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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:43:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, little utility trucks are awesome; peak of *actual* utility. Save the big diesels & job box & off-road rigs for the company to purchase. I agree and would love to find one, but I bet they're crazy expensive now, even the beaters. 
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:43:17 PM EST
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Can't wait to jump my petro-sexual ass in my truck and trigger some soy boy liberals on the way home.
Maybe I'll run over a Prius or two to establish dominance. No, better yet, a Kia Soul or two. Those fucking things always get in the way. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:43:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  I am a proud purveyor of menacing hatred 
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:44:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's funny is that the gov is the one responsible for making these trucks much bigger than they need to be. Just yesterday I saw an old, OLD Toyota truck on the road. Me and my buddy were like: Check that shit out! Haven't seen one of those in forever! Then we were shocked when it got up on the ramp to get on the highway!!  It was a tiny little truck, I can't even remember what model it was as it wasn't on any part of the truck. It looked like a Chevy Luv, remember those? It was probably even smaller than that! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107026/46E3F701-61EA-4393-BFD2-D88F0E5764E0-1865650.jpg Weird to think that Tundras are 1/2ton trucks. Toyota actually made a 1ton longbed mini truck in the 80s. They also made box truck duallies (U-Haul had them in their fleet). Even a 2nd or 3rd gen Tacoma next to an older toyota pickup really does illustrate how much bigger what is basically the same model has gotten over the years. 87 and 2011  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:50:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird to think that Tundras are 1/2ton trucks. Toyota actually made a 1ton longbed mini truck in the 80s. They also made box truck duallies (U-Haul had them in their fleet). Even a 2nd or 3rd gen Tacoma next to an older toyota pickup really does illustrate how much bigger what is basically the same model has gotten over the years. 87 and 2011 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/IMG_4550_jpg-1866788.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's funny is that the gov is the one responsible for making these trucks much bigger than they need to be. Just yesterday I saw an old, OLD Toyota truck on the road. Me and my buddy were like: Check that shit out! Haven't seen one of those in forever! Then we were shocked when it got up on the ramp to get on the highway!! It was a tiny little truck, I can't even remember what model it was as it wasn't on any part of the truck. It looked like a Chevy Luv, remember those? It was probably even smaller than that! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107026/46E3F701-61EA-4393-BFD2-D88F0E5764E0-1865650.jpg Weird to think that Tundras are 1/2ton trucks. Toyota actually made a 1ton longbed mini truck in the 80s. They also made box truck duallies (U-Haul had them in their fleet). Even a 2nd or 3rd gen Tacoma next to an older toyota pickup really does illustrate how much bigger what is basically the same model has gotten over the years. 87 and 2011 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/IMG_4550_jpg-1866788.JPG IMHO crash testing, and "interior space sells" and people got larger, not insignificant factors. Same with ride quality.  The more payload you want, the stiffer it gets, UNLESS you're using something like air suspension. Traditional truck drivers might not be bugged by a stiff truck ride, but normies they're trying to bring to the segment? Are accustomed to the ride feel of that suburban/tahoe. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:50:22 PM EST
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I don't know about all of the psychological shit, but I hate new trucks. I want simpler, lighter, smaller, with more options for at least an 8' bed. Less plastic trim, less shiny geegaws. I don't want 400hp and power everything. I want a big 4 cylinder turbodiesel, or a big inline 6 gas engine. Solid axles, mechanical switches. Simple HVAC. At least give me one option.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:51:24 PM EST
