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Link Posted: 3/5/2013 1:37:54 PM EST
[#1]
I kept asking how this statement is any different from the last and the Magpul moderators had me banned from their subforum. So don't ask Magpul questions they don't like. So, fuck you, Magpul. You lost a customer for life.

And arfcom, I'm disappointed in you.
Link Posted: 3/5/2013 2:31:16 PM EST
[#2]
This thread is excellent. I am finding the right companies to buy from, but this will be hell on my wallet

Link Posted: 3/5/2013 5:33:59 PM EST
[#3]
Thank you Infinite Grim!!!!!  It deserves the sticky, for sure.
Link Posted: 3/5/2013 5:37:33 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG


What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book.

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They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them.


How exactly are they going to enforce this "promise" they are going to require?  Do they think an anti-gun police chief or sheriff won't just check the box and get their mags anyway?  Regardless, even if they found a way to ensure only pro-2A LEO's could purchase, they are still giving preferential treatment to one class of citizens over another, which they claim to oppose.

ETA: Which is in contradiction to the principle in the OP of this thread.

Apply any restrictions placed upon civilians, to all who reside in the state. Applying these laws to state and local agencies, and their agents. No exemptions for anyone. (Obviously still selling to military)

Magpul should not be on this list, or should at least have an asterisk that their ban is only temporary.


As of now their policy meshes with our list.  When they are able to form and implement a solid plan then we will have to re-evaluate how we feel about their policy.  Leave the future to them, but as of now they are making the right plays
Link Posted: 3/5/2013 9:54:36 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG


What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book.

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They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them.


How exactly are they going to enforce this "promise" they are going to require?  Do they think an anti-gun police chief or sheriff won't just check the box and get their mags anyway?  Regardless, even if they found a way to ensure only pro-2A LEO's could purchase, they are still giving preferential treatment to one class of citizens over another, which they claim to oppose.

ETA: Which is in contradiction to the principle in the OP of this thread.

Apply any restrictions placed upon civilians, to all who reside in the state. Applying these laws to state and local agencies, and their agents. No exemptions for anyone. (Obviously still selling to military)

Magpul should not be on this list, or should at least have an asterisk that their ban is only temporary.


As of now their policy meshes with our list.  When they are able to form and implement a solid plan then we will have to re-evaluate how we feel about their policy.  Leave the future to them, but as of now they are making the right plays

Your opinion is not shared by all in the group.
Link Posted: 3/6/2013 5:28:41 AM EST
[#6]
How much do you ask of one particular company?  They have already made a strong statement for our 2A rights.   How many other companies have threatened to move their entire operation (consider the very significant costs involved with that) to another state?   Don't you think maybe there should be just a little flexibility here?
Link Posted: 3/6/2013 10:25:24 AM EST
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How much do you ask of one particular company?  They have already made a strong statement for our 2A rights.   How many other companies have threatened to move their entire operation (consider the very significant costs involved with that) to another state?   Don't you think maybe there should be just a little flexibility here?


There's not a lot of flexibility with a boycott. Either companies choose not to do business with ban states and put the legislators of those states on notice that their policies are foolish and harmful, or... Not.

Magpul is trying to have it both ways, and have admitted they plan to continue selling to ban states in the future, so they should not be listed alongside LaRue and BCM and others who drew their line in the sand.



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Link Posted: 3/6/2013 4:23:48 PM EST
[#8]
LOL, heard from a friend in the know, and the "bancott" is making waves in DC.  Seems a few policymakers are scared poopless that federal LE agencies will be cut off, and they are not at all happy about it.  They do not like the thought of the citizens having access to more and/or better arms than the government agencies.  Apparently that's why the whole gun control focus has shifted at the federal level from banning guns, certain mags, etc. over to universal background checks and increased penalties for straw buyers (S.54).
Link Posted: 3/6/2013 5:44:50 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG


What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them.


How exactly are they going to enforce this "promise" they are going to require?  Do they think an anti-gun police chief or sheriff won't just check the box and get their mags anyway?  Regardless, even if they found a way to ensure only pro-2A LEO's could purchase, they are still giving preferential treatment to one class of citizens over another, which they claim to oppose.

ETA: Which is in contradiction to the principle in the OP of this thread.

Apply any restrictions placed upon civilians, to all who reside in the state. Applying these laws to state and local agencies, and their agents. No exemptions for anyone. (Obviously still selling to military)

Magpul should not be on this list, or should at least have an asterisk that their ban is only temporary.


As of now their policy meshes with our list.  When they are able to form and implement a solid plan then we will have to re-evaluate how we feel about their policy.  Leave the future to them, but as of now they are making the right plays


Why dont you start a poll find out how people really feel on this issue? Or is it that you dont care what everyone else thinks?
Link Posted: 3/6/2013 5:47:01 PM EST
[#10]
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LOL, heard from a friend in the know, and the "bancott" is making waves in DC.  Seems a few policymakers are scared poopless that federal LE agencies will be cut off, and they are not at all happy about it.  They do not like the thought of the citizens having access to more and/or better arms than the government agencies.  Apparently that's why the whole gun control focus has shifted at the federal level from banning guns, certain mags, etc. over to universal background checks and increased penalties for straw buyers (S.54).

