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Posted: 2/27/2013 3:22:13 PM EST
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Have they and do they continue to sell and allow their distributors to sell to LEOs and departments in ban states? Yes or no. It's simple really.
There is a statement out there where they said they are moving whether there is a manufacturing clause or not. Richard Fitzpatrick, Founder, President, and CEO of Magpul Industries, said that regardless of any amendments that may be worked into the bill, he will no longer be able to continue to do business in Colorado if his core product is made illegal.
"Our company could not, in good conscience, continue to manufacture our products in a state where law-abiding citizens are prohibited from purchasing and owning them. ” ETA: Standard capacity Pmags are also banned for civilians in Denver and have been for years. The answer is yes, our Distributors are allowed to sell to LEOs in ban states. Our founder has also said regarding LEO restrictions, "We have not considered such a move as we are not convinced that this tactic will have any effect on those in power (they will just buy Israeli or some other generic parts). It also adversely punishes street cops, local sheriffs and individual military members for the actions of those in power. The last thing we want to do is hurt those who support our cause." So, we see that we can support Law Enforcement and Military members while standing up for our convictions and will continue to do everything in our power to protect our inherent rights. LEOs in ban states are not "supporting our cause", they have now been given the task of arresting Americans who are exercising their RKBA. In short, wrong fucking answer, dude 
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Posted: 2/27/2013 4:23:01 PM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 4:26:11 PM EST
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You guys really thought Magpul was on-board for this?
They are not even going to leave CO. Even funnier is you are all going to keep buying P-Mags anyway, and they know it.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 4:28:49 PM EST
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Damned disappointing.
http://www.refusetosell.org/magpul/ Hope you guys are using this site to email the unpledged manufacturers. |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 6:04:09 PM EST
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Are there any AR magazine manufacturers on the list? I looked the other day, but didn't recognize any.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 6:18:52 PM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way. Good thread 
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 6:36:38 PM EST
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You guys really thought Magpul was on-board for this? They are not even going to leave CO. Even funnier is you are all going to keep buying P-Mags anyway, and they know it. QFT and where's the danged 'Like' button? |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 6:56:28 PM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way. Good thread
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. If you refuse to buy from any company that sells to LE in banned states it will be a mighty short list if not blank |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 7:04:21 PM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way. Good thread
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. If you refuse to buy from any company that sells to LE in banned states it will be a mighty short list if not blank Blank? Really? 1.LaRue Tactical 2-8-13 2.Olympic Arms 2-12-13 3.Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old) 4.Templar Custom 2-13-13 5.York Arms 2-13-13 6.Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13 7.Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13 8.West Fork Armory 2-16-13 9.Smith Enterprise 2-17-13 10.Alex Arms 2-17-13 11.Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13 12.Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13 13.Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13 14.Doublestar Corp 2-19-13 (Includes J&T Distributing & Ace LTD) 15.American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!) 16.Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13) 17.Head Down Products 2-20-13 18.J&G Sales 2-20-13 19.Barrett Firearms 2-20-13 20.Exile Machine 2-20-13 21.Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13) 22.Bravo Company USA 2-20-13 23.Primary Weapons Systems 2-21-13 (read my blog post on PWS) 24.Crusader Weaponry 2-20-13 25.Top Gun Supply 2-21-13 26.Kiss Tactical 2-21-13 27.Clark Fork Tactical 2-21-13 28.OFA Tactical 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-21-13) 29.One Source Tactical 2-21-13 (Scroll down to shipping restrictions) 30.Templar Tactical Arms 2-12-13 (reported 2-21-13) 31.NEMO Arms 2-21-13 (check out their photo!) 32.Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-15-13 (NOT a typo!) 33.Big Horn Armory 2-22-13 34.Midway USA 2-22-13 35.CMMG Inc 2-22-13 36.Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13 37.Badger Peak 2-22-13 38.Controlled Chaos Arms 2-22-13 39.SRT Arms 2-22-13 40.Norton Firearms 2-22-13 41.Umlaut Industries 2-22-13 42.Predator Intelligence 2-2-13 (Read comments) 43.Citizen Arms 2-23-13 (At the bottom of the page) 44.Evolution Weaponry 2-17-13 45.Chaos Arms 2-23-13 46.Warbirds Custom Guns 2-23-13 (Scroll to the bottom) 47.JBTAC 2-23-13 48.Stoner Arms 2-22-13 49.Ammoclip (Date of policy unknown) 50.3 Rivers Precision 2-22-13 51.2A Firearms 2-22-13 52.Lanco Tactical 2-22-13 53.Predator Tactical 2-23-13 54.Arrowhead Shooting Sports 2-23-13 55.Boise Tactical 2-23-13 56.Huntertown Arms 2-23-13 57.Lauer Custom Weaponry 2-22-13 (PDF) (Makers of DuraCoat) 58.556 Tactical 2-23-13 59.Iron Goat Guns 2-16-13 60.Dead Bang Guns (Date of policy unknown) 61.Southern Appalachian Arms 2-15-13 62.Thunder Beast Arms (2-22-13) 63.Delmarva Shooting Supply 2-23-13 64.OJ’s Gun Shop 2-23-13 65.OCS Guns 2-23-13 66.Progressive Micro Devices (Special case, read my post) 67.Semper Fi Arms 2-22-13 68.Climags (Unknown date. Scroll to “Why was my order cancelled?”) 69.Southwest Shooting Authority 2-8-13 70.Csspecs Magazines 2-24-13 71.MFI 2-25-13 72.Critical Survival 2-24-13 73.DogLeg Arms 2-25-13 74.Victory Defense Consulting 2-25-13 75.GWACS Armory 2-24-13 76.Allegiance Ammunition 2-22-13 77.2A Armament 2-22-13 78.Daniel Byer FFL 2-24-13 79.Black Mountain Survival 2-25-13 80.Hill Country Black Rifles 2-25-13 81.Big Sky Ammunition 1-1-13 82.Allstar Tactical 2-25-13 83.Precision Firearms 2-25-13 84.Alpine Guns 2-25-13 85.Umbrella Corp 2-25-13 86.Bison Armory 2-25-13 87.3RI Technologies 2-25-13 88.The Tactical Toolbox 2-25-13 89.JCW Industries (Unknown) 90.Volquartsen Custom (Unknown) 91.Paige Firearms 2-25-13 92.Franklin Armory 2-22-13 93.West Michigan Tactical 2-26-13 94.West Acre Sporting Goods 2-26-13 95.Shade’s Landing 2-14-13 96.GunUp 2-27-13 97.RL Hydro-Graphix 2-27-13 98.Jeremy Kupper’s Gunsmithing 2-26-13 99.Hansohn Brothers 2-27-13 100.Deep South Ammo 2-27-13 |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 8:04:40 PM EST
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Bummed to read that response from Magpul. Oh well, I'm done buying any of their stuff from now on.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:04:35 PM EST
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Thanks for that LionHart.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 2:20:40 AM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way. Good thread
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. If you refuse to buy from any company that sells to LE in banned states it will be a mighty short list if not blank Blank? Really? 1.LaRue Tactical 2-8-13 Larue sells Magpul so he wont buy from them. I would bet that every company on your list sells magpul or one of the other "evil" companies products. So yeah Blank |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 7:11:12 AM EST
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Dear Magpul Gutless Executives, kindly go fuck yourselves. You can't have it all your way. Good thread
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. If you refuse to buy from any company that sells to LE in banned states it will be a mighty short list if not blank Blank? Really? 1.LaRue Tactical 2-8-13 Larue sells Magpul so he wont buy from them. I would bet that every company on your list sells magpul or one of the other "evil" companies products. So yeah Blank Would you mind clarifying that. I don't follow what you're saying. |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 7:13:14 AM EST
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http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/
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Posted: 2/28/2013 10:53:06 AM EST
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Wilson Combat
Wilson Combat Announces Anti-Gun States, No-Sale Policy Effective: February 28, 2013 Wilson Combat will no longer provide any products or services to any State Government imposing legislation that infringes on the second amendment rights of its law abiding citizens. This includes any Law Enforcement Department, Law Enforcement Officers, or any State Government Entity or Employee of such an entity. This also applies to any local municipality imposing such infringements. States currently included in our No-Sale Policy are:
Wilson Combat will in NO way support the government of these states or their anti-gun agenda that only limits the rights of law-abiding citizens. Wilson Combat will continue to supply any product and/or service they can legally sell in these states to all non-government affiliated citizens. Ryan Wilson, Vice President |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:52:46 AM EST
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Quoted: Larue sells Magpul so he wont buy from them. I would bet that every company on your list sells magpul or one of the other "evil" companies products. So yeah Blank If anything people may start buying his UDE Pmags because they are made exclusively for him. That means that UDE Pmags will never be sold to ban states. |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 1:44:32 PM EST
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Wilson combat added.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:08:45 PM EST
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from their facebook post .