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I don't see a problem.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If sucking dick was a professional sport, the author of that article would be a team captain would have led his team to 5 or 6 national championships. Nah, that would require dedication, drive, commitment and leadership. She'd be on the bench. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:53:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird to think that Tundras are 1/2ton trucks. Toyota actually made a 1ton longbed mini truck in the 80s. They also made box truck duallies (U-Haul had them in their fleet). Even a 2nd or 3rd gen Tacoma next to an older toyota pickup really does illustrate how much bigger what is basically the same model has gotten over the years. 87 and 2011 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/IMG_4550_jpg-1866788.JPG Damn, those are sweet!  I'll take the early model! |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:55:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree and would love to find one, but I bet they're crazy expensive now, even the beaters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, little utility trucks are awesome; peak of *actual* utility. Save the big diesels & job box & off-road rigs for the company to purchase. I agree and would love to find one, but I bet they're crazy expensive now, even the beaters. I think bro dozers are Chad's version of Karen's double-oven, eight burner, subzero fridge "professional kitchen" |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:56:46 PM EST
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Doing my part. F450 4 door, service body, crane, welder, air compressor and tools. 16,500lbs of dino burning mobile office/home.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:01:13 PM EST
[#12]
She would have an aneurysm if she walked on my lot
  
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:06:43 PM EST
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They hate everything we like trucks, guns, fossil fuels ,etc. If it seems like they're working thru a list it' s because they are, they hate us and this is the next best thing to shooting you in the head. They want you to have nothing, they demand $5.00 a gallon gas knowing it will hurt you and what you drive, it's personal . They want to rule us and make us pay tenfold for our crimes of buying what we want and not what they think we should have. I know this for a fact. They have big plans for all of us.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:14:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They hate everything we like trucks, guns, fossil fuels ,etc. If it seems like they're working thru a list it' s because they are, they hate us and this is the next best thing to shooting you in the head. They want you to have nothing, they demand $5.00 a gallon gas knowing it will hurt you and what you drive, it's personal . They want to rule us and make us pay tenfold for our crimes of buying what we want and not what they think we should have. I know this for a fact. They have big plans for all of us. This is where I am at. I have basically only two things i enjoy and they are under attack |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:23:04 PM EST
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 Attached FileMeh. I'd hit it in the bed of my Frontier. That's a tiny truck in today's world, so it would turn her on right? |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:27:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think bro dozers are Chad's version of Karen's double-oven, eight burner, subzero fridge "professional kitchen" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, little utility trucks are awesome; peak of *actual* utility. Save the big diesels & job box & off-road rigs for the company to purchase. I agree and would love to find one, but I bet they're crazy expensive now, even the beaters. I think bro dozers are Chad's version of Karen's double-oven, eight burner, subzero fridge "professional kitchen" Yup, though I don't have anything against them, not my style. I want a truck to USE as a truck on the very few instances when I need a truck. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:27:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is where I am at. I have basically only two things i enjoy and they are under attack Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They hate everything we like trucks, guns, fossil fuels ,etc. If it seems like they're working thru a list it' s because they are, they hate us and this is the next best thing to shooting you in the head. They want you to have nothing, they demand $5.00 a gallon gas knowing it will hurt you and what you drive, it's personal . They want to rule us and make us pay tenfold for our crimes of buying what we want and not what they think we should have. I know this for a fact. They have big plans for all of us. This is where I am at. I have basically only two things i enjoy and they are under attack Yup. This has never been about the millionaire senator with the Audi like Bernie Sanders - this has never been about a 10mpg ferrari. It's about punishing Cleetus.  That's why they hate the hellcats. Brabus mercedes? They won't see it. Porsche? That's fine. A hellcat that your neighbor can afford? Problem. A billionaire going to 1 of 7 homes on a private jet, after talking about how the serf class should be without power and that's no biggie? And they HAVE TO drive electrics? (PS: Honduras won't be doing the EV thing any time soon. ICE vehicles will be around in much of the world, for a long time.) No problem. Cleetus and his beloved 2002 F250 that he modded? That he uses his small blue collar check modding? That's the problem. "gUn CoNtRoL" isn't about reducing crime. It's about? You guessed it. Punishing Cleetus. The caricature of their political enemies justifies their hatred, and makes them feel justified in how many freedoms they take away. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:28:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet at some point the author says big trucks are misogynistic because the gender wage gap means women only get paid enough to afford small cars that don't survive crashes with bro dozers. Amirite? |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:29:47 PM EST
