a video of the landing craft smoldering, but the link won't go hot. It's completely cooked. It looks like it burned to the waterline (if it had been in water) The super structure is toast but the hull is entirely intact. This a a screen shot from your link (which happens to be another UKR source) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445260/Capture_JPG-2953524.JPG Now show the damage just to the right of your beautiful pic! 
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've yet to defend 100 billion dollars of US funding to a non NATO ally after being a dedicated libertarian for the two decades I've read your posts. Do discount those two decades or your recent ones? I have to defend non-specific positions you've assigned to me over an apparent 20 year obsession with me before you (or I guess he?) will address the point about whether or not the transfer of multiple landing ships to the Black Sea fleet indicates anything about their importance to Russian naval operations in the current war? lol, ok. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The winner of the worst poster is not under debate. @PolarBear416 is still accessing GD. To his credit he won't deny he's not American (since that's a likely lie.) He just ignores the charge and pretends he's American. @1Andy2 has floated around GD for a long time. Not always posts I agree with, but ones I read. Why? He's been, in my opinion generally responsible and reasonable if, in my view incorrect on occasion. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so he's saying that other euro nations aren't pulling their weight. he's right. didn't trump say that once too? FUCK UKRAINE! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:48:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think Russia can just sail new warships into the Black Sea? At the end of the day I think it's the size of the check cut to the Turks. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing about CoC prevents you from addressing the actual point I raised. You know, the one you completely ignored because, ironically, you were so triggered by disagreement that you had to start lashing out and calling people cultists again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Coming from you that's a compliment. CoC prevents me from going further so I will leave it at that. Nothing about CoC prevents you from addressing the actual point I raised. You know, the one you completely ignored because, ironically, you were so triggered by disagreement that you had to start lashing out and calling people cultists again. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:49:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a fuck. Do they represent a threat to US interests or not? Not Ukrainian interests, in case anyone else wants to immediately answer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It would, but not to the level you boys think. The entire Northern, Pacific and Baltic fleets (except the Minsk which was transferred to the BSF) are intact. If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? Who gives a fuck. Do they represent a threat to US interests or not? Not Ukrainian interests, in case anyone else wants to immediately answer. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:50:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:52:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO isn't pulling it's weight you uke bro bro. FUCK UKRAINE! yeah that's what i said. and i get tagged as a uke bro because you're too dim to understand that i swear some of y'all are broken as fuck with the ukraine/russia stuff |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think Russia can just sail new warships into the Black Sea? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your screen grab is fantastic Now show the damage just to the right of your beautiful pic! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? I just posted a link to a video of the landing craft smoldering, but the link won't go hot. It's completely cooked. It looks like it burned to the waterline (if it had been in water) The super structure is toast but the hull is entirely intact. This a a screen shot from your link (which happens to be another UKR source) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445260/Capture_JPG-2953524.JPG Now show the damage just to the right of your beautiful pic! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not in the slightest. I can't think of a single thing that UKR provides that the US should be interested in If nothing else, we can recalibrate against the advise of State, the US Army, and USAF, among other failed organizations, what our exact investment in European defense is. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO isn't pulling it's weight you uke bro bro. FUCK UKRAINE! NATO hasn't been pulling its weight since the average poster in this thread has been in junior high |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:59:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO hasn't been pulling its weight since the average poster in this thread has been in junior high Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NATO isn't pulling it's weight you uke bro bro. FUCK UKRAINE! NATO hasn't been pulling its weight since the average poster in this thread has been in junior high |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 out of 31 countries actually make their commitment. The thought is the 4 new ones will. Look, European security is based off of Nebraska National Guardsmen and US nukes, because Euros are, at the base, too lazy to fuck. They aren't too lazy to get half of the DOD and DOS to shill for them. Got to give credit where credit is due. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO hasn't been pulling its weight since the average poster in this thread has been in junior high True. To me, NATO wants to be seen like a rural fire department coop where everybody chips in to the common defense, but it seems in many cases just a way to distribute US wealth to foreigners in exchange for some of their sovereignty and being close to the Russian Federation to 'contain' it |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 out of 31 countries actually make their commitment. The thought is the 4 new ones will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: NATO isn't pulling it's weight you uke bro bro. FUCK UKRAINE! NATO hasn't been pulling its weight since the average poster in this thread has been in junior high There are significantly more problems than just not meeting the financial commitments. Most of them are duplicitous and go out of their way to prove they are not Americans. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:05:24 PM EDT
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Hitting glorious Russian naval vessels in dry dock is the military equivalent of punching a hole in drywall.