Red Jacket Firearms - Mark H. First of all I suggest you school yourself in what is legal in illegal. Mortors, RPG's, Cannons, etc are governed by the National Firearms Act of 1934. ( I would assume someone who claims to fight for the Constitution would have made themselves aware of this travesty against the American people) That being said it is legal in most states for law abiding Americans to own fully automatic firearms, short barreled shotguns, suppressors, cannons, tanks, etc. The Presidents limo cannot be penetrated by a 50 BMG round. Any ten year old that watched the Histroy Channel knows this. It also cannot penetrate current armored vehicles. Maybe a older Bradley. A single 50 caliber round taking down an airplane is absurd. We both know this. Do not act like they taught you that in the U.S Military. They did not. Maybe a bird on a runway, but any rifle can do that. Also, frankly sir, your opinion does not matter. Hunting has zero to do with the 2nd Amendment. Being a Sportsman also has nothing to do with the 2nd. It has everything to do with Freedom. Why would any reasonable person question a law abiding citizens right to purchase anything they so choose? Also we do produce a 50 BMG rifle in limited numbers and we stand with Barrett Firearms 100%. You should probably as a student of law go back and read what our founding fathers based this country upon. It was not about duck hunting. |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 5:27:33 PM EST
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Posted: 2/28/2013 5:45:08 PM EST
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This might be the most useful thread in the history of ARFcom.
The 2nd Amendment is on the line. You either support it, or you do the end around and sell only to *more equal* people. Unintended consequences are an interesting thing. Nobody can predict them. In this particular case, it has defined with crystal clarity those who value and understand the 2nd Amendment, and those who will sell it out for a quick profit. In a world glutted with doublespeak, this is refreshing. 
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Posted: 2/28/2013 5:49:34 PM EST
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Red Jacket, added!
I will try to go through the whole police loophole list and see what companies actually belong, but it will take some time. |
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:36:17 PM EST
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Would you mind clarifying that. I don't follow what you're saying. He said he would not buy from anyone who even sold the bad companies products. So anyone who even sells magpul for instance he will not buy from. Quoted:
Now I know who NOT to do business with any longer, to include those companies that also sell their products. |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 3:17:01 AM EST
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To say that I'm disappointed with Magpul is an understatement. Now if other manufacturers & retailers on the loophole list would stand up to Magpul and stop carrying their products then that would send a pretty big message. Next would be manufacturers that uses their parts for "MOE" builds and such.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 3:28:05 AM EST
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That is just beautiful! |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 8:03:54 AM EST
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Has anyone heard Daniel Defense's stance?
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Posted: 3/1/2013 10:24:15 AM EST
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This might be the most useful thread in the history of ARFcom. The 2nd Amendment is on the line. You either support it, or you do the end around and sell only to *more equal* people. Unintended consequences are an interesting thing. Nobody can predict them. In this particular case, it has defined with crystal clarity those who value and understand the 2nd Amendment, and those who will sell it out for a quick profit. In a world glutted with doublespeak, this is refreshing. http://openclear.com.au/openclear_files/Clarity_dark.png Agreed. Then why can't we get a sticky?? It isn't just the gun mfgs. that need to give up something in support of our 2A rights!!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:16:17 AM EST
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Has anyone heard Daniel Defense's stance? I emailed them but no response. |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 3:29:32 PM EST
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Surprised it hasn't been posted yet, but MagPul released an updated statement stating that they are now suspending all LE sales to ban states. Not sure if that satisfies anyone who didn't like the initial company reaction.
REGARDING LEO SALES March 1st, 2013 Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession. The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state. With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens. Richard Fitzpatrick President/CEO - Founder Magpul Industries |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 3:33:50 PM EST
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ON THE LIST.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 3:53:14 PM EST
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ON THE LIST. BRAVO On the list, but barely. All a ban-state LEO would have to is "yeah, whatever, check the square." Civilians in those states don't get that option, but Magpul's actions DO project and support our message. While I am not completely satisfied, I am very happy at the news. I don't see ANY other magazine manufacturer on the list yet other than Magpul. Not that I recognize at least. Thank you Magpul!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 4:22:11 PM EST
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Thank you Magpul.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 4:23:42 PM EST
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The post above lists 100 companies now signed on. But there are less than half that on the list on page 1.