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Not gonna lie, I love my SUV but this article makes me want to take a ten year loan out, buy a monster brodozer and roll coal in every hippy city I can find while pulling a huge trailer full of burning tires behind me.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:35:36 PM EST
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Since 1990, U.S. pickup trucks have added almost 1,300 pounds on average. Some of the biggest vehicles on the market now weigh almost 7,000 pounds — or about three Honda Civics. These vehicles have a voracious appetite for space, one that’s increasingly irreconcilable with the way cities (and garages, and parking lots) are built. Sheeeeeeeeeee-iiiittttttttt. My 2019 Ford F450 Crew Cab dually pickup has a curb weight of 9,150 lbs, is 24' long and 8' wide. So I'm 3x '21 Honda Civics in weight, 1.6x '21 Honda Civics long, and 1.4x '21 Honda Civics wide. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:44:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So that's a great question, If we "re-rated" a lot of the old trucks, the payloads and the towing would come down. They would take a serious beating. The halftons of today without options are now well over a ton on hauling capacity. I'd say the ballpark of the segment is like 1500lbs on the doorsticker. Many less, some more. 2500s are way over 3/4 ton on capacity, lightly loaded. Ballpark on the segment I'd say, 2,200lbs. Some less, some more. 1tons without options are way over 1ton on capacity. I haven't personally shopped for one, but the game changes for single rear wheel vs dual rear wheel. There are some eye-watering payload numbers available in the 350/3500 guys.Pig them up with creature comforts and the payloads come down.  A fully loaded Super-platinum F-250 diesel crew cab, with every option possible, will have more horsepower and torque for towing than you can shake a stick at! And probably like 1900lbs payload, maybe 1700 even. Same with Ram. Same with Chevrolet. Supposedly there were 2nd Gen raptors reviewed that when weighed had like 750 and 660lbs payload. I wish I kept that article. That does not include the driver. "People don't think adding option weights be like it is, but it do." Reality is midsize trucks and 1/2tons are close payload wise, on the doorsticker anyway. I would MUCH rather haul with a halfton though, and a 3/ton over that. It's the towing (and interior space, and power) where they really depart. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The author isn't wrong about the styling. Nearly every truck has a "big angry dick gon' fuck you up!" front end anymore, all are comically big for what they're doing (even 'compact' pickups are what full sizes used to be, and rapidly swell to bloated full size after a couple model year changes). And of course everything is lifted, every last model, even though nearly all are 2WD. A Chevy 2500 used to be considered a big truck --not huge, but big. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2001-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-3_jpg-1866599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2021ChevroletSilverado2500HD-exterior-02-1866598.JPG Why the fuck is the hood higher than the bed? Why is the front end flat? Why is there a sharp corner at the front of the hood? How much fucking plastic is there around the engine bay? Everything but the fenders is molded vinyl, anymore. Don't get me started on how retarded the interiors have become, in order to cater to lardasses --why else would you want, let alone need, a dinner table for a center console? So basically as we ask for more capacity (towing/hauling) from our trucks, somethin happens. After the SAE J2807 towing standard went in, a uniform standard was set to base all these claims on. IIRC the truck has to pull their rated max load, up hill, in the heat, AC on blast, on a steep grade. If it can't do it, it doesn't make the standard for that weight. It needs a large radiator to handle the needed cooling. On the 2500s? That radiator is like the size of a fucking flatscreen TV. It's huge. That's what's in the front of those HD trucks. The capacity of the 1500 trucks is lower but nothing to sneeze at. Same concern. So now the hood is tall. In order to see over it, higher the cab goes. To tow better at higher weights, stability wise, it needs more wheelbase, putting the tire/wheel further from the driver also helps avoid the small overlap crash testing issues. Now it's got good interior space too. If ground clearance is shitty, now they can't mount a plow/and/or take it on job sites. So up the truck goes. Now it needs to be wide enough to not roll. Now add on big tires/wheels, and that 400hp now isn't torching a 29in tire on a light truck and refusing to get traction, it's got to turn a big tall heavy tire, with a big truck on