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are significantly more problems than just not meeting the financial commitments. Most of them are duplicitous and go out of their way to prove they are not Americans. What do you know about NATO in combat!!!!????!!!??! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitting glorious Russian naval vessels in dry dock is the military equivalent of punching a hole in drywall. As an Irishman I'll consider that a personal attack. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They sailed the Minsk there along with 5 other LSTs. It is officially part of the Baltic Fleet. Turkey will allow anything Frigate or smaller or any LST to transit. They sailed there prior to Turkey barring further military ships through the strait into the Black Sea. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 3:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you know about NATO in combat!!!!????!!!??! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are significantly more problems than just not meeting the financial commitments. Most of them are duplicitous and go out of their way to prove they are not Americans. What do you know about NATO in combat!!!!????!!!??! Most of the deaths from Task Force 2/7 in 2008 Afghanistan are a result of our NATO partners both flat out lying to the US about the conditions on the ground and when the Marines took over the end of the our partner’s practice of paying the Tailiban to not attack their facilities. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kilo yes, Landing craft debatable Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay. You're right. There is zero proof that Ukraine "destroyed" the Kilo-class submarine, "Rostov-on-Don" or the Landing Craft. However, it WOULD be a significant event if they did, correct? Kilo yes, Landing craft debatable They only have a few of those boats in the Black Sea, and they are using them for logistics. Damage the bridge, and... |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:02:19 PM EDT
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If he really said that, then FUCK that terrorist asshole...........
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:02:25 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would, but not to the level you boys think. The entire Northern, Pacific and Baltic fleets (except the Minsk which was transferred to the BSF) are intact. If the need arises, don't you think Putin would move a few more? To Sevastopol? That place is dangerous! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it didn't show any such thing. The link worked if you reloaded The super structure is toast but the hull is entirely intact. This a a screen shot from your link (which happens to be another UKR source) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445260/Capture_JPG-2953524.JPG Nice cherry picked screenshot. Here’s the view to the right. It got hot enough for decks to collapse and steel windows to sag to the point of almost being closed. Want to place bets on how long it takes them to gut that thing to the bare hull and rebuild? They won’t. They don’t have the shipbuilding capability to do it in Sevastopol, and they can’t get it out of there. Poland built that landing ship anyways so it’s not like they’re going to tow it back to the shipyard that built it and have it rebuilt. Poland will tell them to fuck off. That’s a total loss.  
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:10:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the deaths from Task Force 2/7 in 2008 Afghanistan are a result of our NATO partners both flat out lying to the US about the conditions on the ground and when the Marines took over the end of the our partner’s practice of paying the Tailiban to not attack their facilities. That's a lie. What do you know about NATO partners willfully putting Americans in harms' way? |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice cherry picked screenshot. Here's the view to the right. It got hot enough for decks to collapse and steel windows to sag to the point of almost being closed. Want to place bets on how long it takes them to gut that thing to the bare hull and rebuild? They won't. They don't have the shipbuilding capability to do it in Sevastopol, and they can't get it out of there. Poland built that landing ship anyways so it's not like they're going to tow it back to the shipyard that built it and have it rebuilt. Poland will tell them to fuck off. That's a total loss. https://i.ibb.co/nPTx57M/IMG-3351.png https://i.ibb.co/gDBvFXC/IMG-3352.png 
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice cherry picked screenshot. Here’s the view to the right. It got hot enough for decks to collapse and steel windows to sag to the point of almost being closed. Want to place bets on how long it takes them to gut that thing to the bare hull and rebuild? They won’t. They don’t have the shipbuilding capability to do it in Sevastopol, and they can’t get it out of there. Poland built that landing ship anyways so it’s not like they’re going to tow it back to the shipyard that built it and have it rebuilt. Poland will tell them to fuck off. That’s a total loss. https://i.ibb.co/nPTx57M/IMG-3351.png https://i.ibb.co/gDBvFXC/IMG-3352.png LoL Tis but a scratch! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 4:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Minor damage" Is stronk Russian ship comrade! Here is another ship with minor damage. /cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/YGFZ7IFL2ZPETKMYLZS7LGC4VA.jpg)
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