Names? Or it didnt happen.
Link Posted: 3/7/2013 4:39:50 AM EST
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LOL, heard from a friend in the know, and the "bancott" is making waves in DC.  Seems a few policymakers are scared poopless that federal LE agencies will be cut off, and they are not at all happy about it.  They do not like the thought of the citizens having access to more and/or better arms than the government agencies.  Apparently that's why the whole gun control focus has shifted at the federal level from banning guns, certain mags, etc. over to universal background checks and increased penalties for straw buyers (S.54).

Names? Or it didnt happen.


If bubbles posted that the sun fell out of the sky I would believe it and not go check.
Link Posted: 3/7/2013 6:37:35 AM EST
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The list should be a lot longer.

Not faulting the OP/list keeper, I'm faulting the weak kneed companies that won't make a stand.

A sincere thank you to those companies that are listed.  THANK YOU!!!  I will only buy from companies on this list.  If it costs more, if I wait longer, no matter what this list gets ALL of my firearm business.
Link Posted: 3/7/2013 6:47:23 AM EST
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LOL, heard from a friend in the know, and the "bancott" is making waves in DC.  Seems a few policymakers are scared poopless that federal LE agencies will be cut off, and they are not at all happy about it.  They do not like the thought of the citizens having access to more and/or better arms than the government agencies.  Apparently that's why the whole gun control focus has shifted at the federal level from banning guns, certain mags, etc. over to universal background checks and increased penalties for straw buyers (S.54).


These boycotts do make a difference, my hat is off to all the companies who have made strong statements in support of the 2A, they have not gone unnoticed.
Link Posted: 3/7/2013 11:17:34 AM EST
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LOL, heard from a friend in the know, and the "bancott" is making waves in DC.  Seems a few policymakers are scared poopless that federal LE agencies will be cut off, and they are not at all happy about it.  They do not like the thought of the citizens having access to more and/or better arms than the government agencies.  Apparently that's why the whole gun control focus has shifted at the federal level from banning guns, certain mags, etc. over to universal background checks and increased penalties for straw buyers (S.54).


You do realize the US Govt would just manufacture their own mags and weapons right?  True they would not have great selection but they wouldn't care.
Link Posted: 3/8/2013 3:38:59 PM EST
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118 companies on this list:

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

I see AeroPrecision has joined.
Link Posted: 3/8/2013 3:40:32 PM EST
[#16]
I called Springfield LE division today.  Got voicemail, but I left a message and asked them to call me back.  I want to ask them (in a very nice way) what their stance is on the boycottt.

If anyone that calls can post up here, that would be great.  Let us know you are helping to put some pressure on the big guys to join.
Link Posted: 3/8/2013 3:46:18 PM EST
[#17]
How do I make my link 'hot'?

Also, why can't I subscribe to this thread?  There is no button at the top to hit.

Can anyone help??
Link Posted: 3/9/2013 6:05:12 AM EST
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How do I make my link 'hot'?

Also, why can't I subscribe to this thread?  There is no button at the top to hit.

Can anyone help??


Here ya go.  To make a hot link you need to click the box below the area where you enter your text.  It's the one with the globe (next to the envelope on far right).  It will pop up and ask for a title.  Just hit ok and it will take you to the next option where you enter the link.

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/
Link Posted: 3/9/2013 2:15:50 PM EST
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http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

Didn't work for me.  I got a message about scripted windows.  I allowed the scripted window, but it didn't do anything else.

(I did click on the globe... that's when I got the scripted window message.)



Link Posted: 3/9/2013 2:24:56 PM EST
[#20]
hmmm....I'm not a techie so I'm not sure what the deal is.  Are you using Internet Explorer by chance?
Link Posted: 3/12/2013 6:27:48 AM EST
[#21]
http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

http://
Link Posted: 3/12/2013 6:28:21 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2013 6:29:24 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2013 6:31:51 AM EST
[#24]
Finally got it to work.  Thanks for the advice.

Looks like the list is up to 130 companies now.  But still none of the big names.  Keep emailing and calling them.  We need just one of the large guys to commit.  Then I think most of the other large companies would join.
Link Posted: 3/14/2013 2:05:50 PM EST
[#25]
Couple more hunting shows doing this and maybe it'll have a real sobering effect.

Outdoor Channel is boycotting

Outdoor Channel Blacklists Colorado Over Gun Control Laws

Now, the Outdoor Channel, a very popular cable network for hunters, fishermen and outdoors type people, has notified the Colorado Senate Republican Caucus that they are prepared to pull all of their productions out of the state if the anti-gun laws are passed.
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“This morning I met with my three Producers, and we made the decision that if these antigun bills become law, we will be moving all of our production OUT of Colorado. We have already cancelled a scheduled filming session for late this month. Obviously, part of this is due to our own commitment to the right to keep and bear arms, but it also reflects 3 lawyers’ opinions that these laws are so poorly drafted and so designed to trap otherwise legal citizens into a crime (one of our attorneys referred to them as “flypaper laws”) that it is simply too dangerous for us to film here.”