top. Horsepower, managed. Now add in EPA aero Bullshit along with pedestrian crash-testing Re: the styling. So on goes the airdam on the volume model trucks. The rake (Good for payload) assists in aero as well as the tailgate's light crecent shape. Chinese consumers LOVE big wide open grilles that "shout your paycheck." which IMHO could be a factor on the GM trucks. Could be. However Trucks like the F150 and Ram 1500 avoid this, as North America is the biggest focus for them, by far, design wise. And those trucks look great. STYLING wise, we see a large mix from guys who want to see a ton of chrome all the way to guys who dont't want to see any of it. Bright colors to blacked out. Shorter "road going" trucks, up to Factory bro-dozers. It's a very diverse segment for sure. I'm sure the journalist student who wrote the article reallllllllllllly took the time to learn about the SAE J2807, the capacity-driven desires of truck buyers too.  Bet she went through it as if she was going to buy a truck and trying to understand what's actually going on. Has the capacity/capability actually increased, though? They're still 1/4-1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks, unless I'm missing something. So that's a great question, If we "re-rated" a lot of the old trucks, the payloads and the towing would come down. They would take a serious beating. The halftons of today without options are now well over a ton on hauling capacity. I'd say the ballpark of the segment is like 1500lbs on the doorsticker. Many less, some more. 2500s are way over 3/4 ton on capacity, lightly loaded. Ballpark on the segment I'd say, 2,200lbs. Some less, some more. 1tons without options are way over 1ton on capacity. I haven't personally shopped for one, but the game changes for single rear wheel vs dual rear wheel. There are some eye-watering payload numbers available in the 350/3500 guys.Pig them up with creature comforts and the payloads come down. A fully loaded Super-platinum F-250 diesel crew cab, with every option possible, will have more horsepower and torque for towing than you can shake a stick at! And probably like 1900lbs payload, maybe 1700 even. Same with Ram. Same with Chevrolet. Supposedly there were 2nd Gen raptors reviewed that when weighed had like 750 and 660lbs payload. I wish I kept that article. That does not include the driver. "People don't think adding option weights be like it is, but it do." Reality is midsize trucks and 1/2tons are close payload wise, on the doorsticker anyway. I would MUCH rather haul with a halfton though, and a 3/ton over that. It's the towing (and interior space, and power) where they really depart.   it's not exactly apples to apples but there's the difference between a 1 ton xlt alumiduty diesel and a 3/4 ton lariat alumiduty diesel, same configurations 2238 vs 3727lbs |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:46:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's crazy that people get paid for coming up with such nonsense. Even more people buy that shit. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:47:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a truck to USE as a truck on the very few instances when I need a truck. Yeah, Like I never carried a milling machine, a large fork lift battery, a half ton of pea gravel in any of my 4 Datsun pickups.... 71, 73, 76, 76.5 Not to mention being able to out run the huge-o-matics on the freeway on top end, and out corner them too. 1.6 liters of Fuc You !  |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:48:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pathetic what so many in this country are becoming. They want to destroy you and your way of life. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:52:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30587/85853A5F-2766-48F3-AABC-2B8B4B4A35AE-1421627.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30587/BC95BD36-75CF-4255-9178-AA149228077A-1421621.jpg it's not exactly apples to apples but there's the difference between a 1 ton xlt alumiduty diesel and a 3/4 ton lariat alumiduty diesel, same configurations 2238 vs 3727lbs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The author isn't wrong about the styling. Nearly every truck has a "big angry dick gon' fuck you up!" front end anymore, all are comically big for what they're doing (even 'compact' pickups are what full sizes used to be, and rapidly swell to bloated full size after a couple model year changes). And of course everything is lifted, every last model, even though nearly all are 2WD. A Chevy 2500 used to be considered a big truck --not huge, but big. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2001-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-3_jpg-1866599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2021ChevroletSilverado2500HD-exterior-02-1866598.JPG Why the fuck is the hood higher than the bed? Why is the front end flat? Why is there a sharp corner at the front of the hood? How much fucking plastic is there around the engine bay? Everything but the fenders is molded vinyl, anymore. Don't get me started on how retarded the interiors have become, in order to cater to lardasses --why else would you want, let alone need, a dinner table for a center console? So basically as we ask for more capacity (towing/hauling) from our trucks, somethin happens. After the SAE J2807 towing standard went in, a uniform standard was set to base all these claims on. IIRC the truck has to pull their rated max load, up hill, in the heat, AC on blast, on a steep grade. If it can't do it, it doesn't make the standard for that weight. It needs a large radiator to handle the needed cooling. On the 2500s? That radiator is like the size of a fucking flatscreen TV. It's huge. That's what's in the front of those HD trucks. The capacity of the 1500 trucks is lower but nothing to sneeze at. Same concern. So now the hood is tall. In order to see over it, higher the cab goes. To tow better at higher weights, stability wise, it needs more wheelbase, putting the tire/wheel further from the driver also helps avoid the small overlap crash testing issues. Now it's got good interior space too. If ground clearance is shitty, now they can't mount a plow/and/or take it on job sites. So up the truck goes. Now it needs to be wide enough to not roll. Now add on big tires/wheels, and that 400hp now isn't torching a 29in tire on a light truck and refusing to get traction, it's got to turn a big tall heavy tire, with a big truck on top. Horsepower, managed. Now add in EPA aero Bullshit along with pedestrian crash-testing Re: the styling. So on goes the airdam on the volume model trucks. The rake (Good for payload) assists in aero as well as the tailgate's light crecent shape. Chinese consumers LOVE big wide open grilles that "shout your paycheck." which IMHO could be a factor on the GM trucks. Could be. However Trucks like the F150 and Ram 1500 avoid this, as North America is the biggest focus for them, by far, design wise. And those trucks look great. STYLING wise, we see a large mix from guys who want to see a ton of chrome all the way to guys who dont't want to see any of it. Bright colors to blacked out. Shorter "road going" trucks, up to Factory bro-dozers. It's a very diverse segment for sure. I'm sure the journalist student who wrote the article reallllllllllllly took the time to learn about the SAE J2807, the capacity-driven desires of truck buyers too. Bet she went through it as if she was going to buy a truck and trying to understand what's actually going on. Has the capacity/capability actually increased, though? They're still 1/4-1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks, unless I'm missing something. So that's a great question, If we "re-rated" a lot of the old trucks, the payloads and the towing would come down. They would take a serious beating. The halftons of today without options are now well over a ton on hauling capacity. I'd say the ballpark of the segment is like 1500lbs on the doorsticker. Many less, some more. 2500s are way over 3/4 ton on capacity, lightly loaded. Ballpark on the segment I'd say, 2,200lbs. Some less, some more. 1tons without options are way over 1ton on capacity. I haven't personally shopped for one, but the game changes for single rear wheel vs dual rear wheel. There are some eye-watering payload numbers available in the 350/3500 guys.Pig them up with creature comforts and the payloads come down. A fully loaded Super-platinum F-250 diesel crew cab, with every option possible, will have more horsepower and torque for towing than you can shake a stick at! And probably like 1900lbs payload, maybe 1700 even. Same with Ram. Same with Chevrolet. Supposedly there were 2nd Gen raptors reviewed that when weighed had like 750 and 660lbs payload. I wish I kept that article. That does not include the driver. "People don't think adding option weights be like it is, but it do." Reality is midsize trucks and 1/2tons are close payload wise, on the doorsticker anyway. I would MUCH rather haul with a halfton though, and a 3/ton over that. It's the towing (and interior space, and power) where they really depart. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30587/85853A5F-2766-48F3-AABC-2B8B4B4A35AE-1421627.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30587/BC95BD36-75CF-4255-9178-AA149228077A-1421621.jpg it's not exactly apples to apples but there's the difference between a 1 ton xlt alumiduty diesel and a 3/4 ton lariat alumiduty diesel, same configurations 2238 vs 3727lbs As safe and wellbuilt as those trucks are? The (likely) city-dwelling lady who probably takes the subway and rides a bike to an apartment, is OffendedTM. She'll never meet you. She knows fuckall about trucks. She knows even less about life. But know what? FUCK that guy and his truck that's capable of doing what he bought it for. And some academic at a University that's paid to whinge professionally even agrees, and used buzzwords around it. People like this buy their vehicles on the idea of "cute", or "can afford it", they have no concept of what a working vehicle is expected to do - whether hauling a toy-trailer, OR bulldozers to a jobsite. No fucking concept whatsoever. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:53:26 PM EST
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Take my 4Runner for a drive here, then take out my BMW Z4. One is pretty much a staple and go-to in north Idaho, the other smells suspiciously of outside money (which is funny, because it's a 2011 and wasn't that expensive).