The policeloophole.com page seems to have deleted their list. What's up with that?? |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 4:30:18 PM EST
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Before I ruin our list by adding wrong people in, can anyone find the standards that website uses to add people to the list? They have PWS on their list,and they DO NOT fit by out standards-----They have the same stance as Armalite. We will not support agencies that wish to weaken or destroy the rights we are granted from the 2nd Amendment, but we will do everything we can to support the ones that will stand and fight with us to ensure our freedoms remain. THAT is the stance of PWS.
Nor does Rock River Arms, their statement only says they are suspending shipments to NY until they can figure out what exactly the NY SAFE act does. |
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Posted: 3/1/2013 4:45:26 PM EST
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^^^PWS seems to have the same position Magpul does.... Jus sayin...
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Posted: 3/1/2013 6:00:31 PM EST
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Thank you Magpul.
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Posted: 3/2/2013 7:20:47 AM EST
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Go Magpul. Right back at the top of my "to buy from list".
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Posted: 3/3/2013 11:26:38 AM EST
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Surprised it hasn't been posted yet, but MagPul released an updated statement stating that they are now suspending all LE sales to ban states. Not sure if that satisfies anyone who didn't like the initial company reaction. REGARDING LEO SALES March 1st, 2013 Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession. The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state. With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens. Richard Fitzpatrick President/CEO - Founder Magpul Industries That's not good enough. They are still going to sell to ban states, just with a checkbox that LE can check to say "we promise to uphold the Constitution" then merrily place their orders and go on enforcing whatever laws they wish. This is nothing but a red herring to stop the backlash until the public forgets about the issue while they make no policy changes at all. For anyone saying I'm a hater, read that statement honestly and tell me where I'm wrong. There's a lot of Magpul stuff I want to buy but this evasion does not get them off the hook. |
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Posted: 3/4/2013 6:56:44 AM EST
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http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/
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Posted: 3/4/2013 7:02:14 AM EST
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Can we get a sticky?
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Posted: 3/4/2013 7:03:07 AM EST
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A sticky on this thread sure would help.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 7:09:38 AM EST
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It took all of five minutes for this to drop to the second page. If this is not worthy of a sticky, I'm not sure what would be.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 8:28:19 AM EST
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It took all of five minutes for this to drop to the second page. If this is not worthy of a sticky, I'm not sure what would be. I am guessing the reason it is not a sticky is because there is a lot of "screw company X for not participating." I don't think site staff wants to look like they support any type of boycots or backlash to those companies. Not that I would agree with it, it's just my hunch. |
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Posted: 3/4/2013 10:03:39 AM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG
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Posted: 3/4/2013 10:24:45 AM EST
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It's not a list of companies that we are boycotting, It is a list of companies that are boycotting states that do not support our rights. It's not a 'bad' list. It's a 'good' list.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 12:10:39 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/4/2013 12:13:15 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them. |
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Posted: 3/4/2013 5:29:11 PM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them. I'm okay with them stopping sales and glad they did. For the time being I will give them the benefit of doubt and continue to support them. Once they resume sales I will re-evaluate my position. |
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Posted: 3/5/2013 2:25:43 AM EST
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Sticky please.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 10:43:40 AM EST
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Sticky please. It finally happened! 
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Posted: 3/5/2013 11:19:52 AM EST
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Whew, glad I read that latest response from Magpul, almost cancelled my order from DSG What exactly about their statement changed your mind? They will still be selling to ban states so I don't understand why they are suddenly okay in everyone's book. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are not currently selling to ban states. Once they find a way to identify the good LEO from the bad, then they will resume sales to them. How exactly are they going to enforce this "promise" they are going to require? Do they think an anti-gun police chief or sheriff won't just check the box and get their mags anyway? Regardless, even if they found a way to ensure only pro-2A LEO's could purchase, they are still giving preferential treatment to one class of citizens over another, which they claim to oppose. ETA: Which is in contradiction to the principle in the OP of this thread. Apply any restrictions placed upon civilians, to all who reside in the state. Applying these laws to state and local agencies, and their agents. No exemptions for anyone. (Obviously still selling to military) Magpul should not be on this list, or should at least have an asterisk that their ban is only temporary. |
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