“I can give you chapter and verse on the legal implications if you need, but suffice to say that the first legal opinion was so scary we went out and got two others. Al three attorneys agreed.”

“We are relatively small potatoes in television, but our relocation of production will cost Colorado a little less than a million dollars in 2013.”

“Secondly, we have proudly promoted Colorado in our productions (and have been moving more and more production into the state); now we will do exactly the opposite. What does this mean for Colorado? The community of television producers is a small one. Last week I had lunch with a major network producer who was looking to locate his new reality series in Colorado. That producer is also a shooter, and the new reality series will now be based out of Phoenix. That lunch cost Colorado over a million in economic impact."

Rest at link.
Link Posted: 3/14/2013 2:37:49 PM EST
[#26]
Primary Arms Added
Link Posted: 3/14/2013 4:37:53 PM EST
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Primary Arms Added


thanks
Link Posted: 3/15/2013 6:02:43 AM EST
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You do realize the US Govt would just manufacture their own mags and weapons right?  True they would not have great selection but they wouldn't care.

Yeah, if it was 1947.   To say the U.S. Govt is capable of manufacturing a paperclip these days is a stretch.  And even if they could, it'd take them twenty-seven years to set up shop, and each mag would cost $2,587.

The only reason they wouldn't care is if a current manufacturer didn't stop providing.  But if all the standard mag producers pulled the plug... they'd care.
Link Posted: 3/15/2013 9:27:59 PM EST
[#29]
If we could add Brownells it would be huge .

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Link Posted: 3/19/2013 10:15:22 AM EST
[#30]
Serbu firearms joined per NC Gun Blog.

Though I'm highly suspect because the reply wasn't "go fuck yourself." Mark must of hired someone that is domesticated
Link Posted: 3/21/2013 5:18:12 AM EST
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Serbu firearms joined per NC Gun Blog.

Though I'm highly suspect because the reply wasn't "go fuck yourself." Mark must of hired someone that is domesticated


http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1458546_New_NYPD_50_cal_____DENIED.html
Link Posted: 3/21/2013 5:48:14 AM EST
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Serbu firearms joined per NC Gun Blog.



Though I'm highly suspect because the reply wasn't "go fuck yourself." Mark must of hired someone that is domesticated




http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1458546_New_NYPD_50_cal_____DENIED.html


Link was bad for me, it could be on my end though



 
Link Posted: 3/21/2013 6:23:33 AM EST
[#33]
Just added Serbu...


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From Serbu Firearms Inc. FaceBook page:





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XXXX,
Yes, I got the message and tried to return the call but got no answer. I appreciate your interest in our BFG-50A; I'm sure it would be an excellent addition to your department's arsenal. Unfortunately, we have a policy of selling to state law enforcement agencies only what is allowed to be sold to private citizens in that state. Since the passage of the NY SAFE act, the BFG-50A is considered an assault weapon and as such is no longer available to private citizens in the state of New York. Therefore we have to respectfully decline to supply your department with BFG-50A rifles.

Regards,
Mark Serbu

On 03/18/2013 01:24 PM, XXXXXXXX wrote:
> Mr. Serbu,
>
> My name is XXXXXXXX. I am assigned to the NYPD Firearms and Tactics Section. I have been directed to research a new semi-automatic .50 caliber platform for my department.
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> Two weeks ago I spoke to Deanne at your office regarding the possibility of obtaining one of your rifles for test and evaluation.
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> If you would please get back to me either way regarding this proposal I would appreciate it.
>
> XXXXXXXX
> NYPD-FTS


Link Posted: 3/22/2013 5:47:24 AM EST
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You do realize the US Govt would just manufacture their own mags and weapons right?  True they would not have great selection but they wouldn't care.

Yeah, if it was 1947.   To say the U.S. Govt is capable of manufacturing a paperclip these days is a stretch.  And even if they could, it'd take them twenty-seven years to set up shop, and each mag would cost $2,587.

The only reason they wouldn't care is if a current manufacturer didn't stop providing.  But if all the standard mag producers pulled the plug... they'd care.


The U.S. Government has never made anything.  At times of war and peace it has always been the common private company filling contracts.  Without GM, Ford, the common sewing company and many more companies nothing can be made.
Link Posted: 3/25/2013 8:29:05 AM EST
[#35]
Can we take Cheaper than Dirt of this list.... Have people already forgot what this company did after Sandy Hook?
The only reason they are joining this list is because they lost about half their business when they decided to support Obama and screw gun owners.

Link Posted: 3/26/2013 1:56:32 PM EST
[#36]
Thank you Mark Serbu.  I love that letter.  But I love iibdsiil's comment about Mark even more!  LMOA over that one.

Getting Marshall at Primary Arms was a big one.  Thanks Marshall.

So Brownells, what do we need to do to convince you?  Start sending all our orders to Midway??

We still need one of the big gun mfgs to step up.
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