The difference in aggression level between the two from the 3/4 ton brigade is significant, and dangerous. Sitting a foot off the ground in a convertible with a 7K pound lifted pickup five feet off your bumper at 60 mph is no joke. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 3:57:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet a 2021 Honda Civic weighs over 1,000 lbs more then a 1990 Civic too, and is markedly larger to boot. Pretty much. 1990 Honda Civic DX Curb weight 2165 lbs. 2021 Honda Civic Curb weight 2,771 to 3,012 lbs |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:07:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Like I never carried a milling machine, a large fork lift battery, a half ton of pea gravel in any of my 4 Datsun pickups.... 71, 73, 76, 76.5 Not to mention being able to out run the huge-o-matics on the freeway on top end, and out corner them too. 1.6 liters of Fuc You ! https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z237/duaxmachine/Datsun/DSC09288.jpg?width=450&height=278&crop=fill Nice. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:11:18 PM EST
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Those little one ton Toyotas of the eighties were unstoppable. I'd take one over an F whatever of today without even thinking about it.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:11:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the capacity/capability actually increased, though? They're still 1/4-1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks, unless I'm missing something. Absolutely. That's just an old naming convention. Even my 95 Dakota is rated for nearly a ton of payload. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:12:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, though I don't have anything against them, not my style. I want a truck to USE as a truck on the very few instances when I need a truck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, little utility trucks are awesome; peak of *actual* utility. Save the big diesels & job box & off-road rigs for the company to purchase. I agree and would love to find one, but I bet they're crazy expensive now, even the beaters. I think bro dozers are Chad's version of Karen's double-oven, eight burner, subzero fridge "professional kitchen" Yup, though I don't have anything against them, not my style. I want a truck to USE as a truck on the very few instances when I need a truck. I do think it's cool consumers have access to such capability...I do find it lame so many think they need it
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:13:42 PM EST
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*laughs in daily driving a 7000+lb PowerWagon*
 CF4B9EFC-3500-48D7-B966-2CDC074B7E71_1_201_a by Austin Scott, on Flickr
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:16:50 PM EST
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The author just assumed my vehicle type and that really triggers me. My truck identifies as a golf cart you feckless #@&$
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:17:27 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take my 4Runner for a drive here, then take out my BMW Z4. One is pretty much a staple and go-to in north Idaho, the other smells suspiciously of outside money (which is funny, because it's a 2011 and wasn't that expensive). The difference in aggression level between the two from the 3/4 ton brigade is significant, and dangerous. Sitting a foot off the ground in a convertible with a 7K pound lifted pickup five feet off your bumper at 60 mph is no joke. I blame the bro dozers for the death of coupe & sedan sales. CUVs are a response to the lifted truck arms race. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:21:06 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the capacity/capability actually increased, though? They're still 1/4-1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks, unless I'm missing something. Yes. The trucks are heavier and still haul (hundreds of pounds) and tow (thousands of pounds) more weight than, say, an early 2000s model. Even before you account for changing standards which are more uniform and stringent now. The big dog 3500HD diesels now require a commercial drivers license (CDL) to max the tow rating. Like 35,000 lbs towing capacity. That’s enough to tow a small steel tracked bulldozer; like a D3 Caterpillar. That’s something that, when I was a kid, you could barely pull with a 2 ton dump truck and many people would have used a tandem axle dump truck to pull. Now you can legally pull it with a pickup truck. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:22:47 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet at some point the author says big trucks are misogynistic because the gender wage gap means women only get paid enough to afford small cars that don’t survive crashes with bro dozers. Amirite? King County charges extra license fee based on the weight of the vehicle. If a disparate impact analysis were to be done on this tax it would undoubtedly fall on males mostly. I wish some enterprising attorney would file such a case to redress this discrimination. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:23:44 PM EST
[#37]
Lift just got 3 inches higher.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:24:44 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "The F150 loomed over my rear bumper, like Chauvin on Floyd's neck..." |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:35:35 PM EST
[#39]
Just wait for the increase in the federal gas tax the democrats are planning on to pay for the green new deal in the $4 trillion infrastructure plan.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:36:41 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If sucking dick was a professional sport, the author of that article would be a team captain would have led his team to 5 or 6 national championships. 
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:37:01 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The author isn't wrong about the styling. Nearly every truck has a "big angry dick gon' fuck you up!" front end anymore, all are comically big for what they're doing (even 'compact' pickups are what full sizes used to be, and rapidly swell to bloated full size after a couple model year changes). And of course everything is lifted, every last model, even though nearly all are 2WD. A Chevy 2500 used to be considered a big truck --not huge, but big. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2001-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-3_jpg-1866599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2021ChevroletSilverado2500HD-exterior-02-1866598.JPG Why the fuck is the hood higher than the bed? Why is the front end flat? Why is there a sharp corner at the front of the hood? How much fucking plastic is there around the engine bay? Everything but the fenders is molded vinyl, anymore. Don't get me started on how retarded the interiors have become, in order to cater to lardasses --why else would you want, let alone need, a dinner table for a center console? ^^^ You can't see what's in front of you over the damned hood. It's like trying to sit on a modern couch/recliner, they are built to conform to the shape of lard asses, and are very uncomfortable to sit in without a pillow behind your back to take up all the extra space where the target populations fat ass would be. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:37:34 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *laughs in daily driving a 7000+lb PowerWagon* https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50647213812_cbc8085e55_b.jpgCF4B9EFC-3500-48D7-B966-2CDC074B7E71_1_201_a by Austin Scott, on Flickr I don't quite daily drive the PW in my avatar, because I also have a modest sized Jeep Gladiator that I've reduced the MPG's on due to my oppressive petro-masculinity and some 35 inch tires with a lift, some heavy rock rails, and a front bumper with a winch. I actually enjoy the power wagon more, but I didn't get a moon roof on mine, so the Gladiator with a Bestop Sunrider is great for nice weather days. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:40:41 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't quite daily drive the PW in my avatar, because I also have a modest sized Jeep Gladiator that I've reduced the MPG's on due to my oppressive petro-masculinity and some 35 inch tires with a lift, some heavy rock rails, and a front bumper with a winch. I actually enjoy the power wagon more, but I didn't get a moon roof on mine, so the Gladiator with a Bestop Sunrider is great for nice weather days. Im going to put 35s on mine asap. Love this thing. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:42:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The difference in aggression level between the two from the 3/4 ton brigade is significant, and dangerous. Sitting a foot off the ground in a convertible with a 7K pound lifted pickup five feet off your bumper at 60 mph is no joke. Yeah, when I had a small "fun" car I noticed the same thing. Guys in their lifted douchemobiles riding my ass and/or trying to roll coal, which they'd never do to me on the days when I'm driving MY diesel 1-ton. Hate to say it, but there is definitely an annoying segment of pickup drivers who do pull the "intimidating" shit that the author claims. I've got a friend who drives an F-550 AND a Prius for work (depending on the type of job he's working on), and he's mentioned the same thing. Hell, plenty of guys on this forum brag about rolling coal and intimidating Prius drivers and bicyclists. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:49:05 PM EST
[#45]
When was the last time a Civic weight 2300lb?
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:54:08 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The author isn't wrong about the styling. Nearly every truck has a "big angry dick gon' fuck you up!" front end anymore, all are comically big for what they're doing (even 'compact' pickups are what full sizes used to be, and rapidly swell to bloated full size after a couple model year changes). And of course everything is lifted, every last model, even though nearly all are 2WD. A Chevy 2500 used to be considered a big truck --not huge, but big. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2001-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-3_jpg-1866599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2021ChevroletSilverado2500HD-exterior-02-1866598.JPG Why the fuck is the hood higher than the bed? Why is the front end flat? Why is there a sharp corner at the front of the hood? How much fucking plastic is there around the engine bay? Everything but the fenders is molded vinyl, anymore. Don't get me started on how retarded the interiors have become, in order to cater to lardasses --why else would you want, let alone need, a dinner table for a center console? Just needs dual chrome stacks and a set of air horns. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:55:47 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So basically as we ask for more capacity (towing/hauling) from our trucks, somethin happens. After the SAE J2807 towing standard went in, a uniform standard was set to base all these claims on. IIRC the truck has to pull their rated max load, up hill, in the heat, AC on blast, on a steep grade. If it can't do it, it doesn't make the standard for that weight. It needs a large radiator to handle the needed cooling. On the 2500s? That radiator is like the size of a fucking flatscreen TV. It's huge. That's what's in the front of those HD trucks. The capacity of the 1500 trucks is lower but nothing to sneeze at. Same concern. So now the hood is tall. In order to see over it, higher the cab goes. To tow better at higher weights, stability wise, it needs more wheelbase, putting the tire/wheel further from the driver also helps avoid the small overlap crash testing issues. Now it's got good interior space too. If ground clearance is shitty, now they can't mount a plow/and/or take it on job sites. So up the truck goes. Now it needs to be wide enough to not roll. Now add on big tires/wheels, and that 400hp now isn't torching a 29in tire on a light truck and refusing to get traction, it's got to turn a big tall heavy tire, with a big truck on top. Horsepower, managed. Now add in EPA aero Bullshit along with pedestrian crash-testing Re: the styling. So on goes the airdam on the volume model trucks. The rake (Good for payload) assists in aero as well as the tailgate's light crecent shape. Chinese consumers LOVE big wide open grilles that "shout your paycheck." which IMHO could be a factor on the GM trucks. Could be. However Trucks like the F150 and Ram 1500 avoid this, as North America is the biggest focus for them, by far, design wise. And those trucks look great. STYLING wise, we see a large mix from guys who want to see a ton of chrome all the way to guys who dont't want to see any of it. Bright colors to blacked out. Shorter "road going" trucks, up to Factory bro-dozers. It's a very diverse segment for sure. I'm sure the journalist student who wrote the article reallllllllllllly took the time to learn about the SAE J2807, the capacity-driven desires of truck buyers too. Bet she went through it as if she was going to buy a truck and trying to understand what's actually going on. This guy gets it. Thank you for writing the novel I no longer have to. The 1/2 ton truck you remember from the 1980's wouldn't be rated a 1/2 ton in today's world under J2807. A great example is the Lexus LX570. In 2009 it was rated to tow 8,500lbs. In 2010, it was rated to tow 7,000#. Nothing changed on the vehicle between those model years. What changed? Lexus started rating vehicles towing capability according to SAE J2807 in 2010. Even early 2000's 3/4 ton and 1-ton trucks are far removed from the 2010+ versions. Often the toughest things to pass on J2807 are cooling and braking. So the radiator gets bigger, which leads to all the downstream effects above. Same with brakes, now the wheels are bigger to accommodate bigger brakes to get that tow rating. Going from 17" to 20" minimum wheel size has impacts on tire selection, and that big of an increase in wheel size is best handled with an increase in tire size as well, as it's hard to get tires that ride well AND can tow heavy loads without having some additional sidewall to work with. Now you've got 33-34" tires on 20" wheels. And so on and so on. Comparing that 1980's Toyota to today's Tundra is comparing apples to rocketships. And I'm not even a fan of the Tundra. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:58:24 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The author isn't wrong about the styling. Nearly every truck has a "big angry dick gon' fuck you up!" front end anymore, all are comically big for what they're doing (even 'compact' pickups are what full sizes used to be, and rapidly swell to bloated full size after a couple model year changes). And of course everything is lifted, every last model, even though nearly all are 2WD. A Chevy 2500 used to be considered a big truck --not huge, but big. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2001-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-3_jpg-1866599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482171/2021ChevroletSilverado2500HD-exterior-02-1866598.JPG Why the fuck is the hood higher than the bed? Why is the front end flat? Why is there a sharp corner at the front of the hood? How much fucking plastic is there around the engine bay? Everything but the fenders is molded vinyl, anymore. Don't get me started on how retarded the interiors have become, in order to cater to lardasses --why else would you want, let alone need, a dinner table for a center console? Federal pedestrian safety requirements have driven most if not all of the changes you mention that every manufacturer has had to put into today's trucks. And you see the same sorts of changes in new cars as well. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 5:14:28 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *laughs in daily driving a 7000+lb PowerWagon* https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50647213812_cbc8085e55_b.jpgCF4B9EFC-3500-48D7-B966-2CDC074B7E71_1_201_a by Austin Scott, on Flickr Nice color A white power....wagon. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 6:10:33 PM EST
[#50]
This dumb broad of a Bloomberg writer trashes the size of the grilles on newer pickumup trucks. Those angry, intimidating dimensions were dictated by NHTSA as pedestrian surviveability crash requirements!
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